Newcastle bid £15m for Trafford

[Darthlaw]

I don't think fans were singing songs in Traffords favour since around October.

The fans singing songs for your replacement is always going to be confidence enhancing though...

[randomclaret2]

A few over-reactions on a messageboard are a lot different to fans digging him out at the games. Personally thought in the main the fans were extremely patient with him, and the only frustrations were in not giving Muric a chance over hating on James Trafford. The fact the fans started singing songs in his favour to boost his confidence was pretty good tbh.

There cant be many groups of fans who would have been as patient with Trafford as ours were last season

[ClaretAL]

I’d be absolutely amazed if we got more than £7m for Muric, the most inconsistent erratic goalkeeper I have ever seen, I like his loose cannon energy when we’re winning but it’s hard to stomach watching him endlessly give the ball away and make brutal amateur mistakes when losing.

He needs moving on for me regardless of what we do with Trafford.

I presume the 8s on player scores must be idiots then including football pundits?

The truth is both are very good keepers but Trafford’s time came to soon to be consistently thrown in. I am fairly sure he will become a great keeper and just hope VK hanging him out to dry does not have a lasting effect on him.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

All this bluster could have been avoided if Trafford came in and played like the world beater that was predicted after his good performances at u21 level the summer he was bought.

The only time the results improved was when the second choice or lesser player in some peoples eyes came into the team. The keeper of the year in the division below, how bizarre when he is an “inferior” keeper that results improved so dramatically.

We went from conceeding 2.2 goals a game to just over one. But of course that was down to the defence

If Trafford came in and played a blinder there would have been no comments whatsoever and people would have been very happy to have unearthed a gem.


We can’t afraid to take £15-20m punts and that includes Tresor, Amdouni et al.

[123EasyasBFC]

I’d be absolutely amazed if we got more than £7m for Muric, the most inconsistent erratic goalkeeper I have ever seen, I like his loose cannon energy when we’re winning but it’s hard to stomach watching him endlessly give the ball away and make brutal amateur mistakes when losing.

He needs moving on for me regardless of what we do with Trafford.

This whole muric is erratic is such a myth, he’s by far one of the calmest players at the club. With all the highs of last season he always stayed so calm

[Poulton-le-Claret]

There cant be many groups of fans who would have been as patient with Trafford as ours were last season

I agree, I think inside the ground we are one of the more patient fan bases. I'd rather fans give JT a bit of a kicking on here to vent than on the Turf. I go to watch Blackpool every now and then with my father in-law and their fans start booing if they pass the ball backwards at 0-0

[bumba]

I’d be absolutely amazed if we got more than £7m for Muric, the most inconsistent erratic goalkeeper I have ever seen, I like his loose cannon energy when we’re winning but it’s hard to stomach watching him endlessly give the ball away and make brutal amateur mistakes when losing.

He needs moving on for me regardless of what we do with Trafford.

Thought you watched a lot of football?

[CoolClaret]

All we need is a manager that won't have the keeper taking 100 touches a game and asked to play out all the time. Pick and choose the moments a bit more and put his foot through it more often.

Muric was trying to get us going last season, the difference was staggering. Traff didn't have the stones to even attempt half the stuff he did so ended up standing/dawdling on the ball before either giving nothing passes to the centre half or putting someone else under pressure with a ponderous pass.

I think some people are forgetting some of the dross that was served up in in the first half of the season.

[KRBFC]

This whole muric is erratic is such a myth, he’s by far one of the calmest players at the club. With all the highs of last season he always stayed so calm

I don’t think I have ever seen such a brainless goalkeeper, he has talent too just one extreme to the other in moments. Make a great save one minute the next the ball is rolling under his foot and into his net.

There’s no consistency there with anything he does, that’s a major problem for a goalkeeper.

