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Re: Euro 2024

Post by CoolClaret » Sun Jun 16, 2024 3:46 pm

We only utilised Wout properly in like two games -one of which was Brighton away with Cork playing as well and we moved the ball really well and passed into feet... The next game it was back to type with Westy hoofs into the corner.

It's a shame Dyche didn't keep that team, imo we'd have stayed up.

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Re: Euro 2024

Post by jos » Sun Jun 16, 2024 3:47 pm

gandhisflipflop wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2024 3:44 pm
How do you know?
I don’t know for certain but he didn’t want to last time, so I’m guessing he’s of the same mind.

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Re: Euro 2024

Post by RVclaret » Sun Jun 16, 2024 3:47 pm

Imagine being one of those weird Burnley fans that have slagged him off whenever possible for believing in his ability to play at the highest level for his country. 😂
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Re: Euro 2024

Post by spt_claret » Sun Jun 16, 2024 3:47 pm

CrosspoolClarets wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2024 3:43 pm
Well done Wout.

Would like to know if him loaning last season was his choice or VKs. Obvs he doesnt want to play in the EFL but in the PL he may have been keen. I suspect he wasnt Vinny's cup of tea and that was probably a big error.
Always felt at the time that seemed a Kompany call, Weghorst didn't get many minutes in preseason either. Plus hes well known for being outspoken, can't see that meshing with Kompany.

Quality player though and would love for him to stay with us. Wish he hadn't been loaned out last year.

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Re: Euro 2024

Post by gandhisflipflop » Sun Jun 16, 2024 3:49 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2024 3:47 pm
Imagine being one of those weird Burnley fans that have slagged him off whenever possible for believing in his ability to play at the highest level for his country. 😂
It was weird wasn’t it. Imagine thinking Wood was better :lol:

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Re: Euro 2024

Post by jedi_master » Sun Jun 16, 2024 3:51 pm

Can’t do it in the Premier League (37 games, 2 goals) but he can bloody notch in tournament football.

I have to say, I’d give him a go in the Championship if nobody was willing to outright buy him this summer. He probably doesn’t fancy that but it’s about time we gave him a chance to contribute for us. Then again, I said that last summer and he was booed by our own fans in Belgium.

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Re: Euro 2024

Post by CoolClaret » Sun Jun 16, 2024 3:52 pm

gandhisflipflop wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2024 3:49 pm
It was weird wasn’t it. Imagine thinking Wood was better :lol:
Both very good players with differing skillsets - Wood bagged 14 goals last season in 31 games for Forest, that's really good going.

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Re: Euro 2024

Post by Pickles » Sun Jun 16, 2024 3:54 pm

And Weghorst isn't good enough for Burnley according to lots on here.
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Re: Euro 2024

Post by dannyonclarets » Sun Jun 16, 2024 3:55 pm

He's a poacher. The squad we have now is better than every other side in the Championship. He'd be perfect for us this coming season.

If he gets on with the new manager and is ready to pull his socks up and do a season with us, then we should get behind him.

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Re: Euro 2024

Post by ISpeds00 » Sun Jun 16, 2024 3:56 pm

Kyle Walker ruled out tonight



Apparantly he'll still be opening fathers day gifts
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Re: Euro 2024

Post by pushpinpussy » Sun Jun 16, 2024 3:57 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2024 3:47 pm
Imagine being one of those weird Burnley fans that have slagged him off whenever possible for believing in his ability to play at the highest level for his country. 😂
You could be Pele but the majority of the cretins on here would still find fault.

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Re: Euro 2024

Post by ecc » Sun Jun 16, 2024 3:57 pm

Amazing.

Excellent match. Feel sorry for the Poles.

We won't see many better games than that in the competition.

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Re: Euro 2024

Post by Foshiznik » Sun Jun 16, 2024 3:58 pm

I always liked him but his stats in the Premier League are not great for a striker. That said if the international Weghorst turned up at club level, he be way out of our league so his inconsistency must be one of his major weaknesses given you can’t deny some of his ability.

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Re: Euro 2024

Post by Wokingclaret » Sun Jun 16, 2024 4:02 pm

Pickles wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2024 3:54 pm
And Weghorst isn't good enough for Burnley according to lots on here.
Well, I hope we're getting the money for his euro attendance and hopefully someone will buy him in the last year of his contract

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Re: Euro 2024

Post by Boss Hogg » Sun Jun 16, 2024 4:02 pm

He’s good enough for Burnley. He isn’t good enough for the Premier League.

