Summer 2024 Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome

[Hapag Lloyd]

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Bayern in for Trafford

[Goliath]

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Bayern in for Trafford

Unbelievable. He must be incredible in training.

[wilks_bfc]

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Bayern in for Trafford

“New manager linked to former player”
The epitome of “lazy journalism”

[NewClaret]

“New manager linked to former player”
The epitome of “lazy journalism”

Might be something in this one though. Neuer 38 and we know Kompany rates Trafford highly.

[bobinho]

“New manager linked to former player”
The epitome of “lazy journalism”

Bit like when Josh Cullen was linked to us perhaps?

[blatherwickstattoos]

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Bayern in for Trafford

40 million he’s yours Bayern.

[TheFamilyCat]

40 million he’s yours Bayern.

I hope we insist on a "must start 75% of games" clause.

[IanMcL]

Signed for '£19m' and Club looking for £20m, doesn't sound at all right, for such a wanted keeper!

[123EasyasBFC]

Signed for '£19m' and Club looking for £20m, doesn't sound at all right, for such a wanted keeper!

We didn’t spend 19m on him

[Steddyman]

40 million he’s yours Bayern.

5 million, he's yours Bayern

[Hedontplayforyou]

Not a chance we spent £19m on him .

Chelsea
Liverpool
Newcastle
Bayern Munich

All linked , albeit no clue as to how reliable, but looks more and more like he’s going to be one of our big sales this summer which doesn’t bother me as I’d like Muric to be our keeper this season.

Who will be the others to generate decent sums?

Odobert probably, maybe Amdouni and Esteve .

[bobinho]

Amdouni?

If he didn’t play for us, but you’d watched him this season, how much would you be happy for us to pay for him?

[Hedontplayforyou]

Clearly highly rated before his arrival. The entire team was underperforming last season. If he can show some ability in the euros then why not?

If one season doesn’t make the manager “VK” then the same applies for the players . Amdouni certainly has a lot of ability .

[ClaretAL]

Sander, Brownhill,

[BigGaz]

No doubt Amdouni has ability, but he looks like he has a discarded tampon where his heart should be beating and I'm not sure there's any amount of training that fixes that. You've either got the dog in you or you don't.

If Ashley Barnes is willing to swap him his then he'd be the next one getting made up links to Chelsea and Bayern

[Andingle]

I can see Trafford, Berge , Odobert & Esteve all leaving for decent money this summer.
Could see interest in Amdouni as with Weghorst, some players are more suited to German ,Turkish Football so maybe interest from teams in those country's.

[AGENT_CLARET]

We didn’t spend 19m on him

With certain triggers we potentially did

[AGENT_CLARET]

If Chelsea, Liverpool, Newcastle and Bayern Munich are chasing him then he's the £100m player Kompany was banging on about

[Goobs]

Best hope City get in quick a trigger the 42m buy back or whatever it was. No sell on fee then either

[boyyanno]

I suspect we have/will pay close to the 19m for Trafford.

You'd assume any add ons would relate to game time, possible England call-ups, and the one which may not have been triggered may be staying up. But if it was 14-15m plus add ons it's likely some of those have been triggered.

You'd also assume City may have a percentage for profit on any deal- admittedly it will be minimal.

I still wouldn't see it as bad business if we get our money back but again if true it's showing we've not got the model right. In this scenario we may get bitten twice- played Trafford at cost to our season to develop him and got relegated. And as a result sold Trafford cheap so his development hasn't even benefitted us.

[NewClaret]

I suspect we have/will pay close to the 19m for Trafford.

You'd assume any add ons would relate to game time, possible England call-ups, and the one which may not have been triggered may be staying up. But if it was 14-15m plus add ons it's likely some of those have been triggered.

You'd also assume City may have a percentage for profit on any deal- admittedly it will be minimal.

I still wouldn't see it as bad business if we get our money back but again if true it's showing we've not got the model right. In this scenario we may get bitten twice- played Trafford at cost to our season to develop him and got relegated. And as a result sold Trafford cheap so his development hasn't even benefitted us.

I agree that some of the criteria may’ve been triggered.

I suspect any performance instalment was triggered by the 75% rumours, which he didn’t.

I think we have got the model wrong whichever way you look at it because if you get relegated you lose more than you’ll ever profit on players. Plus you profit less. Thats not to say with some refinement it won’t work.

