Summer 2024 Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome

[Ric_C]

Yeah Sheff Utd have had to have a complete rebuild

[kentonclaret]

It was obvious we needed to sell players, but jesus wept. It’s the players on the fringes that need shifting, not every single decent player we have.
Come the Blackburn game, if it’s basically a completely new team and we lose, Pace and Co are in for a rough ride.

With Odobert, Vitinho, O’Shea, JBG there are just 4 players who have featured (and scored) in our opening 2 fixtures but have now departed or are strongly rumoured to be departing. We may currently sit top of the table but it is far too early to speculate where we will end up finishing given all of the comings and goings. The fear is we will end up with a load of fringe players making up the squad that we just can’t shift.
We will have a much clearer idea after 15 games once the window has closed as to what the team looks like and our prospects going forward.

[burnmark]

From what I can see, 18 players have left Sheff U this window.
5 of them for fees, then players like Foderingham and McBurnie who've gone for free, then players like Egan and Norwood who have simply been released, and finally players like Souttar whose loan has ended.

They’ve just signed Souttar.

[SirBob]

Just trying to catch up on last nights possible outgoings rumours.

Berge - Fulham
Vitinho - Brazil
JBG - Saudi
Trafford - Newcastle
O’Shea - Brentford
Annas - unknown
WW - Ajax
Messenko - France

Any I’ve missed?

[Pearcey]

O’Shea. Starter
Berge. Starter
Trafford. Starter
Vitinho. Starter at the mo.
Weghorst. Bench
Massengo. Bench
McNally. Not required when others fit.
Zaroury. Bench
Benson. Bench
JBG. Bench

Vitinho is a funny one. Not most people’s first choice in any position but is always pretty steady. Be sad to lose him.

[kentonclaret]

Yeah Sheff Utd have had to have a complete rebuild

At least they have a much clearer picture of what their squad looks like moving forward. We, currently, don’t have a clue who will still be at the club let alone who the incoming players might be.

[nil_desperandum]

They’ve basically sold 3 players for around 15m, 4 if you include Archer’s weird deal, and spent around 10 of that. Souttar just signed for them. We are going to almost be at 100m in sales with a 5m spend by the weekend.

True, but as I pointed out, they've also lost most of their "better" players for free. At least we seem to be holding out for good money.
(I also expect some significant outgoings from the Blades before the window closes.)

[mdd2]

Vitinho is an upmarket Andy Farrell who played anywhere and did his job. I think releasing Vitinho will be a big big mistake.If he is going to Brazil it will be for coffee beans (aka peanuts) so I cannot for the life of me see what the benefit is to BFC and the team.

[Poulton-le-Claret]

It isn't straightforward to compare our business in this window to Sheff Utd. We have a squad full of genuine saleable assets, they did not and it takes longer to shift players for big money.

To put it into perspective, the Odobert deal alone may ultimately end up being more valuable to us than the 18 or so players departures Sheff Utd have had in this window combined.

[kentonclaret]

Vitinho is an upmarket Andy Farrell who played anywhere and did his job. I think releasing Vitinho will be a big big mistake.If he is going to Brazil it will be for coffee beans (aka peanuts) so I cannot for the life of me see what the benefit is to BFC and the team.

Most Americans love their coffee

[Grimsdale]

Vitinho is an upmarket Andy Farrell who played anywhere and did his job. I think releasing Vitinho will be a big big mistake.If he is going to Brazil it will be for coffee beans (aka peanuts) so I cannot for the life of me see what the benefit is to BFC and the team.

Especially where the talk is that he is going there on loan which is no use at all for us if he is going to leave.

[Tricky Trevor]

Wake up this morning to find JBG being labelled a weasel and mercenary. Disgusting behaviour, this is a contracted player who can only leave if the club want to sell.

A lot on Sheff U above who threw away a 2 goal lead on Saturday to a 10 man QPR that were stuffed at home the week before. No worries there.

Below is our current squad list. I’ve marked in red all those expected to leave, by this thread, and in green our likely first team, minus a CB&WR. We are still good enough with, hopefully, some replacements to come.

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[Colburn_Claret]

This was always going to happen. We've been relegated and have loans and interest to pay. Its just the financial reality of where we're at.

It had to happen because we have too many players on the books, regardless of relegation.
The fees quoted will more than balance the books, but you can't sit still and pat yourself on the back, the wheels need to keep moving or they seize up.

I'm of the opinion that we have a core of players who we definitely need to keep. Berge would have been on the list, but his departure is understandable due to his age. I'd like to keep Trafford, but we have good back up now, so a decent offer and I'd leave it up to him. Does he want to stay and fight for his place?

Some of the names mentioned as incoming leave a lot to be desired. Hannibal meh, I'd rather have Massengo. Humphries I know nothing about, other than he comes from Chelsea, but loans with an option, rather than a loan with an obligation would be better for us. They could be having our pants down. To be fair to the club, so many of our incomings over the last 2 years I'd never heard of before, and they haven't worked out badly.

[kentonclaret]

With so many of the players departing (or strongly rumoured to be leaving) that have actually featured in the first 2 games, it feels like they were just being put in the shop window rather than being identified as part of our squad for the coming season.
Nobody right now has a clue who will be lining up on Saturday at Sunderland, probably not even Scott Parker.

[claretonthecoast1882]

I can now see why Kompany went nuts at JBG.
Seems like another Jelle Vossen where he has used the club to get a move. There is no way this just sprung up overnight.
JBG could have become a club legend this season, but he leaves as a pathetic weasel.

