Muric to Ipswich

[GodIsADeeJay81]

How much did Ramsdale go for?

He was first choice until last season

[gawthorpe_view]

I'm not sure how I managed to post that three times.

Usually happens to me when after posting a message, I go back to the thread and I don't refresh the page, I don't see my new post and repost it.

[Newcastleclaret93]

How much did Ramsdale go for?

Ramsdale was first choice. Same as Trafford.

Both fell away

[Rileybobs]

Not entirely sure I agree with you Riley. I think the aspect of money ball we tried to encapture the most was the spread. Money ball encompassed stats based on players ability's to score, get on first base ect. Not too dissimilar to targeting stats like goals and assists and trying to work out an average over the season saying we need to score x amount and concede X amount.

Personally I think we money balled it with our choices out wide. We took multiple wide men and maximised the squad out with players who maybe only had a spattering of appearances over there careers but maybe brought 2/3 goals and 4/5 or assists a season. I think we probably were well aware players like Benson might, in minutes, play something like only ten games across the season. But his contribution adding a few goals and assists would be enough providing all the squad achieved there anticipated goals and assists targets.

It would also make sense as to why we overloaded the squad so much.

I can see why a lot of people think we operated a money ball system under the last regime. But a large part of money ball is the contribution of the squad as a whole. It's not something we ever maximised under the previous regime which is why we had such a consistent first 11.

Id compare it like this. Under Dyche we looked for the best value but someone who could provide the need to the first team.
We'd sign players that would play for 30-40 games a season and aim to get as high as stats out of them as possible.
Under Kompany we had three players that might play that one position all 10/15 games a season and be happy with a split of a couple of goals and assists from each of them.

Fair enough if that’s how you see it. But under Garlick we had consistently one of the lowest spends and bought unfashionable British and Irish players and prioritised on-field success above all else. Under the new regime the priority appears to be making a return from trading huge numbers of players bought for a significant outlay. I don’t think the idea is to get 2 goals from each of our 8 wingers across a season, I think it’s to buy 8 young wingers and hope that 1 or 2 of them are a success and soar in value.

I see no similarity whatsoever with Moneyball and how we now operate. If I recall correctly, the player trades made in that example were purely made to give the team on-field success.

[Steddyman]

I wouldn't be nervous with Trafford in the Championship. I'm sure he will come good with enough time and experience.

But, I don't think it matters, he won't be here either when the window shuts.

[jlup1980]

We've had better, but we've had much much worse. We all know he should have started last season as no.1, but didn't, and that was the start of the end.

He played really well at the tail end of the season, but we can't forget he was also at fault for the worst two goals we conceded all season (and that's saying something!). We'll no doubt see more of the same at Ipswich. He'll be 9/10 one week and 3/10 the next. That's Muric, and why I really don't think he would have worked under Parker. He strikes me as a Manager who would take a solid 7/10 every week over an erratic goalkeeper.

Thanks for the memories Aro; his outrageous passing range gave me more than a few heart attacks, but there's no denying he was a class act in the Championship and will be fondly remembered.

[boatshed bill]

Ramsdale was first choice. Same as Trafford.

Both fell away

For a while, he was.

[quoonbeatz]

Muric is a decent enough championship/bottom half of the PL keeper, no more than that. Some incredible passing at times, better than the vast majority of keepers at that level and great fun to have when he's in a team that is miles better than the rest. Erratic as they come though and miles below the level of the 3 amigos we had under dyche. Fun while he lasted and we've got the money side of it pretty spot on with him.

[beddie]

I keep reading about ‘we’ll tear the championship up with this team” hardly, they’ll have all left before we kick a ball. I think we’re in for a tough season.

[Cirrus_Minor]

Sad to see Muric leave but part of me would like to see some 'normality' in our goalkeepers and put the three ring circus into posterity.

[Clive 1960]

The way he was treated at start of last season doesn't surprise me if he wants to leave and maybe a few more might follow..

[claretskeith]

I keep reading about ‘we’ll tear the championship up with this team” hardly, they’ll have all left before we kick a ball. I think we’re in for a tough season.

That's the spirit. You continue to get behind the team.

[billyhamilton82]

I will have to see who we replace him with before I decide how I feel about this.

I'm guessing we have another young keeper lined up...

Fully agree.

The success of this deal can only be assessed on who we replace him with.

As someone else has mentioned, Michael Cooper at Plymouth is a very good young keeper but not sure on his ability to play out from the back.

At 24 he would fit our buy and sell on for a profit strategy.

This may also mean we keep Trafford?