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Re: Euro 2024

Post by Tricky Trevor » Sun Jun 16, 2024 4:03 pm

He started well for us, as a player, but the lack of goals eventually got to him and his confidence went.
I’d like to know the split between his goals as starter and those as a sub for Holland. The only ones I can remember were as a sub.

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Re: Euro 2024

Post by Holtyclaret » Sun Jun 16, 2024 4:03 pm

Barnes was brilliant in his last season for everything bar scoring goals, Weghorst is similar in British football, not about goals scored but connects play, distracts defenders and makes other players look better. Utd went on a great run when he joined them, without him really scoring. Would have been great last season.

Will bring a few quid in this summer.
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Re: Euro 2024

Post by Pickles » Sun Jun 16, 2024 4:05 pm

Wokingclaret wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2024 4:02 pm
Well, I hope we're getting the money for his euro attendance and hopefully someone will buy him in the last year of his contract
Shame it hasn't worked out. Multiple factors. But he's a decent player.

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Re: Euro 2024

Post by AlargeClaret » Sun Jun 16, 2024 4:07 pm

Perhaps the Weghorst fan boys can get to grips that it’s possible to be sh1te for one club and good for your national team . He was poor for us and almost as poor in a studded ( yet chaotic) Man Utd side .Still a decent player but It didn’t work out for him or us , can’t people just move on and accept the loss ?

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Re: Euro 2024

Post by jedi_master » Sun Jun 16, 2024 4:09 pm

Why are the press talking up Mitrovic ahead of tonight’s game like we’re facing Mbappe?

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Re: Euro 2024

Post by spt_claret » Sun Jun 16, 2024 4:12 pm

CoolClaret wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2024 3:52 pm
Both very good players with differing skillsets - Wood bagged 14 goals last season in 31 games for Forest, that's really good going.
I've said a few times and still maintain - even if Weghorst was seemingly signed as a Wood replacement I don't believe he was targeted as one but as a partner and that disconnect between Pace and Dyche was involved. We didn't play Wout in the Wood role, we didn't always maximise him which would have involved a different formation that could have left our midfield thin but Jay was playing the Wood role and Wout the Jay/Barnes role. Firmly believe if he had been targeted by Dyche before January 2022, it was to partner Wood and replace Jay, and that that would have been a sensible effective partnership.
They're both good players but hugely different, being tall is their only similarity.

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Re: Euro 2024

Post by ClaretTony » Sun Jun 16, 2024 4:14 pm

spt_claret wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2024 3:47 pm
Always felt at the time that seemed a Kompany call, Weghorst didn't get many minutes in preseason either. Plus hes well known for being outspoken, can't see that meshing with Kompany.

Quality player though and would love for him to stay with us. Wish he hadn't been loaned out last year.
Believe it was a Kompany call

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Re: Euro 2024

Post by Jamesy » Sun Jun 16, 2024 4:16 pm

Oh dear, Wout getting the late winner!
They will be along soon saying he is Pony.

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Re: Euro 2024

Post by bumba » Sun Jun 16, 2024 4:24 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2024 4:14 pm
Believe it was a Kompany call
File alongside many other bad calls he made last season

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Re: Euro 2024

Post by ClaretTony » Sun Jun 16, 2024 4:30 pm

bumba wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2024 4:24 pm
File alongside many other bad calls he made last season
Not sure that was a bad call. I don’t think the player wanted to be here.

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Re: Euro 2024

Post by Jamesy » Sun Jun 16, 2024 4:30 pm

AlargeClaret wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2024 4:07 pm
Perhaps the Weghorst fan boys can get to grips that it’s possible to be sh1te for one club and good for your national team . He was poor for us and almost as poor in a studded ( yet chaotic) Man Utd side .Still a decent player but It didn’t work out for him or us , can’t people just move on and accept the loss ?
To be fair though, half a season playing for us wasn’t really long enough for us to label him as “poor”.
I’ve always thought he could do a decent job for us, either in the Premier League or the Championship. I know it’s been well documented that apparently he won’t play Championship football, however he is under contract to play for Burnley Football Club and the right manager just might get a good season out of him as he is better than any striker we currently have at the club
And when people come on this board and say he is not even Championship standard even though he is an established Dutch International, well that’s just laughable.
I’m waiting for all of his detractors to pile on this thread as the current silence is deafening.

