Muric to Ipswich

[BigGaz]

We will never have a more talented keeper in our lifetime. I include Pope and Heaton in this.

Oh wow.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Surprised how long it took before it became another weary Trafford v Muric debate.

I wonder how long it will take for some posters to move on.

Hopefully Parker signs a couple of new reliable keepers and soon.

You've seen nothing yet wait while Muric makes a save on Match of the day

[NL Claret]

You've seen nothing yet wait while Muric makes a save on Match of the day

Don’t!!

I can imagine some will be over analysing Ipswich games and making some random comparisons to Trafford and last season.

[Taffy on the wing]

........................ALL IS DROSS!!!!!!.............................

[Guller Bull]

Hladkey says no

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/ipswi ... av-hladky/

[dsr]

You can see my response to Kenton- "nearly every team Muric faced Trafford also faced" - it doesn't say every single one.

If you can't understand or refuse to accept that Trafford played the majority of the reverse fixtures that Muric played in then you're deluded. Muric only played about 10 games in a row so Trafford had to have.

You can list the fixtures if you want...you'll find I'm right.

Leaving aside all name calling, which is pointless and unhelpful - all this is, is a misunderstanding of what you both mean.

To you, if one goalkeeper faces Sheffield United, and the other faces Sheffield United and Liverpool, neither goalkeeper has had a harder set of fixtures. To other people, the latter is a harder set of fixtures. That's all.

[boyyanno]

Leaving aside all name calling, which is pointless and unhelpful - all this is, is a misunderstanding of what you both mean.

To you, if one goalkeeper faces Sheffield United, and the other faces Sheffield United and Liverpool, neither goalkeeper has had a harder set of fixtures. To other people, the latter is a harder set of fixtures. That's all.

It's obvious that the misunderstanding is deliberate. The context is also important, the claim was that Muric faced easier fixtures than Trafford.

It's impossible for Muric to have easier fixtures when they faced largely the same teams in reverse fixtures. The only way to make it fair if you're looking at the 10 games Muric played is to look at the reverse fixtures for those games.

Trafford played in them. So Muric's fixtures aren't/can't be easier than Traffords because he faced the same clubs. With the greatest of respect that's not a misunderstanding or an opinion, It's a fact.

[bumba]

Quick glance so I maybe wrong but across the 10 reverse fixtures.

Muric conceded 16, team got 10 points.
Trafford conceded 20, team got 5 points.

But it's an agenda against VK and unfair to judge them both off these fixtures

Muric was way way way above Traffords levels every game he played.

[Holtyclaret]

Quick glance so I maybe wrong but across the 10 reverse fixtures.

Muric conceded 16, team got 10 points.
Trafford conceded 20, team got 5 points.

But it's an agenda against VK and unfair to judge them both off these fixtures

Muric was way way way above Traffords levels every game he played.

Apart from spurs away twice, Everton away twice and Brentford at home (is that the game he let the ball roll under is foot?).

[burnley007]

Yawn

[kentonclaret]

It's impossible for Muric to have easier fixtures when they faced largely the same teams in reverse fixtures. The only way to make it fair if you're looking at the 10 games Muric played is to look at the reverse fixtures for those games.

Making comparisons in this way is deeply flawed and misleading without adding context. The Tottenham team that Burnley faced in Sept 23 was playing some scintillating football with Ange receiving rave reviews and picking up the Manager Of The Month award. During the same month as winning 5-2 at Turf Moor they drew at Arsenal and beat Liverpool. The Tottenham team that Muric faced late in the season were in dire form having lost 4 on the spin and Ange being questioned as having been over rated.
The Wolves team that Muric faced at Turf Moor getting a 1-1 draw was decimated by injuries with all of their senior strikers unable to start including Cunha and Neto. These were not largely the same teams as you claim.
Facts not Fiction.

[ecc]

Why oh why do we need to bring Trafford into this? It's a borefest.

[bumba]

Apart from spurs away twice, Everton away twice and Brentford at home (is that the game he let the ball roll under is foot?).

Spurs away in the cup he was at fault for the goal and we looked a better team with him in goal.
Everton away in the cup we looked a better team with him in goal and he wasn't at fault for any goals.
He made a howler against Everton away and Brighton at home, apart from these two he was MOM every game.

Muric is levels above Trafford it seriously isn't hard to see when you watch the game

[boyyanno]

Making comparisons in this way is deeply flawed and misleading without adding context. The Tottenham team that Burnley faced in Sept 23 was playing some scintillating football with Ange receiving rave reviews and picking up the Manager Of The Month award. During the same month as winning 5-2 at Turf Moor they drew at Arsenal and beat Liverpool. The Tottenham team that Muric faced late in the season were in dire form having lost 4 on the spin and Ange being questioned as having been over rated.
The Wolves team that Muric faced at Turf Moor getting a 1-1 draw was decimated by injuries with all of their senior strikers unable to start including Cunha and Neto. These were not largely the same teams as you claim.
Facts not Fiction.