But on Trafford I think the club will hold out for a decent profit precisely because they won’t be able to stomach the whole pain for no gain thing. I think they’ll expect and most likely get a return if the rumours of all the interested clubs are true.

[NewClaret]

Best hope City get in quick a trigger the 42m buy back or whatever it was. No sell on fee then either

£57m I read!

[jojomk1]

Best hope City get in quick a trigger the 42m buy back or whatever it was. No sell on fee then either

This

Whatever we may eventually get factor in any sell on fee due to City before we look to make any profit

[gandhisflipflop]

It wouldn’t shock me if part of the deal is actually that they work with what they’re given.

I’m not as convinced as others that Kompany were the only voice behind all our signings. I think the club will’ve developed a recruitment model that they’re quite happy with (despite relegation) and probably a plan for this summer that they expect to enact regardless of manager.

That would make more sense, but I’m still uncomfortable with players being signed without the input of the manager .

[Newcastleclaret93]

It wouldn’t shock me if part of the deal is actually that they work with what they’re given.

I’m not as convinced as others that Kompany were the only voice behind all our signings. I think the club will’ve developed a recruitment model that they’re quite happy with (despite relegation) and probably a plan for this summer that they expect to enact regardless of manager.

I doubt VK was the only voice but I think it’s quite clear he was in total control of signings and everything went through him.

So I would find it strange right now if any incomings or outgoing would happen with no manager in place.

Unless they have decided to give Bellamy temporary control (which again would seem very unlikely)

[Cirrus_Minor]

Top clubs clamouring for Trafford and possibly Amdouni with Bayern swooping for Kompany makes me feel like I have somehow slipped into an alternative universe.

[Woodleyclaret]

Amdouni is a Swiss international and a very good player.Our issue was playing him without a target man to win the high balls knocking them down
I think he shows skills similar to Vydra who also got a dogs abuse from certain sections of the crowd.

[CoolClaret]

Amdouni is a Swiss international and a very good player.Our issue was playing him without a target man to win the high balls knocking them down
I think he shows skills similar to Vydra who also got a dogs abuse from certain sections of the crowd.

The fact that we went down to 10 men multiple times, benched Amdouni and ended up playing better without him speaks volumes.

Of course he's talented but he's not a PL player. He can't force his way into a game.

[Goliath]

Amdouni is a Swiss international and a very good player.Our issue was playing him without a target man to win the high balls knocking them down
I think he shows skills similar to Vydra who also got a dogs abuse from certain sections of the crowd.

He played with Rodriguez, Foster and probably Fofana as well as playing a false 9 role and from the left.
He was crap in all of them.

Ps when did Vydra get dogs abuse. He was a big fan favourite from what I remember

[Newcastleclaret93]

Amdouni is a Swiss international and a very good player.Our issue was playing him without a target man to win the high balls knocking them down
I think he shows skills similar to Vydra who also got a dogs abuse from certain sections of the crowd.

I think you’re confusing technical ability with being a good player.

Amdouni is a very good technical footballer, but mentality wise and physically he’s just knowhere near good enough for the premier league. Similar to Weghorst, anyone can see he has bags of ability but lacked the physical attributes and the mentality to be a success

[Darnhill Claret]

I would say that Weghorst didn't lack any part of the mentality required. Maybe he had too much self belief.

[Taffy on the wing]

Unbelievable. He must be incredible in training.

He never learns anything!.........Hilarious.
A bidding war would be nice.

[DCWat]

I would say that Weghorst didn't lack any part of the mentality required. Maybe he had too much self belief.

I don’t think that he was lacking physically, either.

[Holtyclaret]

Transfer window opens on 14th June

[NewClaret]

That would make more sense, but I’m still uncomfortable with players being signed without the input of the manager .

Here’s my thoughts on it:

I’ve always very much been of the view that the manager should pick all of the players and make all of the recruitment decisions. That’d be my natural position.

But that approach does have a couple of problems, which we’ve experienced recently.

1. The players the manager wants might not fit the financial model of the club (e.g. Dyche wanting experienced pro’s who ask for high wages and won’t accept salary reductions on relegation).

2. Your manager stays a few years and then leaves the moment a better offer comes in, leaving a squad bought by him. I think we’re far more likely to now have a higher turnover of managers than we are someone who stays 9 years, anyway. We’re not a club that can replace squads constantly.