[Jakubclaret]

They'll have nothing lined up or if they do it'll be nothing of any note, wayne Henderson was supposed to be solving problems he lasted a very short time, BPF wasn't properly assessed. After Pope Heaton Hart it's all scrag ends a club that's runs properly shouldn't be having these sort of problems where 2 keepers are likely to leave & for whatever reason a elbow & arsehole couldn't make it's mind up who got the jersey. A keeper should already be established & bedded in.

[warksclaret]

Fully agree.

The success of this deal can only be assessed on who we replace him with.

As someone else has mentioned, Michael Cooper at Plymouth is a very good young keeper but not sure on his ability to play out from the back.

At 24 he would fit our buy and sell on for a profit strategy.

This may also mean we keep Trafford?

Just an observation-we have been talking about signing Cooper at Plymouth for some time, in fact since before VK joined us. If he is such a good prospect why has not a PL side signed him

[ksrclaret]

& for whatever reason a elbow & arsehole couldn't make it's mind up who got the jersey.

I'm not sure you've quite mastered the best use of this phrase yet, Jakub.

[Jakubclaret]

I'm not sure you've quite mastered the best use of this phrase yet, Jakub.

I'm in excellent company & I'm more than willing to learn from the masters.

[dougcollins]

You just need to learn your arse from your elbow.

[Jakubclaret]

I do I couldn't edit henderson & hennessey due to the timeout & predictive text earlier about dean henderson but pick me up on my spelling mistakes & not why 2 keepers are potentially leaving. You are the masters & I'm the willing pupil in the art of anatomy arrangement.

[NewClaret]

Just catching up on this news and haven’t read the whole thread, but a few thoughts:

- Whoever leaves in the summer this’ll be the hardest one for me to take. I think we’ve wasted a talent here. Who knows what went on behind closed doors but it looks Kompany’s fault from the outside. I’ve not said much bad about him but I called for Muric from the first game and he didn’t get it right until game 29; his biggest mistake.

- I’m probably alone but I think the reported fees are ridiculously cheap. They’re paying a fortune for other average players. That sort of doubles the blow. Feel Oace has been weak here.

- I thought he’d end up somewhere bigger than Ipswich. Unlikely I know but I sort of hope this news triggers a last minute bid from someone better.

- I think his contribution to our Championship winning side is hugely underestimated. How he pushed up in the back line and made a 12th man, and his ability to start attacks by finding a threaded pass into a midfielder when most keepers would play a safe ball to FB, his movement immediately after his first pass to make an option to receive again, etc. have we had better traditional goalkeepers? Yes. Have we had a better modern goalkeeper? Absolutely not.

- If we’re not going to play that style under Parker we won’t miss him as much. But I personally think if we don’t play that style under Parker we’ll find and immediate return much harder. We won’t breeze it anyway, it’ll be a slog.

- I personally hope Trafford stays now and we all get behind him. He’s a lot to learn but this is the league he should’ve done it in in the first place.

- I hope to feck the club know what they’re doing and have replacements lined up for BPF, Muric and most likely Vigeroux. Oh, and a coach about now would be nice too.

[Blyclaret]

Muric at best was an average keeper. Prone to a mistake. He made 2 horror mistakes in what 10 games that possibly would have kept us up. Il take 10 million

[AGENT_CLARET]

She says your's is the local bike

Nonayforever I'll apologise for that childish comment I made to you.

Not an excuse but a reason to why I did that is anything to do with my mother is a raw subject, just over 2 years ago out of the blue she suffered a brain hemorrhage and that changed her life and ours for ever.

Even though she was 81 at the time she walked from Harle syke everyday to the St Peter's centre in Burnley to swim for an hr then walk home again, she was a very physical fit lady for her age, The hemorrhage kept her in hospital for over a year and she now lives in a nursing home with hardly any memory and in a wheelchair, she's an ex nurse and knows more than most what this did to her.

The reason I've said all this is I know I come out with stupid things at time but we all need to think before we post.

Once again I opologise I shouldn't of bitten.

[AGENT_CLARET]

Muric at best was an average keeper. Prone to a mistake. He made 2 horror mistakes in what 10 games that possibly would have kept us up. Il take 10 million

One mistake was a million to one rebound off a player the other was poor control of a ball that should never be passed back to the keeper on target, it's taught to be passed back wide just incase of that exact thing.

What could of kept us up was many many thing's other than Muric's last 10 game's

[Hipper]

The previous management has gone so I don't see why Muric should want to leave because of last season. It should give him a new opportunity to prove himself.

I suspect it's more likely that either Parker is OK with him going or Muric wants another go at The Premier League - and who can blame him for that. He'll also likely get more money presumably, and another few years contract.

[The Shire Claret]

Can we also just accept that Ipswich are now in the PL and it’s considered a move up for him.

