Euro 2024

[martin_p]

Did you think the one at Villa was a pen?

I’ve blanked last season out already, you’ll have to remind me.

[gandhisflipflop]

Scotland being cheated out of a major tournament by an argentine. Karma is a bitch

[quoonbeatz]

Armstrong was offside anyway.

[NottsClaret]

The ref wasn’t European

Even better. The whole world of football has moved on. Hopefully we catch up over here.

[Ashingtonclaret46]

Scotland being cheated out of a major tournament by an argentine. Karma is a bitch

Scotland going out of a major tournament because a Scot could not 'con' an Argentinian official or his Spanish VAR colleague that he deserved a penalty for pulling his opponent down in an attempt to manufacture a penalty when he could quite easily have got a shot away if he had not been intent on conning officials.
Scotland got what they deserved ---a flight home earlier than their fans would have liked.

[Tresor'sTracksuit]

Scotland going out of a major tournament because a Scot could not 'con' an Argentinian official or his Spanish VAR colleague that he deserved a penalty for pulling his opponent down in an attempt to manufacture a penalty when he could quite easily have got a shot away if he had not been intent on conning officials.
Scotland got what they deserved ---a flight home earlier than their fans would have liked.

Correct.

[elwaclaret]

Though Scotland gave it a good go tonight. Felt a little guilty having a wry smile as the goal went in.

[claretburns]

Though Scotland gave it a good go tonight. Felt a little guilty having a wry smile as the goal went in.

I thought they gave it a good go for about 5 minutes of added time, the rest of the game they were extremely poor.

[Quicknick]

Though Scotland gave it a good go tonight. Felt a little guilty having a wry smile as the goal went in.

Just looged in to see the score and looked here first. Your post has be smiling properly.

[taio]

Though Scotland gave it a good go tonight. Felt a little guilty having a wry smile as the goal went in.

So much so they didn't have a single shot on target. They were really poor.

[martin_p]

Armstrong was offside anyway.

Looked level on the replays I saw but haven’t seen a good angle and would certainly have been touch and go.

[Tresor'sTracksuit]

Though Scotland gave it a good go tonight. Felt a little guilty having a wry smile as the goal went in.

Did you only tune in in the 90th minute?

[martin_p]

So much so they didn't have a single shot on target. They were really poor.

They did, but not until Hanley in injury time.

[Ashingtonclaret46]

I thought they gave it a good go for about 5 minutes of added time, the rest of the game they were extremely poor.

If giving it a good go is having almost 58% possession but only having 4 shots with none on target against opponents who managed 14 shots with 5 on target and whose goalkeeper did not have one save to make ---then I have to agree with you, however, the reality is very different, the Scots were poor and got what they deserved.

[taio]

They did, but not until Hanley in injury time.

Yes too little too late. They were awful

[Tresor'sTracksuit]

To be fair that good looking guy Hanley had a shot on target in the last few minutes. Apart from that they were crap.

[elwaclaret]

Did you only tune in in the 90th minute?

No it was on but I was arguing with another historian on Twitter, so not really paying full attention

[dsr]

Looked level on the replays I saw but haven’t seen a good angle and would certainly have been touch and go.

He wasn't level. Level doesn't exist any more, because "level" means that a micrometer wouldn't separate the players, and VAR doesn't have the technology to be that exact - as Lukaku has found, there will always be one man "in front" of the other.

[RammyClaret61]

The more I watch it, the less it’s a penalty. Not that I thought it ever was.
Armstrong never touches the ball. He’s never in control of the ball. He steps in front of the defender, then continues moving sideways, making no attempt to control the ball. He sticks his leg out, and to keep balance grabs the defenders shirt. Then when he falls/dives he drags the defender down with him. For me, free kick to Hungary.

[bumba]

The more I watch it, the less it’s a penalty. Not that I thought it ever was.
Armstrong never touches the ball. He’s never in control of the ball. He steps in front of the defender, then continues moving sideways, making no attempt to control the ball. He sticks his leg out, and to keep balance grabs the defenders shirt. Then when he falls/dives he drags the defender down with him. For me, free kick to Hungary.

It's a penalty all day long.
Every striker steps across the defender in that moment he doesn't initiate any contact the defenders knee hits the back of Armstrong's knee causing his leg to give way, there is clear contact and it's one of the most obvious penalties you'll ever see.

[Fretters]

And was he not Argentinian?