[Jamesy]

There cant be many groups of fans who would have been as patient with Trafford as ours were last season

This is exactly it. Our fans were remarkably patient at the actual matches. There was a slight bit of dissent just before he was dropped, with a few idiots chanting “Muric”. However, he certainly didn’t get the abuse that some on here are claiming happened.
I’m old but I’m not deaf yet and I hardly heard anything.
In my view Kompany got a relatively easy ride also. We could all see his failings and questionable tactics and decision making and he didn’t get much stick either.
When I think back to over fifty years ago and the abuse Jimmy Adamson received. That was heavy duty.

[KRBFC]

Everton away a massive game, 5 seconds to go until half time and we go in 0-0 having turned the crowd in our favour.

Any normal bog standard goalkeeper holds the ball and sees out the half. Not this fella, he hits the self destruct button instead.

It’s funny, entertaining and enjoyable to watch when we’re winning every week, anything but when we’re not.

[123EasyasBFC]

I don’t think I have ever seen such a brainless goalkeeper, he has talent too just one extreme to the other in moments. Make a great save one minute the next the ball is rolling under his foot and into his net.

There’s no consistency there with anything he does, that’s a major problem for a goalkeeper.

The ball rolling under his foot doesn’t make I’m erratic, muric was pretty consistent for the full championship season. If muric was faultless then he wouldn’t be at Burnley, same with most players we sign

[CoolClaret]

Everton away a massive game, 5 seconds to go until half time and we go in 0-0 having turned the crowd in our favour.

Any normal bog standard goalkeeper holds the ball and sees out the half. Not this fella, he hits the self destruct button instead.

It’s funny, entertaining and enjoyable to watch when we’re winning every week, anything but when we’re not.

Quite possibly the easiest bit of his game to iron out.

What I like about him is that he doesn't second guess himself and when he makes a decision he commits to it, oh and his very presence and size discourages a lot of attempts on goal as is.

Notice how many less times he got beat from range last season than Traff? It was more or less every other week with Traff he had one top bins fly past him, Hesitated when coming out/coming for crossess - that was nervous energy that transpired to the defence.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Some of the quotes on here (by some of the posters on this thread):
'I would have been happy to see him leave last month for half of what we paid for him if it got him out the side stinking out the place.'
'Trafford strikes again....'
'Laughable from Trafford, a boy playing in a man's game'
'Thick from Trafford'
'he is weak and will single handedly cost us another season'
'The rest of the team must hate Trafford'
'get out of my club'
...In addition to one poster trying to get 'calamity' to stick as his nickname.

Add to this the Muric chants whenever he misplaced a pass or the general groans and I'd suggest he was treated badly by a good slice of Burnley fans.

At least once Trafford has gone it can bring the whole sorry chapter, how we've treated one of our own young lads, to a close.

Sadly that is an element of our "fans" who pollute the club

[Darthlaw]

Notice how many less times he got beat from range last season than Traff? It was more or less every other week with Traff he had one top bins fly past him, Hesitated when coming out/coming for crossess - that was nervous energy that transpired to the defence.

I'm not sure how you compare 'top bins' fly past him from some of the PL's (and probably Europe's) best players. That's before you consider the defence and tactics deployed by VK each week, that allowed the long range shots in the early part of the season.

It's akin to comparing how many Trafford let slide under his boot.

[CoolClaret]

I'm not sure how you compare the Chumpionship with letting 'top bins' fly past him from some of the PL's (and probably Europe's) best players. That's before you consider the defence and tactics deployed by VK each week, that allowed the long range shots.

I'm not, I'm comparing performances in the Premier League.

[Jamesy]

Sadly that is an element of our "fans" who pollute the club

Comments on a messageboard are not abusive chants on an actual match. There is a difference.
James Trafford probably doesn’t read this messageboard. However, if in the unlikely event he does he can do what anyone does with social media nastiness…. Choose not to read it or simply log off from the board.
I will reiterate, James Trafford received little or no abuse whilst he was in goal for Burnley last season.