He has an opportunity to stay in the Premier League

I’ll be gutted if he’s going but I wish him the very best

Ipswich play attractive football so I see exactly why they want him.

If they don’t stay up though - I think he could end up being a less attractive purchase to PL teams next time

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[Caballo]

Muric at best was an average keeper. Prone to a mistake. He made 2 horror mistakes in what 10 games that possibly would have kept us up. Il take 10 million

Let's hope his replacement has the same 'reach' as your comment.

[Nonayforever]

Nonayforever I'll apologise for that childish comment I made to you.

Not an excuse but a reason to why I did that is anything to do with my mother is a raw subject, just over 2 years ago out of the blue she suffered a brain hemorrhage and that changed her life and ours for ever.

Even though she was 81 at the time she walked from Harle syke everyday to the St Peter's centre in Burnley to swim for an hr then walk home again, she was a very physical fit lady for her age, The hemorrhage kept her in hospital for over a year and she now lives in a nursing home with hardly any memory and in a wheelchair, she's an ex nurse and knows more than most what this did to her.

The reason I've said all this is I know I come out with stupid things at time but we all need to think before we post.

Once again I opologise I shouldn't of bitten.

Thank you for the apology. It is gratefully accepted.
I am so sorry to hear about your mother.
My mother is 85 and thankfully in good health and follows Burnley with a passion still.
We are all Burnley fans and should stick together not bicker.
Difference of opinion is good, it sometimes needs phrasing better in some cases and I am probably guilty of this just like many others.
Onwards and upwards.

[warksclaret]

Reading posts on here in the last few days I hope Scotty can steady the ship and morale within-probably for me his biggest initial task, as we have some very talented players. We want to see the potential of these players developed in our team rather than them go to our competitors. Having said that we have a few that need to find other clubs and I hope Jackson can provide constructive feedback for Scotty on players like Twine, McNally, Obefemi and Roberts to name a few

[Newcastleclaret93]

Muric at best was an average keeper. Prone to a mistake. He made 2 horror mistakes in what 10 games that possibly would have kept us up. Il take 10 million

Your right,

Specifically at premier league level. That league is dominated with the best keepers in the world and if I’m honest I think Muric has found his level.

Somewhere like an Ipswich fighting relegation is probably right.

[boyyanno]

I think this is a bad move from us and also maybe a bad one for Muric.

I think had he featured more last year/had the full season he would have got a much better move and a much bigger fee.

I appreciate he made two very costly errors. But out of the 10 games or so that he played I thought he was MOM or close to in the other 8. I just don't think 8-10m is fair value for him personally.

[RVclaret]

10m rising to 15m seems like a fair price to me.

Cooper from Plymouth or Rushworth on loan from Brighton would be two very good replacements for 5m/loan fee.

[quoonbeatz]

Once a player wants to leave you just have to get the best price you can for them so I'm not sure how its a bad nove from us. It's pretty telling Ipswich are the only ones in for him.

[NewClaret]

10m rising to 15m seems like a fair price to me.

Cooper from Plymouth or Rushworth on loan from Brighton would be two very good replacements for 5m/loan fee.

There’s no way I want our main keeper to be a loanee.

If I’m honest I don’t know a lot about either of them, but both seem highly rated by fans.

Will Rushworth ever getting in ahead of Steele and Verbruggen? If he wants a shot at being #1 in a team that has a decent chance of reaching the premier league again, maybe he’d be open to a move?

Mory Diaw previously linked. Looks Muric-esque with his feet, but I can’t see us going down that route again for whatever reason. Hope we do have a plan anyway.

[RVclaret]

There’s no way I want our main keeper to be a loanee.

If I’m honest I don’t know a lot about either of them, but both seem highly rated by fans.

Will Rushworth ever getting in ahead of Steele and Verbruggen? If he wants a shot at being #1 in a team that has a decent chance of reaching the premier league again, maybe he’d be open to a move?

Mory Diaw previously linked. Looks Muric-esque with his feet, but I can’t see us going down that route again for whatever reason. Hope we do have a plan anyway.

I want us promoted over anything so couldn’t care less if the keeper was on loan or not.

[Mattster]

Just an observation-we have been talking about signing Cooper at Plymouth for some time, in fact since before VK joined us. If he is such a good prospect why has not a PL side signed him

Timing.

Suffered an injury at back end of Plymouth's promotion season so missed the start of their Championship season - so out injured through the summer transfer window. Prior to that Plymouth didn't want to sell as he was key to promotion in their eyes and he was under long term contract, he was then key to survival during at the January window. However, they have now stayed in the Championship and he is into the final year of his contract so they have to sell.

[NewClaret]

I want us promoted over anything so couldn’t care less if the keeper was on loan or not.

We just have the problem next year then.

