Berge

[Biggus]

Is he Injured or off to Man Utd?

[ElectroClaret]

Possibly both.

[blatherwickstattoos]

He’s off 100 %

[ElectroClaret]

Good player, but on that showing tonight, we can afford to drag a whacking great fee out of United and still be ok at the back, as long as we keep hold of the rest.

[BigGaz]

He’s off 100 %

No.

[blatherwickstattoos]

No.

Hope you’re right but I think we need to recoup some money

[jedi_master]

If you’re Sander Berge, you’re probably pretty relaxed. If United pay the fee (£30m) they’ll get him, if they don’t, they won’t. I’m sure he realises that this side will be right up there in the top two conversation so he’s more than likely getting back to that league in a years time in a worse case scenario. What will be, will be.

[TheFamilyCat]

If you’re Sander Berge, you’re probably pretty relaxed. If United pay the fee (£30m) they’ll get him, if they don’t, they won’t. I’m sure he realises that this side will be right up there in the top two conversation so he’s more than likely getting back to that league in a years time in a worse case scenario. What will be, will be.

He may well be playing in the same division nextvseason but that's where the similarity ends.

[blatherwickstattoos]

If you’re Sander Berge, you’re probably pretty relaxed. If United pay the fee (£30m) they’ll get him, if they don’t, they won’t. I’m sure he realises that this side will be right up there in the top two conversation so he’s more than likely getting back to that league in a years time in a worse case scenario. What will be, will be.

I think 30k a week or 100k maybe a little factor

[Wembley09]

Not sure if he's injured or not, but if Man Utd are serious then he's 100% off.

[CoolClaret]

I think 30k a week or 100k maybe a little factor

I don't think United are paying daft wages anymore for squad players. Those days are gone.

[blatherwickstattoos]

I don't think United are paying daft wages anymore for squad players. Those days are gone.

Easily double or treble his wage.

[Colburn_Claret]

No idea why he was missing last night, but the only thing that matters is we are a better team with him staying.
Unless someone offers us ridiculous money, we need to ignore them

[morninbob]

Stop the bed wetting, parker confirmed he's got a quad injury, back in training in a few days.

[Quicknick]

From Berge's point of view, he stays at Burnley, he earns a bit less but plays. At Man U, he earns a bit more and doesn't play.

[Clarets4me]

Daily Mail reporting that he was left out yesterday, following interest from Manchester United ... make of that what you will

[ElectroClaret]

Daily Mail reporting that he was left out yesterday, following interest from Manchester United ... make of that what you will

I'd rather listen to our manager than news sources who don't know the facts.
SP says he's injured, that's what I make of it.

[123EasyasBFC]

Daily Mail reporting that he was left out yesterday, following interest from Manchester United ... make of that what you will

Daily mail should have been enough for you, he was injured before the open training day which was before the United interest, him and JBG carrying knocks.

We had Trafford, O’Shea, brownhill, odobert, twine, McNally and weghorst in the squad all have been linked with moves away

[BigGaz]

He isn't Utd's first choice in terms of midfield options. They will finalise only if the others don't come in.

Before that, they have some fairly large fish to fry anyway. It will be later on in the window, it at all he goes to Man U.

Another London based PL club who have shown interest seems to have gone with another pair of options, that's all I can say.

Him leaving is in the balance, but by no means a banker.

[Silkyskills1]

Daily Mail reporting that he was left out yesterday, following interest from Manchester United ... make of that what you will

Sounds like some classic, in-depth journalism from the Daily Mail. You know where you stand with a newspaper like that.

[Rick_Muller]

You know where you stand with a newspaper like that.

Usually just squatting in front of the throne whilst grabbing a handful of that paper ready to wipe

[ClaretPete001]

Believe it or not I think we missed Berge yesterday. If we had his driving runs from midfield to add to Odobert and Kolosheo out wide we would have reached double figures. Ok exaggeration but 5 or 6.

[claretskeith]

Believe it or not I think we missed Berge yesterday. If we had his driving runs from midfield to add to Odobert and Kolosheo out wide we would have reached double figures. Ok exaggeration but 5 or 6.

Who would he have replaced? Certainly not Cullen. And Brownhill played well and scored.

