Summer 2024 Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome

[gawthorpe_view]

Just a thought.
The £15 million fee being mentioned for O'Shea could be a relegation release clause.

[randomclaret2]

Just a thought.
The £15 million fee being mentioned for O'Shea could be a relegation release clause.

I'm beginning to wonder if this is the case too...

[GrahamBranchsPerm]

I love watching Beyer at this level, absolute line breaker when fit. Appreciate that is the conundrum - when fit.

I really don't want to sell DOS - as good as it gets at this level and feel we go up with Steve and DOS.

I am resigned to losing Berge now there is interest from other parties outside Manure. £30m though, don't take less.

Trafford I really want to sell, as I think he's poor and will lose value and I don't was us to have to sell DOS. If he ends up staying, of course we get behind him. But the cross he missed at Luton was food and drink to a good keeper at this level.

I don't get excited by sales, or money in the bank (trust me this is not a problem, Burnley having loads of money in the bank), but I know the reality of running a business / servicing debt, I know enough about our finances that there has to be more outgoings, and that Berge and Trafford would cover it.

Final point, would of course love to keep Berge, but then again Ipswich would love DOS for £10m. But such is life of supporting a team relegated, we have to sell players, and unfortunately they tend to be the ones who can step up, by definition.

I think if it's just Trafford and Berge, and some odds and sods, we **** the league.

UTC

[Paul Waine]

Yes, that’s exactly what I was saying: if we’re selling at £25m we’re not replacing with equal or better quality.

So the bank balance increases (or our debt lowers) but our playing talent and therefore chances of making an immediate return decrease. That’s obviously a risk in its own right because miss promotion and the whole model collapses very quickly.

I agree that the hope is our recruitment dept have identified suitable successors that can get us up again. I’m not particularly convinced with the names I’ve heard but I do think the rump of the squad probably has enough talent to get the job done anyway. And to be fair our competition are getting raided too to equal things out.

But I’m not convinced that anyone we buy now will be able to step up to the premier league if we got up, which is the issue for me because by selling your Berge and O’Shea’s you’re actually removing the pillars you should be building around.

When we went down and we sold Pope, Tarks, Mee, Dwight, Cornet you immediately have 5 top players to replace if you go up. Then you get your arguments about too much change, team spirit, connections with the players, etc etc.

If we’re selling Muric, Odobert, Berge & O’Shea (minimum) I feel we’re in similar territory and I think we’re going to struggle to break the cycle without holding on to players that proved themselves in the premier league and building around them.

Thats why I can’t really get excited when we sell a good player regardless of the fee.

Steady on, New. When the club was relegated in May 2022 James Tarkowski and Ben Mee were both out of contract. The club didn't sell either of them. Nick Pope, Dwight McNeil, Maxwel Cornet and Nathan Collins were sold. They all wanted to continue their careers in the Premier League. (Also, Wout Weghorst exited on loan as he needed to continue playing in a top division). Of course, the club had a new manager who wanted to develop a new style and the exits financed the incoming - and dealt with MSD debt obligations.

So far this window the club has received compensation for Vincent Kompany's departure, plus sold Muric and Odobert. Yes, others will leave, the club has a very large squad. Yes, it's better that the club is able to choose who leaves while retaining both the players to be successful thus season and be ready to be successful in the Premier League when we are back there. But, there will be a balance, the better players will be most in demand by clubs with money to spend, which will mostly be Premier League clubs.

[AfloatinClaret]

You think the board don’t know exactly what’s going on and are acting without any element of pre-planning, strategy, diligence...

That is all very well, but if the board are making those sort of decisions without consulting NewClaret and getting his approval, I suspect they might get themselves into trouble

[AGENT_CLARET]

Sounds like we're going to have a seriously depleted squad and less money coming in than what promotion is worth. Very risky, as if the players rumoured to leave do leave, playoffs is certainly more realistic than top 2.

ARE YOU SERIOUS just asking for a friend

[HB Claret]

The other problem we will face is having to pay over the odds for any replacements for outgoing players as the selling clubs will be holding out for more as they know we have made big sales.

[Andingle]

I love watching Beyer at this level, absolute line breaker when fit. Appreciate that is the conundrum - when fit.