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Re: Euro 2024

Post by Longsidejono » Sun Jun 16, 2024 4:33 pm

Frimpong - Virgil - ake/ deligt- maatsen

Now that’s a good defence!

With wout up top too 😂

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Re: Euro 2024

Post by Casper2 » Sun Jun 16, 2024 4:41 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2024 3:47 pm
Imagine being one of those weird Burnley fans that have slagged him off whenever possible for believing in his ability to play at the highest level for his country. 😂
Been slagged off for his attitude not his ability and rightly so.

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Re: Euro 2024

Post by Jamesy » Sun Jun 16, 2024 4:43 pm

Casper2 wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2024 4:41 pm
Been slagged off for his attitude not his ability and rightly so.
His perceived attitude.
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Re: Euro 2024

Post by taio » Sun Jun 16, 2024 4:46 pm

Jamesy wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2024 4:30 pm
To be fair though, half a season playing for us wasn’t really long enough for us to label him as “poor”.
I’ve always thought he could do a decent job for us, either in the Premier League or the Championship. I know it’s been well documented that apparently he won’t play Championship football, however he is under contract to play for Burnley Football Club and the right manager just might get a good season out of him as he is better than any striker we currently have at the club
And when people come on this board and say he is not even Championship standard even though he is an established Dutch International, well that’s just laughable.
I’m waiting for all of his detractors to pile on this thread as the current silence is deafening.
Hardly anyone on here said he wasn't Championship standard.

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Re: Euro 2024

Post by dannyonclarets » Sun Jun 16, 2024 4:48 pm

Just looking at the England starting line up and if you complain you need your head read and should take a month off.

That is a superb starting 11. Saka has been brilliant and then you have Bellingham, Foden and Kane with him.

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Re: Euro 2024

Post by Casper2 » Sun Jun 16, 2024 4:48 pm

Jamesy wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2024 4:43 pm
His perceived attitude.
It’s been well documented, it’s up to you if you want to ignore the facts.

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Re: Euro 2024

Post by bumba » Sun Jun 16, 2024 4:51 pm

dannyonclarets wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2024 4:48 pm
Just looking at the England starting line up and if you complain you need your head read and should take a month off.

That is a superb starting 11. Saka has been brilliant and then you have Bellingham, Foden and Kane with him.
Fantastic of you to come on uptheclarets Gareth and tell us your lineup two hours before officially announcing it 👍

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Re: Euro 2024

Post by addisclaret » Sun Jun 16, 2024 4:54 pm

bumba wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2024 4:51 pm
Fantastic of you to come on uptheclarets Gareth and tell us your lineup two hours before officially announcing it 👍
Southgate always was a big fan of uptheclarets and has attributed a lot of his success to what he read on here from the plethora of tactical genii that abound the site.
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Re: Euro 2024

Post by spt_claret » Sun Jun 16, 2024 4:55 pm

Casper2 wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2024 4:48 pm
It’s been well documented, it’s up to you if you want to ignore the facts.
He either refused to play or had it in his contract he would get loaned out in the Championship because he was told by the Dutch manager he had to be in a top flight league to get in the World Cup team.

Dyche spoke of Weghorst having great work ethic and attitude and even said that he felt some of his early struggles were Wout was trying too hard and being a bit too selfless on the pitch.

He's been known for runins with teammates but pretty much always over lack of effort from the teammates not him, he'd become unpopular at Wolfsburg because he was criticising teammates' work rate.

He's got a very strong opinion and Dutch bluntness, has an ego like most footballers do, but nothing about him has ever struck me as bad attitude so much as a very driven character who can be abrasive and critical. Some people can put up with that some can't.
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Re: Euro 2024

Post by dannyonclarets » Sun Jun 16, 2024 4:55 pm

bumba wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2024 4:51 pm
Fantastic of you to come on uptheclarets Gareth and tell us your lineup two hours before officially announcing it 👍
I'll let you into a little secret - Trent starts in midfield.

But don't tell anybody else.

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Re: Euro 2024

Post by Jamesy » Sun Jun 16, 2024 4:59 pm

taio wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2024 4:46 pm
Hardly anyone on here said he wasn't Championship standard.
There were some.