[Darthlaw]

Comments on a messageboard are not abusive chants on an actual match. There is a difference.
James Trafford probably doesn’t read this messageboard. However, if in the unlikely event he does he can do what anyone does with social media nastiness…. Choose not to read it or simply log off from the board.
I will reiterate, James Trafford received little or no abuse whilst he was in goal for Burnley last season.

Just to clarify, you consider the passive aggressive chanting for Muric, prior to Trafford being dropped, to be constructive and useful to the player already on the pitch?

It might not be direct abuse, it might even be 'aimed at VK' but it doesn't take brain of britain to figure out it's not going to be a confidence booster.

[Clive 1960]

I don’t think I have ever seen such a brainless goalkeeper, he has talent too just one extreme to the other in moments. Make a great save one minute the next the ball is rolling under his foot and into his net.

There’s no consistency there with anything he does, that’s a major problem for a goalkeeper.

Just maybe is confidence was shot to bit's by the manager keep wanting to play him when a right manager could see is confidence was gone and should have been pulled ...

[Clive 1960]

Just to clarify, you consider the passive aggressive chanting for Muric, prior to Trafford being dropped, to be constructive and useful?

It might not be direct abuse but it doesn't take brain of britain to figure out it's not going to be a confidence booster.

CORRECT...

[ClaretPete001]

I made a judgement through all the sources that came out at the time.

Plus I'm old enough to realise the press always put the highest figure possible to create headlines.

Every source I've seen says an initial fee of around £14-£15 million with £4 million add ons etc. Just Google it.

By all means point to those that say less than £9 million....!

[claretonthecoast1882]

Just to clarify, you consider the passive aggressive chanting for Muric, prior to Trafford being dropped, to be constructive and useful to the player already on the pitch?

It might not be direct abuse, it might even be 'aimed at VK' but it doesn't take brain of britain to figure out it's not going to be a confidence booster.

Of course he does hence his gymnastics on here defending it.

[Benson]

Quite possibly the easiest bit of his game to iron out.

What I like about him is that he doesn't second guess himself and when he makes a decision he commits to it, oh and his very presence and size discourages a lot of attempts on goal as is.

Notice how many less times he got beat from range last season than Traff? It was more or less every other week with Traff he had one top bins fly past him, Hesitated when coming out/coming for crossess - that was nervous energy that transpired to the defence.

The 2 biggest goalkeeping bloopers we saw last season were committed by Muric. I agree that Trafford probably wasn’t ready for the Premier league last season but that doesn’t make Muric the outstanding gk that you think he is.

[Jamesy]

Just to clarify, you consider the passive aggressive chanting for Muric, prior to Trafford being dropped, to be constructive and useful to the player already on the pitch?

It might not be direct abuse, it might even be 'aimed at VK' but it doesn't take brain of britain to figure out it's not going to be a confidence booster.

Of course I don’t consider it to be constructive or useful. I do however think you and a few others are blowing it out of proportion.
A few morons chanting Muric’s name in the CF stand does not constitute even a fraction of our support.

[Jamesy]

Of course he does hence his gymnastics on here defending it.

It’s good to see the usual suspects pop up trying to hijack a thread to bash other posters with and impose their self righteous views onto us.

[CoolClaret]

The 2 biggest goalkeeping bloopers we saw last season were committed by Muric. I agree that Trafford probably wasn’t ready for the Premier league last season but that doesn’t make Muric the outstanding gk that you think he is.

I don't particularly judge/view players from single incidents like that - more the entire 90 minutes and how their performances affect the team as a whole.

I thought in all other areas Muric was really solid, dominant and showed that he can perform to a high level as a goalkeeper in the PL.

There's no denying that they were mistakes, but think they're relatively easy mistakes to iron out. They're also mistakes that can certainly be minimised by altering the play style a tad... How do you think Pope would look if he was asked to do what VK asked of his keepers last year?

[Jamesy]

The 2 biggest goalkeeping bloopers we saw last season were committed by Muric. I agree that Trafford probably wasn’t ready for the Premier league last season but that doesn’t make Muric the outstanding gk that you think he is.