I assume we’re discounting Trafford staying here, in which case we could be selling £30-£40m of keepers. If we’re doing that we should be replacing them with a permanent solution.

[taio]

We just have the problem next year then.

I assume we’re discounting Trafford staying here, in which case we could be selling £30-£40m of keepers. If we’re doing that we should be replacing them with a permanent solution.

I me we make £30m - £40m from the keepers it would presumably also encourage the Board to invest again in permanent signings.

[RVclaret]

We just have the problem next year then.

I assume we’re discounting Trafford staying here, in which case we could be selling £30-£40m of keepers. If we’re doing that we should be replacing them with a permanent solution.

Sure but if Rushworth (or another) is the best possible option and he helps us get promoted then so what, replacing one or two loanees shouldn’t be an issue. Almost every single promoted squad has loanees. Next year isn’t the focus.

[IanMcL]

Fully agree.

The success of this deal can only be assessed on who we replace him with.

As someone else has mentioned, Michael Cooper at Plymouth is a very good young keeper but not sure on his ability to play out from the back.

At 24 he would fit our buy and sell on for a profit strategy.

This may also mean we keep Trafford?

Big sell on fee for Man City. Not sure how much will be left for Burnley, if 8-10 m.

[Darthlaw]

I did ask who with a decent budget would be in for Muric and here’s the answer.

I did think we’d fetch £10m+ for him but once a player starts the missing training shenanigans they force your hand.

Interesting Wout is vilified by some but he at least had the good grace to come back to pre season training.

[daveisaclaret]

It's quickly become an article of faith on here that Muric has refused to come back to pre season training. Given Trafford doesn't seem to be there either, and given their international commitments in June ended one day apart, does this not seem like a bit of a rush to judgement?

[Quickenthetempo]

Sure but if Rushworth (or another) is the best possible option and he helps us get promoted then so what, replacing one or two loanees shouldn’t be an issue. Almost every single promoted squad has loanees. Next year isn’t the focus.

It's a little bizarre that we would be looking for loans when we have the biggest squad in our history.

[Burnley1989]

I'll not lose any sleep with this one, I liked him in the way we played under VK, arguably one of the best keepers in the world with his feet, but still scared me to death

[NL Claret]

It's quickly become an article of faith on here that Muric has refused to come back to pre season training. Given Trafford doesn't seem to be there either, and given their international commitments in June ended one day apart, does this not seem like a bit of a rush to judgement?

It doesn’t matter if he did or didn’t return to pre-season training. Muric has or is leaving. He is the past.

Not sure why Trafford gets brought into the equation.

Hopefully Trafford is out of door too and we can move on from Muric v Trafford debate.

[mdd2]

Is Andy Farrell still registered? Did a fine job as a sub goalkeeper in one match. Think he played all 11 positions in his time with us

[billyhamilton82]

Big sell on fee for Man City. Not sure how much will be left for Burnley, if 8-10 m.

Excluding add ons for both buying and selling and based on the lowest figure quoted.

Bought for 3 m Euros and sold for (£8m) 9.3m Euros

9.3m - 3m = Profit of 6.3m Euros

Man City 25% sell on profit receive 1.575 Euros.

Therefore BFC receive 4.725m Euros as profit.

Approximately £4m profit.

Obviously if it is based on £10m as has been suggested we receive more.

If we wanted to, from figures mentioned it would suggeest we could buy Michael Cooper with the profit generated from the Muric deal alone.

Good business IMO

[daveisaclaret]

It doesn’t matter if he did or didn’t return to pre-season training. Muric has or is leaving. He is the past.

Not sure why Trafford gets brought into the equation.

Hopefully Trafford is out of door too and we can move on from Muric v Trafford debate.

I think it does matter a bit if people are slagging him off for something he might not have actually done.

[NL Claret]

I think it does matter a bit if people are slagging him off for something he might not have actually done.

Posters all season have slagged off players for something they have not actually done. That appears to be fair game however the slightest criticism of Muric and some posters go into meltdown.

I really don’t care, Muric is no longer a Claret and does not want to be a Claret. It’s goodbye from me.

As I said, I hope both go.

[ecc]

We don’t have to sell
We have parachute payments
We will most likely have relegation clauses so wages aren’t a problem

He probably wants to go, that’s the only thing

I've not got too many examples in my mind of relegated clubs not selling players.

[ecc]

Hi quoonbeatz

"Some incredible passing at times, better than the vast majority of keepers at that level .... and great fun to have when he's in a team that is miles better than the rest. "

I think the end of your sentence best sums him up.

He made a number of clangers in the Championship but we scored so many it usually didn't matter. That was obviously completely different last season.

We need a "standard" experienced keeper. No frills. One who does the essentials and can command his defence.