[Row x]

Believe it or not I think we missed Berge yesterday. If we had his driving runs from midfield to add to Odobert and Kolosheo out wide we would have reached double figures. Ok exaggeration but 5 or 6.

Barring hitting the post, and a cracking save, we could have scored 5 or 6 last night anyway

[ervi34]

Who would he have replaced? Certainly not Cullen. And Brownhill played well and scored.

Maybe Vitinho? Moving Odobert wide.

[NewClaret]

If we sell Berge we have to replace him. No way you can go in to a 46 game season with three central midfielders for 2 roles.

Hopefully United get Ugarte.

[jedi_master]

If we sell Berge the obvious option is probably Ben Sheaf. I imagine he would cost between £15-20m though but we need that profile of player with a bit of height. Winning games like last night will make us look a far rosier prospect to players like that now than when we were a bit of a question mark regarding our promotion credentials in the early summer.

[Quickenthetempo]

Let's be honest, United need far better midfielders than Berge.

[Dark Cloud]

It's a really difficult one to call just now. Is he actually injured or are we saying that as cover for protecting him prior to a likely sale? We could play seriously hard ball with any suiters, including Utd, but if we cause him to stay against his will we could easily have a very peed off player on our hands. If he's happy to stay and commit should we not get the money we're looking for , then great, but if his head has been turned keeping him is pointless. Having said that, Berge also has to think about where he will sit in the pecking order at somewhere like Old Trafford because he really won't be at the top end I'd suggest and so the wages might be lovely, but it could be very frustrating playing just a bit part. Obviously we'll see.

[claretskeith]

Maybe Vitinho? Moving Odobert wide.

I thought Vitinho was one of our best players. Great finish too.

[RVclaret]

If we sell Berge we have to replace him. No way you can go in to a 46 game season with three central midfielders for 2 roles.

Hopefully United get Ugarte.

Id consider JBG as a cm under Parker. So there would be 4.

[ClaretPete001]

Who would he have replaced? Certainly not Cullen. And Brownhill played well and scored.

Vitinho. I'm not sure Odobert and Foster will see us through 46 games in a season.

[ClaretPete001]

I thought Vitinho was one of our best players. Great finish too.

He was but the issue isn't Vitinho. It's the ability to break lines. Luton have injury problems and were very naive. Other teams will sit in and cause different problems.

[summitclaret]

He'd replace Vitineo surely, who would have to slot it out with Roberts for rb. That would mean a super fast front 3 that would be perfect for counter attacking, with Berge centrally behind to feed them. .

[ClaretPete001]

He'd replace Vitineo surely, who would have to slot it out with Roberts for rb. That would mean a super fast front 3 that would be perfect for counter attacking, with Berge centrally behind to feed them. .

Exactly this...! From what I could see Luton played man for man with quite a high line. Parker completely did them and their injury issues didn't help them.

Other teams will park the bus and compress play and Odobert and Foster will struggle with no space to run into.

Newcastle did it last season at Turf brilliantly. Obviously, Newcastle have got much better players but Berge is very good at breaking lines simply by carrying the ball from the half way line creating space.

At the end of the day, you don't want to lose quality players but if we have to we have to....!

[BigGaz]

It's a really difficult one to call just now. Is he actually injured or are we saying that as cover for protecting him prior to a likely sale? We could play seriously hard ball with any suiters, including Utd, but if we cause him to stay against his will we could easily have a very peed off player on our hands. If he's happy to stay and commit should we not get the money we're looking for , then great, but if his head has been turned keeping him is pointless. Having said that, Berge also has to think about where he will sit in the pecking order at somewhere like Old Trafford because he really won't be at the top end I'd suggest and so the wages might be lovely, but it could be very frustrating playing just a bit part. Obviously we'll see.

He's injured and has been for a while now.

It doesn't mean there isn't real interest in him, there is, but if he was fit he would be near to the squad.

[ksrclaret]

I really don't think that Berge could have replaced Vitinho in the excellent tactical system we played last night. We had him playing a hybrid role of right wing back out of possession and right wing in possession, and we had Odobert playing a hybrid role of right midfielder out of possession and more of a number 10 in possession. I'm not sure Berge would have been suited to either of those roles, and so he'd have played at the expense of Cullen or Brownhill who were both excellent as well. Either that, or we'd have had to change completely to accommodate him.

