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David Moyes on VK

Post by IanMcL » Mon Aug 05, 2024 2:19 pm

As surprised as we were! Comments on persistence of style and inevitable losing.

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Re: David Moyes on VK

Post by CleggHall » Mon Aug 05, 2024 2:22 pm

Common sense straight talking from Moyes, one can but agree.

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Re: David Moyes on VK

Post by ClaretTony » Mon Aug 05, 2024 2:58 pm

Read this earlier today - sensible comments from Moyes

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Re: David Moyes on VK

Post by Spijed » Mon Aug 05, 2024 2:59 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2024 2:58 pm
Read this earlier today - sensible comments from Moyes
Good comments from a top manager.

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Re: David Moyes on VK

Post by equinox » Mon Aug 05, 2024 3:21 pm

'Moyes remains out of work'

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Re: David Moyes on VK

Post by ElectroClaret » Mon Aug 05, 2024 4:29 pm

"....found it perplexing."

Yes. Nowt wrong with politeness. :P

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Re: David Moyes on VK

Post by CoolClaret » Mon Aug 05, 2024 4:44 pm

equinox wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2024 3:21 pm
'Moyes remains out of work'
Only managed 1150 games of professional football, most of which came at the highest level of the game with a 42.52% win percentage... but what does Moyes know, eh?
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Re: David Moyes on VK

Post by equinox » Mon Aug 05, 2024 4:50 pm

CoolClaret wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2024 4:44 pm
Only managed 1150 games of professional football, most of which came at the highest level of the game with a 42.52% win percentage... but what does Moyes know, eh?
It depends on what suits your agenda.

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Re: David Moyes on VK

Post by Royboyclaret » Mon Aug 05, 2024 4:52 pm

CoolClaret wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2024 4:44 pm
Only managed 1150 games of professional football, most of which came at the highest level of the game with a 42.52% win percentage... but what does Moyes know, eh?
Moyes would have been the perfect fit at Turf Moor.....but happy to give Parker the opportunity.
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Re: David Moyes on VK

Post by CoolClaret » Mon Aug 05, 2024 4:59 pm

equinox wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2024 4:50 pm
It depends on what suits your agenda.
No agenda there, just stated a (very) successful manager's record, which suggests that he may have an inkling as to why Vincent Kompany's approach might not have been the best for Burnley Football Club.
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Re: David Moyes on VK

Post by Royboyclaret » Mon Aug 05, 2024 5:02 pm

CoolClaret wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2024 4:59 pm
No agenda there, just stated a (very) successful manager's record, which suggests that he may have an inkling as to why Vincent Kompany's approach might not have been the best for Burnley Football Club.
Nailed it Cool.

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Re: David Moyes on VK

Post by equinox » Mon Aug 05, 2024 5:12 pm

CoolClaret wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2024 4:59 pm
No agenda there, just stated a (very) successful manager's record, which suggests that he may have an inkling as to why Vincent Kompany's approach might not have been the best for Burnley Football Club.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

It's quite obvious that the thread was started to have a go at Kompany and the stick to beat him with this time is an interview with a 61 year old out of work ex football manager.

Vincent Kompany is highly regarded within football circles as an intelligent, progressive young football coach, David Moyes isn't.

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Re: David Moyes on VK

Post by Juan Tanamera » Mon Aug 05, 2024 5:34 pm

equinox wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2024 5:12 pm
Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

It's quite obvious that the thread was started to have a go at Kompany and the stick to beat him with this time is an interview with a 61 year old out of work ex football manager.

Vincent Kompany is highly regarded within football circles as an intelligent, progressive young football coach, David Moyes isn't.
Well no, 61 isn't what you would call young but surely you're not suggesting that a man of Moyes experience isn't highly regarded?

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Re: David Moyes on VK

Post by CoolClaret » Mon Aug 05, 2024 5:38 pm

equinox wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2024 5:12 pm
Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

It's quite obvious that the thread was started to have a go at Kompany and the stick to beat him with this time is an interview with a 61 year old out of work ex football manager.

Vincent Kompany is highly regarded within football circles as an intelligent, progressive young football coach, David Moyes isn't.
I couldn't give two hoots about football circles (not to mention, I'm pretty certain that David Moyes is also pretty highly regarded within them).

Do you think Kompany will make it to 1150 games managed and a 26 year career in (top level) football management? - because there isn't many that do.

Going off Kompany's first crack of the whip, where he failed spectacularly, then I'm not confident.
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Re: David Moyes on VK

Post by helmclaret » Mon Aug 05, 2024 5:43 pm

Failed?

We saw the best Championship team of all time.

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Re: David Moyes on VK

Post by equinox » Mon Aug 05, 2024 5:44 pm

Juan Tanamera wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2024 5:34 pm
Well no, 61 isn't what you would call young but surely you're not suggesting that a man of Moyes experience isn't highly regarded?
He certainly isn't 'highly regarded' as an 'intelligent, progressive young football coach' which is what I inferred to.

