Muric to Ipswich

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Can’t blame him for wanting to leave after last season.

Had enough playing for clueless individuals and the purple potions probably.

[Jimmymaccer]

Bring back Tom Heaton………..

[CoolClaret]

It still baffles me just how much of a mess VK made last season.

Ipswich are making all the type of signings that a sensible team coming up from the Championship should make.

Bit gutted about this one as I believe there was still scope for growth with a lot of talent there but whatever.

[Firthy]

Can’t blame him for wanting to leave after last season.

Had enough playing for clueless individuals and the purple potions probably.

But Kompany has gone and we have a new manager so don't get this reasoning. I can understand if he gets the chance to play in the Premier League but not because of what happened last season.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

But Kompany has gone and we have a new manager so don't get this reasoning. I can understand if he gets the chance to play in the Premier League but not because of what happened last season.

He was treated terribly until the last ten games, who knows what went on behind the scenes.

Plays for a new manager all the big teams wanted and gets to be a nailed on number one which he should have been here.

Improved wages and in premier league, can’t see any down sides to this for him.

£8-10 m is a joke for his talent. Again we have under sold a cracking keeper.

[Goliath]

We will never have a more talented keeper in our lifetime. I include Pope and Heaton in this.

[PremierLeagueClass]

We will never have a more talented keeper in our lifetime. I include Pope and Heaton in this.

Certainly responsible for two of the worst goalkeeping errors in our lifetime.

[Goliath]

Certainly responsible for two of the worst goalkeeping errors in our lifetime.

Doesn't alter my point.

[taio]

We will never have a more talented keeper in our lifetime. I include Pope and Heaton in this.

I like Muric and he's got plenty of time on his hands but I find that just bizarre

[Stan Tastic]

We will never have a more talented keeper in our lifetime. I include Pope and Heaton in this.

[NickBFC]

A bit disappointed by this, as proven in the Championship last time. I rate him but you can't deny he has more than enough potential to provide an absolute howler. We could be looking at 3 new keepers for the season at this rate, not ideal.

[sjb]

We will never have a more talented keeper in our lifetime. I include Pope and Heaton in this.

I presume you missed the laughing emoji off by accident?

[Goliath]

I presume some of you don't know the difference between 'most talented' and 'best'.
Unfortunately Muric hasn't yet shown to have the incredible mentality of the other 2. Neither of which were the most talented in the world (Pope especially) but got to the top through sheer determination, consistency and having incredibly strong mentalities.

Muric has again proved with his decision to go AWOL that he really is missing a lot in the mentality side of things.

[randomclaret2]

We will never have a more talented keeper in our lifetime. I include Pope and Heaton in this.

Paul Robinson, Joe Hart, Tom Heaton and Nick Pope all considerably better keepers.

[Goliath]

Paul Robinson, Joe Hart, Tom Heaton and Nick Pope all considerably better keepers.

Heaton and Pope definitely yes. Hart probably but he was never as good as Heaton and Pope, he just timed his break into the City team very well and was then flattered by outstanding shotstopping displays against Dortmund and Madrid when he was kept very busy.

Robinson was always poor at the top level. He got very lucky. Muric is a far better keeper at basically every aspect of the game.

As I've said though I wasn't saying Muric was better than anyone, I was saying the most talented. I don't see how that's a controversial statement really.

[warksclaret]

It still baffles me just how much of a mess VK made last season.

Ipswich are making all the type of signings that a sensible team coming up from the Championship should make.

Bit gutted about this one as I believe there was still scope for growth with a lot of talent there but whatever.

McKenna is very astute. His most inspired signing could be Jacob Greave of Hull City, before a PL team stepped in. I identified him as one of the standout young central defenders in the Championship several times on this forum. He also found it easy to get Hutchinson to sign for Ipswich after a brilliant season just gone, on loan at Ipswich. A very exciting and direct wide man from Chelsea

[equinox]

Plays for a new manager all the big teams wanted and gets to be a nailed on number one which he should have been her

He won't be number one for long.