Is this thread about Trafford to Newcastle or the tired old Trafford v Muric debate?
Whichever way you look at it, if Trafford had a brilliant, average or mediocre season he would still be leaving us due to the fact that we were relegated to the Championship. It’s nothing to do with Muric.

[Quickenthetempo]

Every source I've seen says an initial fee of around £14-£15 million with £4 million add ons etc. Just Google it.

By all means point to those that say less than £9 million....!

It's OK Pete, you can believe whatever source you wish.

It makes absolutely no difference to anyone, it's not our money and we won't benefit from any profit.

Although VK said himself every transfer fee that was quoted in the championship about us was exaggerated.
But again, the only people it matters to are the ones that know.

[123EasyasBFC]

Muric better at distribution and coming out and catching the ball, there can be no debate about that.

There isn’t much between them at shot stopping and this season both have them have made saves expected of them and neither has made a mistake when saving a shot.

Whether Muric only played 10 games or not, his save percentage was the best in the league since 2018 and we looked 100 times a better side with him.

Can debate all we want about who will have a more successful career but next season we cannot afford the risk of Trafford in goal again when we already have a championship team of the year keeper ready to go

[ŽižkovClaret]

Think 20 rising to 25 gets the deal done

[Ric_C]

If we sell Trafford for 15-20 million and keep a keeper who was responsible for starting moves for over 10 goals we scored last time we were in the championship, I'd be extremely happy. We also need to remember Muric is only 25 and is still learning too. He has the potential to be a top goalkeeper.

[Benson]

Is this thread about Trafford to Newcastle or the tired old Trafford v Muric debate?

Do you mean “the tired old Trafford v Muric debate” that you’ve bored the tits off everyone on since the start of last season.

[Darthlaw]

Of course I don’t consider it to be constructive or useful. I do however think you and a few others are blowing it out of proportion.
A few morons chanting Muric’s name in the CF stand does not constitute even a fraction of our support.

But it wasn't 'a few morons' was it? It was most definitely audible and chanted by a good chunk. Definitely morons though.

[deanothedino]

This whole muric is erratic is such a myth, he’s by far one of the calmest players at the club. With all the highs of last season he always stayed so calm

Everton and Brighton were as erratic as football errors can get.

[deanothedino]

Whether Muric only played 10 games or not, his save percentage was the best in the league since 2018 and we looked 100 times a better side with him.

Padded his own stat out with the amount of times he gave the ball to Spurs to generate chances for them.

[Darthlaw]

Padded his own stat out with the amount of times he gave the ball to Spurs to generate chances for them.

In fairness to Muric, I think by the Tottenham game teams had very much sussed out to press us into a mistake by that point, rather than wait for us to implode as many teams did earlier in the season.

I remain convinced that this would have happened earlier in the season, had Muric started in goal, and the outcome not have been much different. That said, discarding most of the promotion team from the outset whilst chopping/changing for yet more new player was the bigger issue.

[123EasyasBFC]

Everton and Brighton were as erratic as football errors can get.

Erratic isn’t the term to use for a player making a mistake, it’s completely different, it’s an error but that doesn’t make him erratic

If anything Trafford was far more erratic coming out trying to catch the ball in the 96th minute at home to Luton.

[123EasyasBFC]

Padded his own stat out with the amount of times he gave the ball to Spurs to generate chances for them.

So because he gave the ball away that means his save percentage doesn’t mean anything? That’s a new one.

Muric also started the goal at spurs by playing a through ball to Berge

[claret2018]

Signing Trafford was a mistake, if we can get our money back then great.

[warksclaret]

Whatever we exactly paid for Trafford last July, is immaterial.Its been debated on this forum since July. Clubs will go to a certain max, depending on what they feel Trafford is worth in the current market, analysing his current capabilities and projecting where their coaching and his experience in the next few years will take him to

[NL Claret]

Some posters have inflated Trafford's transfer fee to make their agenda stronger. Its like when a posters favourite player is dropped that player's stock rises on here.

