Euro 2024

[HahaYeah]

"Dink" (Shudder)

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Weggie is on.

[martin_p]

The current offside rule is crap.
Interpretation of interfering with play is so dodgy.

How’s it dodgy? The Dutch player is in the way of the keepers dive, it’s a perfect example of interfering with play.

[Vincent'sCap]

Here comes horsecart

[RMutt]

Do I need to repeat myself?

[ClaretFelix]

The problem is the offside player was preventing the goalkeeper from diving, so I’m not sure the criticism is completely justified.

But he made no attempt to dive and didn't even realise he was there until he turned to watch the ball fly into the net

[martin_p]

But he made no attempt to dive and didn't even realise he was there until he turned to watch the ball fly into the net

Unless he has no peripheral vision he’d have known he was there. Problem is it’s impossible to second guess what the keeper would have done had the Dutch player not been there.

[CrosspoolClarets]

Never let it be said again that VAR only ruins the game in the Premier League.

Though that atrocity was given on the field of play, by a linesman who was 90 degrees away from the perfect angle.

That keeper wasn’t even aware of the shot it was struck so sweet. Ruining the game.

[boatshed bill]

How’s it dodgy? The Dutch player is in the way of the keepers dive, it’s a perfect example of interfering with play.

No, not that specific decision but plenty are. Interpretation of "interfering" is so subjective. I thought that was a correct decision, but it shouldn't need a committee to decide it.

[Rileybobs]

But he made no attempt to dive and didn't even realise he was there until he turned to watch the ball fly into the net

Do you not think it looked odd that the keeper didn’t dive? It did to me. I think if the player wasn’t there he would have dived, he probably wouldn’t have saved it but that can’t be proven. At the end of the day, if you’re stood in an offside position then you run the risk of interfering with play so I have no problem with that being disallowed. Bear in mind the on-field assistant disallowed the goal anyway.

[Elizabeth]

How’s it dodgy? The Dutch player is in the way of the keepers dive, it’s a perfect example of interfering with play.

The ball was in the back of the net before the goalie had the chance to move so I very much doubt you would get much support with your assertion.
As always though there will some who want to think that way

[martin_p]

Never let it be said again that VAR only ruins the game in the Premier League.

Though that atrocity was given on the field of play, by a linesman who was 90 degrees away from the perfect angle.

That keeper wasn’t even aware of the shot it was struck so sweet. Ruining the game.

But VAR didn’t give the decision, the linesman did. That would’ve been disallowed without VAR.

[quoonbeatz]

Seen it a few times now and he’s in the zone of the keepers possible dive. I don’t like it at all but I feel these get given.

"Zone of possible dive" is unfortunatley something you've made up and isn't anything to do with the offside law.

Dumfries is not in the keeper's line of vision, he doesn't challenge any opponent, doesn't make an attempt to play the ball and is doesn't make any other action to prevent the keeper playing the ball. Those are the things he can be penalised for under the offside law. He's just stood there and, at worst, jumps over the ball. The goal should have stood.

[CrosspoolClarets]

Got to say this about Stuart Atwell, he is having a fine season

[Vegas Claret]

correct decision but because it was subjective it should never ever be made by those in the box. It should have gone

"Anthony, we think he could be offside, go take a look at the screen mate"

Taylor runs over and has a look and he makes whatever decision HE decides. - it should have taken 1 minute max

We absolutely need to take the decisions away from those on VAR

[Taffy on the wing]

Never let it be said again that VAR only ruins the game in the Premier League.

Though that atrocity was given on the field of play, by a linesman who was 90 degrees away from the perfect angle.

That keeper wasn’t even aware of the shot it was struck so sweet. Ruining the game.

Stuart Attwell on VAR.........i think they just said. Say no more.

[CrosspoolClarets]

But VAR didn’t give the decision, the linesman did. That would’ve been disallowed without VAR.

Yes I said that in my post. But VAR (Atwell) could still have overturned it, and should have. Not interfering in any way as many posters agree.

[RVclaret]

"Zone of possible dive" is unfortunatley something you've made up and isn't anything to do with the offside law.