Good keepers are consistent, Muric is consistently inconsistent.

[Culmclaret]

I was a great fan of Muric in the Championship winning team. He fitted our style of play, entertained (who can forget that nutmeg) and improved steadily through that season. Parker will no doubt set us up differently and Muric’s key attribute, which is his distribution, will probably not be mission critical. If we get good money for him he might as well go.

[IanMcL]

Excluding add ons for both buying and selling and based on the lowest figure quoted.

Bought for 3 m Euros and sold for (£8m) 9.3m Euros

9.3m - 3m = Profit of 6.3m Euros

Man City 25% sell on profit receive 1.575 Euros.

Therefore BFC receive 4.725m Euros as profit.

Approximately £4m profit.

Well it starts at £8m so that halves the initial profit.
The fact that we have taken a keeper from nowhere to become a superb shot stopper, over 2 seasons, deserves more, in my opinion.

Obviously if it is based on £10m as has been suggested we receive more.

If we wanted to, from figures mentioned it would suggeest we could buy Michael Cooper with the profit generated from the Muric deal alone.

Good business IMO

[KRBFC]

We will never have a more talented keeper in our lifetime. I include Pope and Heaton in this.

[warksclaret]

Whether you like Muric or not, despite two big blunders last season, you can't dislike him, and that after a marathon wait to get in the team. He has some box appeal. I felt exactly the same with Colin Waldron-he would make some real howlers one game and be the reason for losing, but then would be a colossus in the next few. If he goes to Ipswich and Ipswich are on TV I will look forward to seeing him once again.

[KRBFC]

As with all players, if you don’t want to be here, then I don’t want you here, F off (respectfully) and shut the door on your way out!

[randomclaret2]

Heaton and Pope definitely yes. Hart probably but he was never as good as Heaton and Pope, he just timed his break into the City team very well and was then flattered by outstanding shotstopping displays against Dortmund and Madrid when he was kept very busy.

Robinson was always poor at the top level. He got very lucky. Muric is a far better keeper at basically every aspect of the game.

As I've said though I wasn't saying Muric was better than anyone, I was saying the most talented. I don't see how that's a controversial statement really.

Robinson and Hart won 116 England caps between them

[equinox]

He has some box appeal. I felt exactly the same with Colin Waldron

Now this is new ground, even by this forum standards, comparing Muric with Colin Waldron.

[Boss Hogg]

Robinson and Hart won 116 England caps between them

But were not better keepers for us than Muric.
Heaton best imo followed by Pope. Muric considerably better than Pope with his feet though. The thing is with Muric is he did entertain, despite the odd howler, which is part of the reason I go to a match.

[beddie]

Paul Robinson, Joe Hart, Tom Heaton and Nick Pope all considerably better keepers.

The only issue with all of the above is that none of them were any good with their feet compared to Muric.

[spt_claret]

Gutted at this. Can fully understand him wanting somewhere fresh after what went on last season but hoped he'd be willing to stay and give Parker a chance, but no brainer from his perspective. #1 in the league above on a bigger wage.
We'll now have to recruit two keepers. This is really not a good position to be in, anyone saying "good business" is not seeing the bigger picture and taking it for granted that we can just easily find a Championship Team of the Year keeper for less than we just sold Muric for. If the transfer business was that simple every club would sell their entire squad every year.

[bobinho]

We will never have a more talented keeper in our lifetime. I include Pope and Heaton in this.

Put the glass down and get yourself off home lad, you’ve had more than enough.

[ecc]

We will never have a more talented keeper in our lifetime. I include Pope and Heaton in this.

Wow.

[Goliath]

If you think Nick Pope is more TALENTED than Muric then you are out of your mind. Better keeper at present yes, more talented absolutely not.

[taio]

If you think Nick Pope is more TALENTED than Muric then you are out of your mind. Better keeper at present yes, more talented absolutely not.