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Re: David Moyes on VK

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Mon Aug 05, 2024 5:45 pm

helmclaret wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2024 5:43 pm
Failed?

We saw the best Championship team of all time.
We really didn’t

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Re: David Moyes on VK

Post by Juan Tanamera » Mon Aug 05, 2024 5:46 pm

equinox wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2024 5:44 pm
He certainly isn't 'highly regarded' as an 'intelligent, progressive young football coach' which is what I inferred to.
He was but he got older.

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Re: David Moyes on VK

Post by Royboyclaret » Mon Aug 05, 2024 5:47 pm

CoolClaret wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2024 5:38 pm
I couldn't give two hoots about football circles (not to mention, I'm pretty certain that David Moyes is also pretty highly regarded within them).

Do you think Kompany will make it to 1150 games managed and a 26 year career in (top level) football management? - because there isn't many that do.

Going off Kompany's first crack of the whip, where he failed spectacularly, then I'm not confident.
Simply no comparison.....Moyes wins it hands down.

And I suspect equinox fully understands that.
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Post by equinox » Mon Aug 05, 2024 5:48 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2024 5:45 pm
We really didn’t
It was certainly better than anything Moyes put out at Preston.
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Post by equinox » Mon Aug 05, 2024 5:49 pm

Juan Tanamera wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2024 5:46 pm
He was but he got older.
When?

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Re: David Moyes on VK

Post by Targetman » Mon Aug 05, 2024 5:53 pm

equinox wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2024 5:12 pm
Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

It's quite obvious that the thread was started to have a go at Kompany and the stick to beat him with this time is an interview with a 61 year old out of work ex football manager.

Vincent Kompany is highly regarded within football circles as an intelligent, progressive young football coach, David Moyes isn't.
Neither are you! :roll:
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Re: David Moyes on VK

Post by CoolClaret » Mon Aug 05, 2024 5:57 pm

helmclaret wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2024 5:43 pm
Failed?

We saw the best Championship team of all time.
If you would re-read my comment(s) I made a specific mention of top level football - wasn't including the Championship in that umbrella. Of course we had a splendid season in the Champ under VK.

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Re: David Moyes on VK

Post by Royboyclaret » Mon Aug 05, 2024 6:06 pm

The "word" is that David Moyes thought the job here was his.

Only time will tell if Pace made the correct decision.

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Re: David Moyes on VK

Post by Jakubclaret » Mon Aug 05, 2024 6:11 pm

Royboyclaret wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2024 6:06 pm
The "word" is that David Moyes thought the job here was his.

Only time will tell if Pace made the correct decision.
That's not true I don't think he had a interview or anything he ruled himself out & wanted a break after West ham so wasn't even in contention.

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Re: David Moyes on VK

Post by claretburns » Mon Aug 05, 2024 6:11 pm

Royboyclaret wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2024 6:06 pm
The "word" is that David Moyes thought the job here was his.

Only time will tell if Pace made the correct decision.
Moyes states in his interview we Simon Jordan that he has had a couple of conversations this summer but no more than that and didn't refuse any offers as none were made.

Would have thought the likes of ourselves and Leicester etc may have had the conversations.

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Re: David Moyes on VK

Post by Royboyclaret » Mon Aug 05, 2024 6:13 pm

claretburns wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2024 6:11 pm
Moyes states in his interview we Simon Jordan that he has had a couple of conversations this summer but no more than that and didn't refuse any offers as none were made.

Would have thought the likes of ourselves and Leicester etc may have had the conversations.
Trust me, more than a conversation.

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Re: David Moyes on VK

Post by It Is What It Is » Mon Aug 05, 2024 6:15 pm

Moyes was never given any time at all at Utd.
A very experienced and capable manager.
Big mistake by Fergie not bringing him in as his no 2 after recommending him to the board as his successor. No natural transition at all.
Anyways I'd have loved Moyes at Turf Moor cos I live in Lytham, see him walking in the town a lot, and maybe could have blagged a lift off him on match days! Oh well.

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Post by BigGaz » Mon Aug 05, 2024 6:29 pm

I remain convinced Moyes will manage us at some point. Seems written in the stars to me like too much of a perfect match.
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Re: David Moyes on VK

Post by Juan Tanamera » Mon Aug 05, 2024 6:32 pm

equinox wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2024 5:49 pm
When?
Every year at a guess.

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Re: David Moyes on VK

Post by Royboyclaret » Mon Aug 05, 2024 6:34 pm

BigGaz wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2024 6:29 pm
I remain convinced Moyes will manage us at some point. Seems written in the stars to me like too much of a perfect match.
Remarkable that it didn't happen.

That said.....let's give Scott Parker every opportunity to succeed.
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Re: David Moyes on VK

Post by Jakubclaret » Mon Aug 05, 2024 6:38 pm

It Is What It Is wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2024 6:15 pm
Moyes was never given any time at all at Utd.
A very experienced and capable manager.
Big mistake by Fergie not bringing him in as his no 2 after recommending him to the board as his successor. No natural transition at all.
Anyways I'd have loved Moyes at Turf Moor cos I live in Lytham, see him walking in the town a lot, and maybe could have blagged a lift off him on match days! Oh well.
He didn't really have a big enough name or reputation for united they was on his back from day 1 & in the main they'd already made their mind up about him before he even started. He's a likable bloke is moyes he doesn't try to bullsh1t his way through things & generally calls things fairly.