Dumfries is not in the keeper's line of vision, he doesn't challenge any opponent, doesn't make an attempt to play the ball and is doesn't make any other action to prevent the keeper playing the ball. Those are the things he can be penalised for under the offside law. He's just stood there and, at worst, jumps over the ball. The goal should have stood.

The rule is ‘interfering with play’. Being directly in the spot the keeper would dive is interfering with play. It doesn’t matter about playing the ball if he’s stood there. The keeper appealed immediately.

[martin_p]

"Zone of possible dive" is unfortunatley something you've made up and isn't anything to do with the offside law.

Dumfries is not in the keeper's line of vision, he doesn't challenge any opponent, doesn't make an attempt to play the ball and is doesn't make any other action to prevent the keeper playing the ball. Those are the things he can be penalised for under the offside law. He's just stood there and, at worst, jumps over the ball. The goal should have stood.

This looks fairly clear:

‘A player moving from, or standing in, an offside position is in the way of an opponent and interferes with the movement of the opponent towards the ball this is an offside offence if it impacts on the ability of the opponent to play or challenge for the ball; if the player moves into the way of an opponent and impedes the opponent's progress (e.g blocks the opponent) the offence should be penalised under Law 12’

[Swizzlestick]

France pretty unconvincing again, albeit without their best player.

[quoonbeatz]

The rule is ‘interfering with play’. Being directly in the spot the keeper would dive is interfering with play. It doesn’t matter about playing the ball if he’s stood there. The keeper appealed immediately.

Read the law. I've just listed the ways he can be offside and he doesn't do any of them. If the keeper had actually dived and he'd been prevented from getting to the ball, he'd be offside.

[Poulton-le-Claret]

0-0 to the referee. The ball was already past the GK before he saw it, how they think the GK was saving that is beyond me.

[South West Claret.]

Certainly offside in my view with the game a bit of a scoreless bore fest in the end.

[gandhisflipflop]

Var is **** and the sooner it’s out of the game the better. The likes of attwell just make it shitter

[Burnley1989]

correct decision but because it was subjective

I just don’t agree with that mate, but as you say it’s all opinions.
I hate that it’s even considered

[martin_p]

Read the law. I've just listed the ways he can be offside and he doesn't do any of them. If the keeper had actually dived and he'd been prevented from getting to the ball, he'd be offside.

You’ve only listed part of the law, the bit I’ve posted shows very clearly that he just needs to be in the way.

[Rileybobs]

The moral of the story is be onside.

[CrosspoolClarets]

France pretty unconvincing again, albeit without their best player.

Agree.

Probably down to the level where they could beat us only 3-0 in the semis I despair to say.

[quoonbeatz]

The bbc lads have just got it bang on - keeper isn't getting anywhere near it so Dumfries isn't interfering. As usual it comes down to people who don't play football not understanding the game they officiate.

[Elizabeth]

Read the law. I've just listed the ways he can be offside and he doesn't do any of them. If the keeper had actually dived and he'd been prevented from getting to the ball, he'd be offside.

Totally agree and we all knew with it being English officials what the outcome would be and how long it would take. It sums up the poor use of VAR in English football and confirms what a big task it is going to be to get it right unless the present format is radically changed.

[boatshed bill]

I'm not sure I need to waste my time on this tournament. so far I'm finding it tedious.

[quoonbeatz]

You’ve only listed part of the law, the bit I’ve posted shows very clearly that he just needs to be in the way.

Yeah, I'd read it again if I were you.

[martin_p]

The bbc lads have just got it bang on - keeper isn't getting anywhere near it so Dumfries isn't interfering. As usual it comes down to people who don't play football not understanding the game they officiate.

There’s a low probability, but not impossible. There’s many a time when a keeper who seemed to have no chance of getting to the ball have made a save. Besides, the law only says the offside player has the prevent movement towards the ball, which was definitely the case here. You can argue about whether the law is right or not but all the officials can do is apply the law as written.

[martin_p]

Yeah, I'd read it again if I were you.

Read it several times, it’s very clear, he just needs to be in the way.

[quoonbeatz]

Read it several times, it’s very clear, he just needs to be in the way.

Incorrect, he has to interfere with with an opponent's movement towards the ball, which he doesn't, the ball is almost past him before the keeper has any chance to react.