Absolutely bonkers saying we haven't or won't have a more talented goalkeeper in our lifetime.

[equinox]

If you think Nick Pope is more TALENTED than Muric then you are out of your mind. Better keeper at present yes, more talented absolutely not.

You keep mentioning 'talent' even capitalising it in the quoted post, elaborate please, is he a better dancer, singer, table tennis player? Is that what you mean?

[Tresor'sTracksuit]

Anyone heard from Nori lately?

[warksclaret]

Now this is new ground, even by this forum standards, comparing Muric with Colin Waldron.

The comparison is about my emotions that both created for ME. Its not a comparision between the two players themselves. I dont think you can

[Stonehouse]

Robinson and Hart won 116 England caps between them

I think both were past their sell-by dates when they played for us.

[Goliath]

You keep mentioning 'talent' even capitalising it in the quoted post, elaborate please, is he a better dancer, singer, table tennis player? Is that what you mean?

He has a potentially higher ceiling than either Heaton or Pope because of the attributes he possesses. The trick is bringing them all.together into a reliable package which I doubt will ever happen. I doubt he has the mentality or dedication to find the consistency needed to get right to the top.

He has the size to dominate his box which we've seen regularly along with a much improved reading and anticipation of the ball. His shot stopping is fantastic as are most keepers at Prem level.
His ability on the ball is up there with the very best and he also positions well and is proactive in anticipating through balls.

Again the problem is consistency, he's very good at each facet of the game but he has to cut out the mistakes.

[beddie]

Kompany’s failure not to play him has brought this about. Shocking that we’re losing him.

[taio]

Kompany’s failure not to play him has brought this about. Shocking that we’re losing him.

No, he'll be going because he wants to play at a higher level than Championship if given the opportunity

Although if you believe we'd have stayed up if Muric had played all season, which is debatable, then I can see you point.

[Claretnick]

Whether you like Muric or not, despite two big blunders last season, you can't dislike him, and that after a marathon wait to get in the team. He has some box appeal. I felt exactly the same with Colin Waldron-he would make some real howlers one game and be the reason for losing, but then would be a colossus in the next few. If he goes to Ipswich and Ipswich are on TV I will look forward to seeing him once again.

Frankly his attitude, even during the promotion season, was poor, never gave the impression he was happy to be playing for the Clarets. Sulky and surly he could never be a likeable character. As for comparing him with Colin Waldron well words fail me....
He wants away so he's getting his wish, we need 100% committment next season...or, out you go...

[equinox]

He has a potentially higher ceiling than either Heaton or Pope because of the attributes he possesses. The trick is bringing them all.together into a reliable package which I doubt will ever happen. I doubt he has the mentality or dedication to find the consistency needed to get right to the top.

He has the size to dominate his box which we've seen regularly along with a much improved reading and anticipation of the ball. His shot stopping is fantastic as are most keepers at Prem level.
His ability on the ball is up there with the very best and he also positions well and is proactive in anticipating through balls.

Again the problem is consistency, he's very good at each facet of the game but he has to cut out the mistakes.

Thanks fair do's

My opinion:

He's a big lad that, whilst he's got better, doesn't dominate his box, remember when teams used to swing crosses in when we had Pope in goal? You just knew, you knew Nick would collect. Not with Muric.

His shot shopping...he isn't agile, he doesn't have that physique, he's a big lump that fills the goal so will therefore save the ones he should, Tom Heaton used to defy the laws of gravity.

His distribution is probably his strong point but also his biggest weakness, he'll try the Hollywood pass and often pull it off but do you know why he's prepared to try it in the first place? Because fundamentally he doesn't really care if it works or not and that there lies your problem with mavericks like Muric.

It's an insult to say he has more talent than Heaton and Pope.

[warksclaret]

Frankly his attitude, even during the promotion season, was poor, never gave the impression he was happy to be playing for the Clarets. Sulky and surly he could never be a likeable character. As for comparing him with Colin Waldron well words fail me....
He wants away so he's getting his wish, we need 100% committment next season...or, out you go...