He was, and Clarke has practically said he shouldn't be over here reffing our games, he should be reffing in his own country. This after saying he didn't want to say anything out of line because he likes his money.

[Burnley Ace]

It's a penalty all day long.
Every striker steps across the defender in that moment he doesn't initiate any contact the defenders knee hits the back of Armstrong's knee causing his leg to give way, there is clear contact and it's one of the most obvious penalties you'll ever see.

By “stepping across the defender” isn’t he just “sticking his leg out to trip” the defender?

[claretonthecoast1882]

They never fail to amuse the bitter jocks do they.

Not even managing a single shot on or off target in the first half of a must win game is just your standard approach by them.

[NottsClaret]

It's a penalty all day long.
Every striker steps across the defender in that moment he doesn't initiate any contact the defenders knee hits the back of Armstrong's knee causing his leg to give way, there is clear contact and it's one of the most obvious penalties you'll ever see.

It’s going to be a steep learning curve for UK based players and pundits, but you aren’t getting fouls anymore for creating these collisions and throwing yourself down. They can keep doing it and crying about it but UEFA have obviously decided that it is a contact sport afterall.

It’s been noticeable in the Champion’s League all season.

[bfcjg]

They are a very bitter nation, collective little man syndrome, probably why they gave the world the Krankies.

[THEWELLERNUT70]

So let's have it right Scotland have scored two goals this euros

1x Own Goal
1x massive deflection that should have been an own goal

Utter bonk and they deserved knocking out !

[claretonthecoast1882]

So let's have it right Scotland have scored two goals this euros

1x Own Goal
1x massive deflection that should have been an own goal

Utter bonk and they deserved knocking out !

There was a stat given out last night and I am sure it said "there have been only 2 games so far this tournament where a team hasn't had a single shot of any type in a half of the match"

It was the jocks both times

[Swizzlestick]

They were awful against Germany, and somehow even worse last night. Absolutely no urgency in a must win game until the last 10 minutes where they were chaotic and all over the place. Clarke hasn’t covered himself in glory either - rude to reporters and his comments about the referee are a bit pathetic.

[Casper2]

It's a penalty all day long.
Every striker steps across the defender in that moment he doesn't initiate any contact the defenders knee hits the back of Armstrong's knee causing his leg to give way, there is clear contact and it's one of the most obvious penalties you'll ever see.

He was offside anyway

[bumba]

He was offside anyway

Haven't seen the clips after the match, did the semi automated offside show up as offside?

[bumba]

It’s going to be a steep learning curve for UK based players and pundits, but you aren’t getting fouls anymore for creating these collisions and throwing yourself down. They can keep doing it and crying about it but UEFA have obviously decided that it is a contact sport afterall.

It’s been noticeable in the Champion’s League all season.

He didn't create the collision he was fouled

[bumba]

By “stepping across the defender” isn’t he just “sticking his leg out to trip” the defender?

No completely different things, Jamie Vardy puts his leg out to initiate contact, Armstrong used his body to shield the ball and was fouled

[Poulton-le-Claret]

He was offside anyway

He certainly looked it, shame they didn't draw the lines to put it to bed.

[Newcastleclaret93]

No completely different things, Jamie Vardy puts his leg out to initiate contact, Armstrong used his body to shield the ball and was fouled

Totally agree

Armstrong gets in front on the player to shield the ball and it’s just flattened.

That’s a penalty 100% of the time, got no idea how the ref and Var missed it. I personally think the ref had a howler yesterday, was so inconsistent throughout the game.

The penalty was the perfect example, didnt give a foul there but then gave fouls in the middle of the pitch for the slightest contact

[dsr]

Totally agree

Armstrong gets in front on the player to shield the ball and it’s just flattened.

That’s a penalty 100% of the time, got no idea how the ref and Var missed it. I personally think the ref had a howler yesterday, was so inconsistent throughout the game.

The penalty was the perfect example, didnt give a foul there but then gave fouls in the middle of the pitch for the slightest contact

The ref and VAR didn't miss it. The ref and VAR had a different opinion to yours, that's all it was. They saw it, and they disagreed with you.

[bumba]

The ref and VAR didn't miss it. The ref and VAR had a different opinion to yours, that's all it was. They saw it, and they disagreed with you.

Wasn't checked by VAR according to reports this morning.

[Newcastleclaret93]

The ref and VAR didn't miss it. The ref and VAR had a different opinion to yours, that's all it was. They saw it, and they disagreed with you.