It therefore sort of makes sense to a club like ours to adopt a model where we have a recruitment system/philosophy, call it what you will, that is explained to any incoming managers and they have to work around. Thats not to say they shouldn’t have a big input to it, or they can’t say “get me x player” every now and again but the broader recruitment approach is less dependent on one individual. Over time then the club get recognised for that rather than the manager.

[NewClaret]

I doubt VK was the only voice but I think it’s quite clear he was in total control of signings and everything went through him.

So I would find it strange right now if any incomings or outgoing would happen with no manager in place.

Unless they have decided to give Bellamy temporary control (which again would seem very unlikely)

I don’t think he was in total control, but definitely a heavy influence, yes.

Despite the relegation, I think ALK will be very happy with how we’ve recruited since Kompany joined. I think they’ll accept it failed at Premier League level and needed refining but overall I think they’ll have been pleased and will continue with it going forward.

I think a lot of work will have been done to identify targets for this window, particularly at LB where we’ve been trying to be active for two windows. So I don’t think they’ll just rip the plans up and ask a new manager who he wants to sign. I think they’ll carry on with it. Whether players are willing to commit absent a manager is a different question.

I just don’t see Alan saying “which LB would you like Frank*? Wayne Bridge, okay we’ll go and get him”. I think all recruitment will be grounded in data and analytics than it has been in the past, so unless Lamps* has been crunching the stats while unemployed, I doubt he’ll get very far with a wish list.

*Example manager

[Newcastleclaret93]

I don’t think he was in total control, but definitely a heavy influence, yes.

Despite the relegation, I think ALK will be very happy with how we’ve recruited since Kompany joined. I think they’ll accept it failed at Premier League level and needed refining but overall I think they’ll have been pleased and will continue with it going forward.

I think a lot of work will have been done to identify targets for this window, particularly at LB where we’ve been trying to be active for two windows. So I don’t think they’ll just rip the plans up and ask a new manager who he wants to sign. I think they’ll carry on with it. Whether players are willing to commit absent a manager is a different question.

I just don’t see Alan saying “which LB would you like Frank*? Wayne Bridge, okay we’ll go and get him”. I think all recruitment will be grounded in data and analytics than it has been in the past, so unless Lamps* has been crunching the stats while unemployed, I doubt he’ll get very far with a wish list.

*Example manager

I seriously doubt that if I’m honest.

Andy Jones has said VK had the keys to club and was the most influential person there. Add in the fact that the scouting system was VKs company and it all points to the fact that VK was in total control of transfers

[NewClaret]

I seriously doubt that if I’m honest.

Andy Jones has said VK had the keys to club and was the most influential person there. Add in the fact that the scouting system was VKs company and it all points to the fact that VK was in total control of transfers

Equally though:

- VK himself said that transfer strategy was set by the club.
- Matt Williams also said that he had to tell VK no on a number of transfers.
- Williams also said that the recruitment team were in looking at left backs the day after the transfer window closed (if VK just decided who to sign there would be no point).
-Pace has spoken in the past about the transfer committee set up to manage recruitment (accept that was pre Kompany).

I’m not saying he wasn’t highly influential in it all, of course he was, I just think it’s just totally wrong that he decided who he wanted and asked the club to go and get them. There will be a process used to identify the players and I don’t expect that will change.

Depending on how close we are to getting a new manager will depend on whether we just plough on or wait for his input to whatever plan we had for this year, but assuming we’re still a way away from that yet, I don’t expect we’ll just put the summer on hold.

Will be interesting to see whether we continue to work with MUD going forward. It being VK’s company doesn’t mean it’ll be used exclusively by him. I think we will, although maybe with some adjustments and refinement of criteria.

[ClaretInLeeds]

Andy Jones, the journo who gets all his information in the beer garden of the Royal Dyche?

[Quickenthetempo]

I think you’re confusing technical ability with being a good player.

Amdouni is a very good technical footballer, but mentality wise and physically he’s just knowhere near good enough for the premier league. Similar to Weghorst, anyone can see he has bags of ability but lacked the physical attributes and the mentality to be a success

Can you explain what you mean by his mentality not being anywhere near?

He coolly scored a late penalty for us at Old Trafford in front of the biggest crowd of our season.
So it can't be him wilting under pressure you are getting at.