UTC is the only place where I've read that Trafford was at fault v Luton. Speaking to fans of various other clubs, instantly when asked they thought it was a foul.

I think Muric errors were down to how much smoke was blown up his backside on here.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Muric better at distribution and coming out and catching the ball, there can be no debate about that.

There isn’t much between them at shot stopping and this season both have them have made saves expected of them and neither has made a mistake when saving a shot.

Whether Muric only played 10 games or not, his save percentage was the best in the league since 2018 and we looked 100 times a better side with him.

Can debate all we want about who will have a more successful career but next season we cannot afford the risk of Trafford in goal again when we already have a championship team of the year keeper ready to go

You do realise that Muric wasn’t in the championship team of the year?

That was Ben Wilson

https://www.efl.com/news/2023/april/efl ... -revealed/

If I’m being honest I hope neither are at the club. They are too problematic for the fan base.

Half of the fans either hate Trafford or Muric

[mikeS]

Following relegation The club will have to make savings on salaries, and if the right offers made Trafford will be sold. Same goes for any other players.
The new manager might want him to stay but I doubt his voice will count regard the hole in the clubs finances.

[bfcjg]

You do realise that Muric wasn’t in the championship team of the year?

That was Ben Wilson

https://www.efl.com/news/2023/april/efl ... -revealed/

If I’m being honest I hope neither are at the club. They are too problematic for the fan base.

Half of the fans either hate Trafford or Muric

Hate ? That's a bit strong, I don't think anybody hates either.

[Woonderbah]

What I struggle with is we've supposedly got 3 maybe 4 massive clubs interested in our player and we're talking about getting our money back or taking a slight loss.. yes I know we've just been relegated but JT has a long contract, is on the fringe of the senior England squad, brimming with potential and has admirers everywhere outside Burnley.. surely there's a decent profit there somewhere.

[Foshiznik]

Muric better at distribution and coming out and catching the ball, there can be no debate about that.

There isn’t much between them at shot stopping and this season both have them have made saves expected of them and neither has made a mistake when saving a shot.

Whether Muric only played 10 games or not, his save percentage was the best in the league since 2018 and we looked 100 times a better side with him.

Can debate all we want about who will have a more successful career but next season we cannot afford the risk of Trafford in goal again when we already have a championship team of the year keeper ready to go

Jesus, don’t you get tired of hating Trafford? Did he steal your missus or something? You never miss a beat with criticising him.

[GetIntoEm]

i'd have kept trafford personally but seems like a good deal if he goes.

i cant believe people are trying to justify on here that they didnt give him a hard time.

the arm chair premier supporters were criticizing him while the games were going on, nevermind when he'd made an error. to pretend it didnt happen is criminal.

Same lot who never go to games who couldnt understand why werent playing Benson or Zaraury when they were "well good innit" in the championship.

thick AF. should be ashamed of theirselves and channel the anger they spout on here into an activity that'll allow them to afford to go watch a football match

[CoolClaret]

You do realise that Muric wasn’t in the championship team of the year?

That was Ben Wilson

https://www.efl.com/news/2023/april/efl ... -revealed/

If I’m being honest I hope neither are at the club. They are too problematic for the fan base.

Half of the fans either hate Trafford or Muric

For the god knows how many times - PFA - which is the one that matters (as voted by fellow Champ players).

[Goliath]

The funny thing is we probably have 2 very good goalkeepers. But Kompany had managed to create a scenario where we could end up with neither.

However Muric was clearly a far superior keeper last season, anyone saying otherwise is talking nonsense. His value is much higher though because he's English which is probably why they signed him in the first place. Imagine what he'd have been worth if he'd had a good season.

[NottsClaret]

Crazy how angry a couple of keepers make people. Trafford is a good keeper, just inexperienced and a bit weak for the Prem so far. Muric is a very talented guy but a touch erratic. That's about it. I don't mind either, they're not peak Heaton or Pope but probably about right for the level we're at now.