I really don't want to sell DOS - as good as it gets at this level and feel we go up with Steve and DOS.

I am resigned to losing Berge now there is interest from other parties outside Manure. £30m though, don't take less.

Trafford I really want to sell, as I think he's poor and will lose value and I don't was us to have to sell DOS. If he ends up staying, of course we get behind him. But the cross he missed at Luton was food and drink to a good keeper at this level.

I don't get excited by sales, or money in the bank (trust me this is not a problem, Burnley having loads of money in the bank), but I know the reality of running a business / servicing debt, I know enough about our finances that there has to be more outgoings, and that Berge and Trafford would cover it.

Final point, would of course love to keep Berge, but then again Ipswich would love DOS for £10m. But such is life of supporting a team relegated, we have to sell players, and unfortunately they tend to be the ones who can step up, by definition.

I think if it's just Trafford and Berge, and some odds and sods, we **** the league.

UTC

A lot of sense in your post and agree we have more chance of winning the league with an O'Shea / Esteve partnership but if Berge goes we desperately will need a suitable replacement or we will struggle with just Cullen , Brownhill & Messengo.

[Walkerpool]

A lot of sense in your post and agree we have more chance of winning the league with an O'Shea / Esteve partnership but if Berge goes we desperately will need a suitable replacement or we will struggle with just Cullen , Brownhill & Messengo.

Totally agree

[NewClaret]

Just a thought.
The £15 million fee being mentioned for O'Shea could be a relegation release clause.

Possibly although I’d have expected someone to trigger that by now if it was so low.

If we’re going to make good of this whole buying and selling strategy we really should refuse to agree any release clauses even if it means losing out on players in my opinion, so hopefully he doesn’t have one.

[NewClaret]

That is all very well, but if the board are making those sort of decisions without consulting NewClaret and getting his approval, I suspect they might get themselves into trouble

Precisely. Sooner they realise they need to consult me on all transfer business the sooner we’ll start to get it all right

[Claret Till I Die]

Fulham bid £20M +5M add ons for Berge

[RVclaret]

Fulham bid £20M +5M add ons for Berge

Not a bad offer to be fair. I think 25+5 and they’ve got a deal…

[gandhisflipflop]

Stand firm for the 30m.

[Andingle]

Fulham bid £20M +5M add ons for Berge

Just seen Skysports news saying Fulham have made a bid but didn't say how much.
Good for us to get into a bidding war.
*Now saying the fee you quoted

[NewClaret]

Not a bad offer to be fair. I think 25+5 and they’ve got a deal…

I agree, I think £25m+£5m would get it done. I’d be happy enough with that but think it’s further along than being made out.

[brexit]

I'm beginning to wonder if this is the case too...

Beginning to think with Humphrey coming in, DOS is off.

[Hedontplayforyou]

I’ll be sad to see Berge go as with him I feel we’d be formidable this season. We have got to replace him with some quality, albeit finding someone as good as him will be nigh on impossible but a high quality player is achievable nonetheless.

I wonder if this will push United to go up to the £30m mark

[Vegas Claret]

Sander is 26, not even peaked. I wouldn't entertain anything less than 30 and it would be pure stupidity for us to do so

[RVclaret]

I agree, I think £25m+£5m would get it done. I’d be happy enough with that but think it’s further along than being made out.

Interesting - Sky specifically said Fulham are yet to hear back on the bid.

[NewClaret]

At least we know that is the absolute minimum for Berge now.

Will be replaced.

[jos]

We know that the priority for the board and SP is to get back to the PL for next season, but for me if we had to spend another year in the Championship whilst a changing team develops it wouldn’t bother me too much, in fact I think I prefer it, as long as we get to the PL to grab some of that dosh the year after.
UTC

[Casper2]

Fulham bid £20M +5M add ons for Berge

Thought he was injured

[NewClaret]

Interesting - Sky specifically said Fulham are yet to hear back on the bid.

Well Matt only called me 5 minutes ago to ask my opinion. You have to give Sky some time to catch up RV

[ervi34]

Deal very close according to Andy Jones. 20 + 5 m.

Already travelling for medical...

[Row x]

Beginning to think with Humphrey coming in, DOS is off.

Humphrey is left footed though

[agreenwood]

At least we know that is the absolute minimum for Berge now.