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Post by Conroy92 » Mon Aug 05, 2024 7:18 pm

helmclaret wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2024 5:43 pm
Failed?

We saw the best Championship team of all time.
They weren't even Burnleys best championship side.
It achieved the highest number of points, I'll give you that.
But that 23 undefeated Dyche team would have **** housed one in in the 93rd minute.

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Re: David Moyes on VK

Post by agreenwood » Mon Aug 05, 2024 7:37 pm

There can never been enough angles on the discussion about VK.

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Post by Vim Fuego » Mon Aug 05, 2024 8:48 pm

It does make two very valid points though.

1. Vincent Kompany hung Burnley Football Club out to dry last season
2. Despite this, the brand of Vincent Kompany was protected

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Post by IanMcL » Tue Aug 06, 2024 10:08 am

equinox wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2024 3:21 pm
'Moyes remains out of work'
By choice.

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Re: David Moyes on VK

Post by IanMcL » Tue Aug 06, 2024 10:12 am

equinox wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2024 5:12 pm
Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

It's quite obvious that the thread was started to have a go at Kompany and the stick to beat him with this time is an interview with a 61 year old out of work ex football manager.

Vincent Kompany is highly regarded within football circles as an intelligent, progressive young football coach, David Moyes isn't.
David Moyes is a very highly regarded experienced manager, who has earned his spurs, several times.

Vincent Kompany was always promoting Vincent Kompany, to the obvious detriment of BFC.

The thread was started as a wise, experienced manager, had a view about our club.
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Post by BleedingClaret » Tue Aug 06, 2024 10:25 am

equinox wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2024 3:21 pm
'Moyes remains out of work'
The 61 year old millionaire, who recently did some well paid punditry work and will probably get a well paid top league job on 5 million pound a year if he bides his time
That Doley

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Re: David Moyes on VK

Post by Stan Tastic » Tue Aug 06, 2024 11:40 am

Those on here that regard Moyes as the second coming would be advised to read the comments under the interview with Simon Jordan on YouTube.

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Re: David Moyes on VK

Post by Falcon » Tue Aug 06, 2024 2:18 pm

I don't think I've ever seen anything remotely sensible written in a youtube comment in my life, so I'd be surprised if there's anything deep and meaningful to be found on that video.

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Post by Raconteur » Tue Aug 06, 2024 2:35 pm

Stan Tastic wrote:
Tue Aug 06, 2024 11:40 am
Those on here that regard Moyes as the second coming would be advised to read the comments under the interview with Simon Jordan on YouTube.
He is not getting any love that's for sure.

I would value the opinions of supporters whose teams he has managed rather than the people's view on here.

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Post by Stan Tastic » Tue Aug 06, 2024 2:44 pm

Falcon wrote:
Tue Aug 06, 2024 2:18 pm
I don't think I've ever seen anything remotely sensible written in a youtube comment in my life, so I'd be surprised if there's anything deep and meaningful to be found on that video.
Why don't you try reading a few and then you can judge whether 'there's anything deep and meaningful'.

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Re: David Moyes on VK

Post by equinox » Tue Aug 06, 2024 2:57 pm

IanMcL wrote:
Tue Aug 06, 2024 10:12 am

Vincent Kompany was always promoting Vincent Kompany, to the obvious detriment of BFC.
If you think Kompanys tenure was to the detriment of Burnley Football Club, educate yourself on what Moyes did to Sunderland.

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Post by equinox » Tue Aug 06, 2024 3:03 pm

Falcon wrote:
Tue Aug 06, 2024 2:18 pm
I don't think I've ever seen anything remotely sensible written in a youtube comment in my life, so I'd be surprised if there's anything deep and meaningful to be found on that video.
What on earth is so suspicious and unworthy of credibility about a YouTube comment?

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Re: David Moyes on VK

Post by IanMcL » Tue Aug 06, 2024 11:56 pm

equinox wrote:
Tue Aug 06, 2024 2:57 pm
If you think Kompanys tenure was to the detriment of Burnley Football Club, educate yourself on what Moyes did to Sunderland.
In the Prem season, Mr K did nothing to stem the tide. He only continued repeating the failed ingredients because it suited him to put his style in the shop window.

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Re: David Moyes on VK

Post by equinox » Wed Aug 07, 2024 6:26 am

IanMcL wrote:
Tue Aug 06, 2024 11:56 pm
In the Prem season, Mr K did nothing to stem the tide. He only continued repeating the failed ingredients because it suited him to put his style in the shop window.
Yawn

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Re: David Moyes on VK

Post by IanMcL » Wed Aug 07, 2024 10:10 am

equinox wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2024 6:26 am
Yawn
Sleeping is what cost us!

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