Clearly they did miss it, it was a howler of a decision

[martin_p]

It’s going to be a steep learning curve for UK based players and pundits, but you aren’t getting fouls anymore for creating these collisions and throwing yourself down. They can keep doing it and crying about it but UEFA have obviously decided that it is a contact sport afterall.

It’s been noticeable in the Champion’s League all season.

He didn’t throw himself down he got a knee in the back of his leg. You can see the leg buckle on impact!

[martin_p]

So let's have it right Scotland have scored two goals this euros

1x Own Goal
1x massive deflection that should have been an own goal

Utter bonk and they deserved knocking out !

Can’t disagree with that, however they should have had a penalty.

[bfcjg]

I reckon even Kompany will last longer in Germany then that shower.

[Jakubclaret]

Can’t disagree with that, however they should have had a penalty.

It didn't really look that way not enough in it for me.

[dsr]

Clearly they did miss it, it was a howler of a decision

And yet plenty of people on here reckon it wasn't a penalty. Did we all miss it? Is it not more likely that your opinion (whisper it gently) is not treated as gospel by the rest of the world?

One of the difficulties in modern football especially, is who is responsible for the collision if one player moves into the path of another. In the past it used to be called obstruction by and large, but now there is a school of thought that using your body to block an opponent makes him guilty of the foul. It's a grey area, not an open-and-shut case.

[bumba]

And yet plenty of people on here reckon it wasn't a penalty. Did we all miss it? Is it not more likely that your opinion (whisper it gently) is not treated as gospel by the rest of the world?

One of the difficulties in modern football especially, is who is responsible for the collision if one player moves into the path of another. In the past it used to be called obstruction by and large, but now there is a school of thought that using your body to block an opponent makes him guilty of the foul. It's a grey area, not an open-and-shut case.

They'd be a free kick everytime a player shielded the ball out of play if that was the case, if the defender doesn't knee the back of Armstrong's leg then he's free to get a shot off at goal.
The ones saying he initiated the contact are probably the same ones who cried wolf when Trafford initiated contact against Luton but didn't get the foul.

[bobinho]

If that’s Maguire on Foster last season, you’re all screaming for a pen - and so you should be. It’s a pen.

[Benson]

They'd be a free kick everytime a player shielded the ball out of play if that was the case, if the defender doesn't knee the back of Armstrong's leg then he's free to get a shot off at goal.
The ones saying he initiated the contact are probably the same ones who cried wolf when Trafford initiated contact against Luton but didn't get the foul.

Amazing that you’ve managed to shoehorn a dig at Trafford into this conversation.

[taio]

The ones saying he initiated the contact are probably the same ones who cried wolf when Trafford initiated contact against Luton but didn't get the foul.

Did you think it was a foul on Trafford against Luton?

[ecc]

"Absolutely no urgency in a must win game until the last 10 minutes where they were chaotic and all over the place."

Wonder whether Agent Southgate was monitoring the match.

[ArmchairDetective]

If I wrote the rules of modern football then it wouldn't be a pen for me. I thought Armstrong slowed down to initiate the contact. But these days by the letter if the law it probably is a pen and I was very surprised to not see it reviewed by VAR.

[Ric_C]

Looked a pen to me. People on twitter are saying Armstrong grabbed the guys shirt and dragged him down, but this initiation is a little bit after the guy whacks him in the back of the knee. Put it this way, it gets given 100% if that was any of the top 6 sides in the Prem. Of course if it was Burnley, then they would go the same way as last night

Think he should have been sent to the screen to take a look at least.

[dsr]

They'd be a free kick everytime a player shielded the ball out of play if that was the case, if the defender doesn't knee the back of Armstrong's leg then he's free to get a shot off at goal.
The ones saying he initiated the contact are probably the same ones who cried wolf when Trafford initiated contact against Luton but didn't get the foul.

Armstrong was moving away from the ball. the ball was on his right and he moved to the left.

The question is, what did the defender do wrong? He was running behind and to the left of Armstrong who shifted into his path. Is that sufficient to say that the defender deliberately tripped Armstrong? Remember that for it to be deliberate, the defender either has to intend to trip him, or else has to be making a deliberate action that results in tripping him. There is a school of thought, not shared by all, that just running back chasing the forward is not sufficient of an offence to be a foul; many people believe that the defender ought to be allowed to chase back and if the forward chooses to block him rather than to go for the ball, that's his own lookout.