Will be replaced.

Has to be replaced.

An injury to Cullen or Brownhill leaves us hoping either Massengo is of the right standard or experimenting with players who don’t normally play in the centre of the park.

[GrahamBranchsPerm]

The thing is Jos our odds of promotion reduce each season. Now is the time.

Anyway - no one is stopping us this season, we are in a position of strength here (loads of players, high base, good start, weak teams around us (we are better than Luton and Sheff U).

UTC

[TsarBomba]

https://x.com/timessport/status/1825601 ... 62239?s=46

Toney expected to go to Saudi Arabia for £50M.

Would give Brentford funds for DOS.

[randomclaret2]

Thought he was injured

Quad injury according to SP...we now know it was 25m Quad ...

[Newcastleclaret93]

Deal done according to the athletic

[NewClaret]

Has to be replaced.

An injury to Cullen or Brownhill leaves us hoping either Massengo is of the right standard or experimenting with players who don’t normally play in the centre of the park.

We have someone lined up.

[agreenwood]

Deal very close according to Andy Jones. 20 + 5 m.

Already travelling for medical...

Yup. Another key player gone.

[NewClaret]

https://x.com/timessport/status/1825601 ... 62239?s=46

Toney expected to go to Saudi Arabia for £50M.

Would give Brentford funds for DOS.

What a waste.

[RVclaret]

Hope this doesn’t set the tone for these next 10 days. Was already anxious even knowing Berge was one who would definitely leave.

[agreenwood]

We have someone lined up.

I hope he’s at least half the player Berge is.

[taio]

We have someone lined up.

Who?

[NewClaret]

I hope he’s at least half the player Berge is.

Me too

[Oldparkwood]

We have someone lined up.

Do we?

[LongsideClaret]

O’Shea price quoted to Brentford was £15m and they backed off so I very much doubt we do a deal with Ipswich at £10m.

Looking like Wout to Ajax is getting nearer.

Also a new prem club in for Berge, might leave United stuck with someone they thought they were selling…

Berge to Fulham has moved quickly and should get done. Replacement already identified.

[Colburn_Claret]

Just been listening to Sundays FTBHE Podcast.

They were talking about Massengo being a natural replacement. I think he could, he's definitely too good to be ignored, and if Berge stays unlikely to improve while sat on the bench. A season in the championship and we could be saying Sander who?

Tongue in cheek, but after all his experience at Bristol, this is his time.

I'd still hold out for 30 mill for Berge. 20 plus 5 for add ons, could end up being 20. That would be a massive waste of money.

[agreenwood]

Hope this doesn’t set the tone for these next 10 days. Was already anxious even knowing Berge was one who would definitely leave.

Whilst I always expected we’d lose a few, I can only imagine the disruption of selling several key players after the season has started.

[jos]

The thing is Jos our odds of promotion reduce each season. Now is the time.

Anyway - no one is stopping us this season, we are in a position of strength here (loads of players, high base, good start, weak teams around us (we are better than Luton and Sheff U).

UTC

Yep, you’re right, I just enjoy watching us winning more than losing.

[PremierLeagueClass]

Yup. Another key player gone.

You didn’t honestly expect him to stay?

We haven’t exactly missed him either.

[claretskeith]

We have someone lined up.

One should bloody hope so. We certainly need one coming in.

[billyhamilton82]

Deal very close according to Andy Jones. 20 + 5 m.

Already travelling for medical...

I'm hoping its 20 + 5 guaranteed plus add ons similar to the Odobert deal?

We shouldn't be accepting less than 25m guaranteed IMO

[Casper2]

Deal very close according to Andy Jones. 20 + 5 m.

Already travelling for medical...

So he’ll be failing that , unless the Parker has been lying

[agreenwood]

You didn’t honestly expect him to stay?

We haven’t exactly missed him either.

I wasn’t sure anyone was going to pay that much to be honest.

We haven’t missed him….yet.

[randomclaret2]

Berge to Fulham has moved quickly and should get done. Replacement already identified.

Any clues LC ?

[NewClaret]

Who?

I can’t say mate but what I will say is when I posted earlier that I’d been unimpressed by the supposed replacements I didn’t know this one.

I think people will be happy. I am.