I don't know what you're talking about. My only point here is its incorrect to say Muric had easier fixtures. You've just given another example as to why it can't be said so thankyou.

I don't give a flying one who is better or who faced bigger teams- but i do care about people posting shite like Muric had 10 easier fixtures than Trafford. They may have been easier if you compare them to Trafford Vs Man City, but by the same token they were "harder" than Traffords fixtures if you compare them to Trafford vs Luton.

[Holtyclaret]

Spurs away in the cup he was at fault for the goal and we looked a better team with him in goal.
Everton away in the cup we looked a better team with him in goal and he wasn't at fault for any goals.
He made a howler against Everton away and Brighton at home, apart from these two he was MOM every game.

Muric is levels above Trafford it seriously isn't hard to see when you watch the game

I’m not entering the traff v muric debate but if you going to call it, call it right. (I largely agree with you).

Spurs away in the league he was rotten from start to finish.

I like Traff and Muric but both have a lot of development to do with the likelihood being that both need a lot more games and a lot more coaching. For example Muric has played remarkably few 1st team games for his age.

Its with some relief it appears they’re both likely to depart, it’s the most divisive player situation I think I can ever remember in my 40 odd years of being a claret and is now beyond boring and soon to be irrelevant.

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[123EasyasBFC]

Do we know if Trafford is back in training yet?

[rufus lumley]

Spotted in Carrs Billington Country Store on Friday Morning.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

He won't be number one for long.

Good keepers are consistent, Muric is consistently inconsistent.

He’ll probably kick on with a manager that shows faith in him. Got all the attributes to do so. Still young by goalkeeping standards.

[AGENT_CLARET]

Do we know if Trafford is back in training yet?

Today I believe

[Wokingclaret]

Spurs away in the cup he was at fault for the goal and we looked a better team with him in goal.
Everton away in the cup we looked a better team with him in goal and he wasn't at fault for any goals.
He made a howler against Everton away and Brighton at home, apart from these two he was MOM every game.

Muric is levels above Trafford it seriously isn't hard to see when you watch the game

And he was in pre season from the bits we saw

[dsr]

It's obvious that the misunderstanding is deliberate. The context is also important, the claim was that Muric faced easier fixtures than Trafford.

It's impossible for Muric to have easier fixtures when they faced largely the same teams in reverse fixtures. The only way to make it fair if you're looking at the 10 games Muric played is to look at the reverse fixtures for those games.

Trafford played in them. So Muric's fixtures aren't/can't be easier than Traffords because he faced the same clubs. With the greatest of respect that's not a misunderstanding or an opinion, It's a fact.

OK, let's leave the politeness aside and stop pretending it's a misunderstanding. The point is that you believe that a fixture list of Liverpool, Arsenal, Brentford, Sheffield United is no harder than a fixture list of Brentford, Sheffield United. Other people believe it is harder. Other people are entitled to their opinion too. It is neither polite nor necessary to come on here shouting to the world "I am right and you are stupid". Sometimes it's necessary to accept that other people are entitled to their opinion, even when it is different from yours.

[boyyanno]

OK, let's leave the politeness aside and stop pretending it's a misunderstanding. The point is that you believe that a fixture list of Liverpool, Arsenal, Brentford, Sheffield United is no harder than a fixture list of Brentford, Sheffield United. Other people believe it is harder. Other people are entitled to their opinion too. It is neither polite nor necessary to come on here shouting to the world "I am right and you are stupid". Sometimes it's necessary to accept that other people are entitled to their opinion, even when it is different from yours.

That's not what I believe and it's why I said context was important. I've explained numerous times but for the last one:

I agree that playing Man City Vs playing No one is a "harder" fixture.

However the point that was made (not by me) was that Muric had "easier" fixtures than Trafford.

That is an impossibility given everyone Muric faced Trafford had already played against.

Trafford did play in some harder fixtures than Muric, of course he did he played more games. But Murics fixtures weren't any easier than Traffords as they played against the same teams. The distinction is important- that's why I said the context is relevant.

[Hapag Lloyd]

Trafford did play in some harder fixtures than Muric, of course he did.

Hallelujah, got there in the end.

[boyyanno]

Hallelujah, got there in the end.

What's that got to do with the price of fish?

[Elizabeth]

Sometimes it's necessary to accept that other people are entitled to their opinion, even when it is different from yours.

This should be put at the top of all threads

[scamander]

Surely the only way to test all of this is for Trafford to sign for Ipswich as well....

[GetIntoEm]

has anyone planned a Balloon release or similar on the day the transfer is formalised?

[beddie]

has anyone planned a Balloon release or similar on the day the transfer is formalised?

I hope not, those bloody balloons need banning, they cause havoc to livestock, wildlife and fish.

[ŽižkovClaret]

has anyone planned a Balloon release or similar on the day the transfer is formalised?

Well, the plan is to have Muric trap it, so it will probably end up floating off......