Kindly read my post above Claretnick-the comparison is not between the players, but in the emotions they both created for me.

[CoolClaret]

Thanks fair do's

My opinion:

He's a big lad that, whilst he's got better, doesn't dominate his box, remember when teams used to swing crosses in when we had Pope in goal? You just knew, you knew Nick would collect. Not with Muric.

His shot shopping...he isn't agile, he doesn't have that physique, he's a big lump that fills the goal so will therefore save the ones he should, Tom Heaton used to defy the laws of gravity.

His distribution is probably his strong point but also his biggest weakness, he'll try the Hollywood pass and often pull it off but do you know why he's prepared to try it in the first place? Because fundamentally he doesn't really care if it works or not and that there lies your problem with mavericks like Muric.

It's an insult to say he has more talent than Heaton and Pope.

Aye it's just like having Homer Simpson in net with Muric - just stands there and the ball bounces off him.

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=700786832088763

[equinox]

Aye it's just like having Homer Simpson in net with Muric - just stands there and the ball bounces off him.

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=700786832088763

Hey, good save but where should a keeper anticipate that a left footer is going to try and bend it to?

The lad didn't find the top corner, so save it.

[CoolClaret]

Hey, good save but where should a keeper anticipate that a left footer is going to try and bend it to?

The lad didn't find the top corner, so save it.

Yep - left footers never ever hit it across the keeper, ever... Just that easy isn't it.

[equinox]

Yep - left footers never ever hit it across the keeper, ever... Just that easy isn't it.

Didn't he look lean and fit that game? Well and truly on it, like he had a point to prove?

...and then.

[Goliath]

Thanks fair do's

My opinion:

He's a big lad that, whilst he's got better, doesn't dominate his box, remember when teams used to swing crosses in when we had Pope in goal? You just knew, you knew Nick would collect. Not with Muric.

His shot shopping...he isn't agile, he doesn't have that physique, he's a big lump that fills the goal so will therefore save the ones he should, Tom Heaton used to defy the laws of gravity.

His distribution is probably his strong point but also his biggest weakness, he'll try the Hollywood pass and often pull it off but do you know why he's prepared to try it in the first place? Because fundamentally he doesn't really care if it works or not and that there lies your problem with mavericks like Muric.

It's an insult to say he has more talent than Heaton and Pope.

Comments like 'defy the laws of gravity' show a complete lack of neutrality which is the problem with debates like this. Heaton my favourite ever Burnley keeper but let's not get silly.

The sounds coming out of Newcastle recently suggests Pope's time is ticking as number 1 there. It had to happen because I just think they have a huge disadvantage in possession with him in net.
Heatons never been a number 1 at a top club, so let's remember that these 2 aren't perfect keepers. They were 2 that maximised their ability.
Muric is on the other end of the scale, he risks being an underachiever. He should be a keeper at a top club at some point with the skills he posseses.

[exilecanada]

It's probably safe to say Muric is the most entertaining goalie I've seen for some time, if ever. Whether it's an inch perfect 70 yard pass to a team mate, using his footwork to get out of trouble in his penalty or one of his famous gaffes. Never a dull moment

[equinox]

The sounds coming out of Newcastle recently suggests Pope's time is ticking as number 1 there.

You've made that up and when people start doing stuff like that it makes me feel buying a Ferrari.

[Goliath]

You've made that up and when people start doing stuff like that it makes me feel buying a Ferrari.

I really haven't.

[KRBFC]

If you think Nick Pope is more TALENTED than Muric then you are out of your mind. Better keeper at present yes, more talented absolutely not.

It’s not even remotely close, Pope is twice the goalkeeper Muric ever will be.

The only area Muric is more talented is with the ball at his feet but they’re goalkeepers and even then Muric is a complete liability with the ball at his feet at the top level when under pressure. We’ve all seen it, Spurs away he gave the ball away 20 times in one half and we were winning the game.