[ClaretPete001]

I really don't think that Berge could have replaced Vitinho in the excellent tactical system we played last night. We had him playing a hybrid role of right wing back out of possession and right wing in possession, and we had Odobert playing a hybrid role of right midfielder out of possession and more of a number 10 in possession. I'm not sure Berge would have been suited to either of those roles, and so he'd have played at the expense of Cullen or Brownhill who were both excellent as well. Either that, or we'd have had to change completely to accommodate him.

Unless you are assuming Odobert and Kolosheo never track back that is how anyone right sided middle field player would play.

I think Parker may have played Vitinho there to mark Alfie Doughty but Doughty just switched sides when it suited.

And different teams will provide different challenges. If a team parks the bus there is no space behind for our quicker players to run into and you need something different.

Again I refer to Newcastle last season who simply sat in and hit us on the break. As did quite a few teams after weathering the first 20 minutes.

But it's all mute anyway because Berge is probably already gone.

[SouthLondonexile]

This does seem to be serious move by Man Utd.
I think it will be disappointing if he goes there.
It won’t be the end of the world but he does offer us a robust option in midfield, and will be missed.

[dougcollins]

Toe injury.

[CoolClaret]

He was but the issue isn't Vitinho. It's the ability to break lines. Luton have injury problems and were very naive. Other teams will sit in and cause different problems.

Then I'm sure that our non-rigid new manager will do things like play two upfront (Weggy?) and players that are good in tight spaces.

How will a lesser team beat us if they sit in and try and counter? Our centre halves are rapid, strong and can defend in space exceptionally well... Good luck Championship!

[ClaretPete001]

Then I'm sure that our non-rigid new manager will do things like play two upfront (Weggy?) and players that are good in tight spaces.

How will a lesser team beat us if they sit in and try and counter? Our centre halves are rapid, strong and can defend in space exceptionally well... Good luck Championship!

Blimey Cool. Let's wait a few games before we drink the Parker Kool Aid (pardon the pun). I think Berge is a good player who would be the attacking option in a centre mid 3 moving Odobert and Kolosheo out wide. I've said the same thing for quite a while

I know if Berge goes we are probably too strong for this league anyway but there is always next season and we are only 1 game in out of 46. It was just a discussion point.

And yes, it's nice to have a more pragmatic manager - if only we had got him last season.

[bfcmik]

Berge's move to Man Utd off because United think we want too much, apparently

[FeedTheArf]

If we sell Berge we have to replace him. No way you can go in to a 46 game season with three central midfielders for 2 roles.

Hopefully United get Ugarte.

Didn't we play an entire Championship winning campaign with just Dean Marney and Dave Jones?

Brownhill and Cullen's injury record are great and we've still got Massengo to come in.

If it's experience we need, bring back Cork as an experienced backup.

IF we sell Berge it's going to be a Cork-type signing or a cheap one from abroad.

We need to recoup some money. We've got loans to pay.

[karatekid]

It seems to me that some fans can’t wait to get rid of our better players to pay the bills. I say NO , let’s keep them and pay the bills with our promotion money.

[summitclaret]

It seems to me that some fans can’t wait to get rid of our better players to pay the bills. I say NO , let’s keep them and pay the bills with our promotion money.

Depends on cash flow I would suspect.

[Vegas Claret]

Nicolo is usually reasonably accurate, hope they can agree a price as this is who United really want

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Didn't we play an entire Championship winning campaign with just Dean Marney and Dave Jones?

Brownhill and Cullen's injury record are great and we've still got Massengo to come in.

If it's experience we need, bring back Cork as an experienced backup.

IF we sell Berge it's going to be a Cork-type signing or a cheap one from abroad.

We need to recoup some money. We've got loans to pay.

One promotion year Dyche used just 18 players in the season

[Bordeauxclaret]

One promotion year Dyche used just 18 players in the season

No he didn’t.

[bfcjg]

It seems to me that some fans can’t wait to get rid of our better players to pay the bills. I say NO , let’s keep them and pay the bills with our promotion money.

If you are owed money by BFC, why should you wait a year ? Some of these people could put us into administration, I think we have to sell first and foremost to get the squad to the permitted level,but also to get creditors back on board to show wr are a responsible business that pays our dues,you don't know when you'll need them again. We've enough of talent to go up with or without Berge.