[TsarBomba]

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Jacob Greaves linked.

Can’t see it.

[Hapag Lloyd]

https://x.com/secondtierpod/status/1798 ... Gkg4Pp-4vg

Jacob Greaves linked.

Can’t see it.

Left sided centre back, could be something in the Esteve rumours

[warksclaret]

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Jacob Greaves linked.

Can’t see it.

I mentioned him a few weeks ago, as one of the stand out centre halves in the Championship, and still young. Whilst we are blessed with CH's we could easily part with a number with no negative impact. Delcroix, and Al Dakhill could be sold off. Esteve is attracting interest from the PL, and there are question marks about Beyer wanting to go, plus he is very injury prone. Starting the new season with O Shea and Greaves would give us the start of a very strong spine

[NewClaret]

I mentioned him a few weeks ago, as one of the stand out centre halves in the Championship, and still young. Whilst we are blessed with CH's we could easily part with a number with no negative impact. Delcroix, and Al Dakhill could be sold off. Esteve is attracting interest from the PL, and there are question marks about Beyer wanting to go, plus he is very injury prone. Starting the new season with O Shea and Greaves would give us the start of a very strong spine

Don’t expect we’ll be getting rid of AAD, he is rated very highly I’m told. Delcroix you might expect to get moved on with Kompany leaving although he did have a few solid games in the prem.

On this Greaves chap I can’t say I watched a lot of him at Hull but did watch a video last week when he was mentioned and he does okay. His transfermarkt profile lists his other position as LB and on the 9 minute video I watched he seemed to be at left back a lot.

He looks very cumbersome running with the ball though. Like a big CB running at you, basically. And in defence he is very John Smiths ad, no nonsense, hoof it stuff. Doubt that’d have gone down so well Kompany.

Overall I can’t see much in it unless Esteve is leaving and would look a big downgrade at first glance. Do feel his height and presence at LB is what we should be looking for though.

[gandhisflipflop]

Here’s my thoughts on it:

I’ve always very much been of the view that the manager should pick all of the players and make all of the recruitment decisions. That’d be my natural position.

But that approach does have a couple of problems, which we’ve experienced recently.

1. The players the manager wants might not fit the financial model of the club (e.g. Dyche wanting experienced pro’s who ask for high wages and won’t accept salary reductions on relegation).

2. Your manager stays a few years and then leaves the moment a better offer comes in, leaving a squad bought by him. I think we’re far more likely to now have a higher turnover of managers than we are someone who stays 9 years, anyway. We’re not a club that can replace squads constantly.

It therefore sort of makes sense to a club like ours to adopt a model where we have a recruitment system/philosophy, call it what you will, that is explained to any incoming managers and they have to work around. Thats not to say they shouldn’t have a big input to it, or they can’t say “get me x player” every now and again but the broader recruitment approach is less dependent on one individual. Over time then the club get recognised for that rather than the manager.

Don’t get me wrong I completely understand why we would take that approach, I’m just a bit old school whereby I believe that successful clubs have always had the manager calling all the shots.

[NewClaret]

Don’t get me wrong I completely understand why we would take that approach, I’m just a bit old school whereby I believe that successful clubs have always had the manager calling all the shots.

I agree, I’ve always been very much in that camp and not really a fan of a DoF approach. Just feel this summer might be different, at least until the new manager has got his feet under the table.

[Swizzlestick]

Stuart Armstrong released by Southampton. 32 now but a bit of experience in CM? Always thought he was a decent player too. Lot of Saints fans surprised he didn’t get a deal.

[123EasyasBFC]

Stuart Armstrong released by Southampton. 32 now but a bit of experience in CM? Always thought he was a decent player too. Lot of Saints fans surprised he didn’t get a deal.

Would be the perfect signing to replace JBG who we should have kept

[claretspice]

Stuart Armstrong released by Southampton. 32 now but a bit of experience in CM? Always thought he was a decent player too. Lot of Saints fans surprised he didn’t get a deal.

Suspect he'll have better offers (e.g. Celtic) but yes, he'd be a good fit to add the sort of experience and drive we need in midfield - would be a natural replacement for Berge should he depart. Only issue, he's injury prone.

[Bordeauxclaret]

He’s played plenty of games over his time at Southampton.
45 last season.