[martin_p]

Incorrect, he has to interfere with with an opponent's movement towards the ball, which he doesn't, the ball is almost past him before the keeper has any chance to react.

No, all he has to do is impact the ability of the opponent to play the ball. Being stood between the keeper and the flight of the ball (even just being in his peripheral vision) impacts that ability. The keeper doesn’t even have to be moving towards the ball.

[quoonbeatz]

No, all he has to do is impact the ability of the opponent to play the ball. Being stood between the keeper and the flight of the ball (even just being in his peripheral vision) impacts that ability. The keeper doesn’t even have to be moving towards the ball.

No, he has to interfere with the keeper's movement towards the ball for the impacting his ability to play it part to come into play. And he doesn't.

I guess the positive for England is that they can't have the PL's rancid officials doing their games.

[willsclarets]

No, all he has to do is impact the ability of the opponent to play the ball. Being stood between the keeper and the flight of the ball (even just being in his peripheral vision) impacts that ability. The keeper doesn’t even have to be moving towards the ball.

He doesn't impact his ability to play the ball in my opinion. And a player could be 20 yards away and still be in peripheral vision, at what point does that become irrelevant? To me the keeper went all in on getting the offside decision and should've been punished for it.

[martin_p]

He doesn't impact his ability to play the ball in my opinion. And a player could be 20 yards away and still be in peripheral vision, at what point does that become irrelevant? To me the keeper went all in on getting the offside decision and should've been punished for it.

But he wasn’t 20 yards away, he was a few feet away from the keeper, between the keeper and the flight of the ball. But it’s a subjective decision and as such VAR was right not to overturn it as the on field decision wasn’t obviously wrong. Had the on field officials given the goal it wouldn’t have been overturned.

[Firthy]

I don't think for one minute that the goalie would have got anywhere near it let alone saved it but the correct decision was made for once.

The rule states "The attacking player is penalised for preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the goalkeeper's line of vision"

He did prevent the goalie from being able to play the ball.

[Elizabeth]

I don't think for one minute that the goalie would have got anywhere near it let alone saved it but the correct decision was made for once.

The rule states "The attacking player is penalised for preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the goalkeeper's line of vision"

He did prevent the goalie from being able to play the ball.

The goalkeepers body position was analysed and he couldn't have done anything more than he did to save the shot. A poor off field decision because I don't blame the linesman from his view. However we know from experience these English VAR officials are useless

[Firthy]

The goalkeepers body position was analysed and he couldn't have done anything more than he did to save the shot. A poor off field decision because I don't blame the linesman from his view. However we know from experience these English VAR officials are useless

I don't agree with the decision either but the wording of the rule allows for the interpretation that disallowed the goal.

[Firthy]

Why the hell do we have to have female commentators in men's football. It's not the same watching with no sound. Whoever dreamt up diversity wants to crawl back under their stone

[ElectroClaret]

Georgia 0 CR 1

VAR check....Disallowed

[Rileybobs]

Why the hell do we have to have female commentators in men's football. It's not the same watching with no sound. Whoever dreamt up diversity wants to crawl back under their stone

Grow up.

[Firthy]

Grow up.

I'm too old to grow up. Anyway it's still my opinion and I'm sticking with it

[aclaretinstevenage]

Why the hell do we have to have female commentators in men's football. It's not the same watching with no sound. Whoever dreamt up diversity wants to crawl back under their stone

Turn the sound off and get the commentary from Talk Shite. I'm doing that now, just need to sync the picture to the commentary.

Downside is Alvin Martin is Co-commentator and he's been on the trill this morning, he doesn't seem to know when to stop!

[ElectroClaret]

Peno after VAR check for Georgia for handball.

Scored. 1-0

[Vegas Claret]

best save of the tournament just after the pen

[Silkyskills1]

Little bit of nostalgia for elderly Clarets like myself. This afternoon's game between Czech Rep. and Georgia being played at the Vollspark(sp) Stadium in Hamburg. Quite different to what I remember from one dull afternoon in March 1961 when I rushed home from junior school to watch us play the 2nd leg of our European Cup tie v Hamburg. Won't dwell on the scoreline and outcome. They do appear, though, to have got rid of those square posts. Much too late, however.