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Re: Euro 2024

Post by morninbob » Sun Jun 16, 2024 5:00 pm

I see that JBL has made the Denmark squad.

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Re: Euro 2024

Post by deanothedino » Sun Jun 16, 2024 5:01 pm

jedi_master wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2024 3:51 pm
Can’t do it in the Premier League (37 games, 2 goals) but he can bloody notch in tournament football.

I have to say, I’d give him a go in the Championship if nobody was willing to outright buy him this summer. He probably doesn’t fancy that but it’s about time we gave him a chance to contribute for us. Then again, I said that last summer and he was booed by our own fans in Belgium.
Maybe he’d have fancied it last season if we didn’t boo him at friendlies.
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Re: Euro 2024

Post by Buxtonclaret » Sun Jun 16, 2024 5:04 pm

addisclaret wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2024 4:54 pm
Southgate always was a big fan of uptheclarets and has attributed a lot of his success to what he read on here from the plethora of tactical genii that abound the site.

He used to sneak under the name of Frank, or something like. :D

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Re: Euro 2024

Post by Jamesy » Sun Jun 16, 2024 5:13 pm

deanothedino wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2024 5:01 pm
Maybe he’d have fancied it last season if we didn’t boo him at friendlies.
Yes I don’t think that helped the situation much.
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Re: Euro 2024

Post by nil_desperandum » Sun Jun 16, 2024 5:15 pm

CoolClaret wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2024 3:46 pm
We only utilised Wout properly in like two games -one of which was Brighton away with Cork playing as well and we moved the ball really well and passed into feet... The next game it was back to type with Westy hoofs into the corner.

It's a shame Dyche didn't keep that team, imo we'd have stayed up.
Dyche never dropped Weghorst
Weghorst was playing quite well under Jackson and we were getting results, then ..... after a home defeat against a very good Villa side, Jackson left him out in a game that we needed to win at Spurs .... prefering to bring in ..... Kevin Long.
Weghorst hasn't started for us since.

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Re: Euro 2024

Post by IanMcL » Sun Jun 16, 2024 5:17 pm

Well played Wout. Add something to the fee.
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Re: Euro 2024

Post by Tricky Trevor » Sun Jun 16, 2024 5:18 pm

1-0 Denmark. Eriksen.
I love Wind jersey. It reads WINO.

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Re: Euro 2024

Post by dannyonclarets » Sun Jun 16, 2024 5:19 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2024 5:18 pm
1-0 Denmark. Eriksen.
Pleased for him with what he's had to go through.

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Re: Euro 2024

Post by CoolClaret » Sun Jun 16, 2024 5:20 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2024 5:15 pm
Dyche never dropped Weghorst
Weghorst was playing quite well under Jackson and we were getting results, then ..... after a home defeat against a very good Villa side, Jackson left him out in a game that we needed to win at Spurs .... prefering to bring in ..... Kevin Long.
Weghorst hasn't started for us since.
I agree mate - I didn't say that Dyche dropped him, just said that he didn't, imo, utilise him properly when Westwood came back into the side, with Cork dropping to the bench.
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Re: Euro 2024

Post by ElectroClaret » Sun Jun 16, 2024 5:20 pm

Denmark 1 Slovenia 0
Eriksen.

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Re: Euro 2024

Post by Roosterbooster » Sun Jun 16, 2024 5:20 pm

bumba wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2024 4:51 pm
Fantastic of you to come on uptheclarets Gareth and tell us your lineup two hours before officially announcing it 👍
If it isn't:

Pickford Walker Stones Guehi Trippier Rice TAA Bellingham Foden Saka Kane

I'll be amazed

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Re: Euro 2024

Post by dannyonclarets » Sun Jun 16, 2024 5:23 pm

Roosterbooster wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2024 5:20 pm
If it isn't:

Pickford Walker Stones Guehi Trippier Rice TAA Bellingham Foden Saka Kane

I'll be amazed
This Bumba fella won't even know the starting lineup when we're 10 minutes into the game. My 3 month old niece knows more about football than him.
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Re: Euro 2024

Post by wilks_bfc » Sun Jun 16, 2024 5:26 pm

dannyonclarets wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2024 5:19 pm
Pleased for him with what he's had to go through.
Very fitting when you think what happened in the last Euro Championship game he played in

Was a well taken goal as well
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