Probably be the dumbest post of the window if not the season

[Andreshotboots]

Holly smoke I only went on a business trip for a day and it seems our whole squad is being linked away, is Parker still here?

[Pearcey]

With so many of the players departing (or strongly rumoured to be leaving) that have actually featured in the first 2 games, it feels like they were just being put in the shop window rather than being identified as part of our squad for the coming season.
Nobody right now has a clue who will be lining up on Saturday at Sunderland, probably not even Scott Parker.

I’d agree with that with Weghorst. I was surprised he came on ahead of Hountondji to be honest.

[Colburn_Claret]

TBF Luton and Sheff Utd haven’t sold anyone yet (Barkley and Osula that’s it).

Neither had squads anywhere near as bloated as ours. The long term injured are a big problem atm. We can't play them, we can't sell them. Obviously when fit, some of them, we hope, will be fighting for a place in the starting XI. We are going to have to carry a big squad regardless, but not as big as last season.

[Tall Paul]

With so many of the players departing (or strongly rumoured to be leaving) that have actually featured in the first 2 games, it feels like they were just being put in the shop window rather than being identified as part of our squad for the coming season.
Nobody right now has a clue who will be lining up on Saturday at Sunderland, probably not even Scott Parker.

I'm sure Parker and the rest of the management team are well aware of who may or may not be in the squad by Saturday.

Standard comical overreaction to what is a normal part of the transfer window on this thread.

[nil_desperandum]

It isn't straightforward to compare our business in this window to Sheff Utd. We have a squad full of genuine saleable assets, they did not and it takes longer to shift players for big money.

To put it into perspective, the Odobert deal alone may ultimately end up being more valuable to us than the 18 or so players departures Sheff Utd have had in this window combined.

Good summary (IMO)
I also think that Sheff U are holding out for "big money" on a couple of saleable assets.

[warksclaret]

Its clear we have some talent in the squad evidenced by the sales we have made and the reported interest in other key players.Also shows we have some very ordinary players where we appear to have had zilch interest-Delcroix and Obefemi to mention two. With the way our key players are leaving us, I hope we have some irons in the fire as we are currently running a very tight line not made better by the worrying amount of players out long term.Suspect Matt Wiiliams is putting in a real shift right now. As things become clearer you would hope the Parker will have identified a few key players as he will be the wisest as to what pieces of the jig saw we are missing, and hopefully still has contact with a few that once played for him

[Jakubclaret]

I can now see why Kompany went nuts at JBG.
Seems like another Jelle Vossen where he has used the club to get a move. There is no way this just sprung up overnight.
JBG could have become a club legend this season, but he leaves as a pathetic weasel.

It doesn't look good him coming back & then leaving again. I think basically he's used the club to keep fit & for the availability exposure. If he didn't intend to see things through he should have stayed away. The club effectively has become a circus & it's just a ride on a merry go round carousel for some players.

[Mark the Claret]

Did we end up signing Ronaldinhos son?

[dandeclaret]

And what was Sheff Utd’s spending position last summer?

[aclaretinstevenage]

BBC Sport reporting £25M bid for Berge in from Fulham. About the right price maybe.

[Mark the Claret]

It doesn't look good him coming back & then leaving again. I think basically he's used the club to keep fit & for the availability exposure. If he didn't intend to see things through he should have stayed away. The club effectively has become a circus & it's just a ride on a merry go round carousel for some players.

Maybe the club persuaded him to come back knowing full well where he was going, and if we get a fee it would be mutually beneficial.

[mdd2]

I may have missed some of the ins and outs but we have shed two net players so far and still have a squad over 21 of 26
Out Muric Peacock-Farrell (and third keeper) Taylor Cork Twine Odobert ( JBG and Berge maybe Vitinho)-10 out
In Hladjy, Green, Sambo, Pires, Esteve, Hountondji Tresor (Humphries apparently on loan)-8 in and as the loan lad is<21 as a loan he has to be in the 25. We still have 27 players to be in the squad of 25 AND need to have 8 players in that 25 who are home grown-of those on loan or over 21 we have Jay, Trafford, Massengo, Roberts, Brownhill, Cullen, O'Shea, Redmond, Obafemi, Humphries. Available at present to be 7 of the 20 man matchday squad as home grown are those plus Egan-Riley, Ramsay, Dodgson, Casper.
It does look as if at present we are cutting it fine given rumours about Trafford and O'Shea plus are going to name Redmond if he is going to be out until December? Rumoured incomings dont sound homegrown.
Cannot imagine something as basic as this will be missed by the Club but if they cannot match ST holders to their current addresses; maybe we should assume nothing.

[Ric_C]

This herein lies the problem of a big squad. Lots of players with no game time would have been getting their agents to find them a better option over the last 12 months.

[Commy]

Sheff Utd have done some good signings on frees.

[KRBFC]

So we sell all of our better players, we hopefully get promoted then what? We have to buy a whole new team again to replace the ones leaving now. So we just rebuild every summer? How do you possibly get any better doing that?

[Pearcey]

It doesn't look good him coming back & then leaving again. I think basically he's used the club to keep fit & for the availability exposure. If he didn't intend to see things through he should have stayed away. The club effectively has become a circus & it's just a ride on a merry go round carousel for some players.

Jesus wept!

[Longsider]

It doesn't look good him coming back & then leaving again. I think basically he's used the club to keep fit & for the availability exposure. If he didn't intend to see things through he should have stayed away. The club effectively has become a circus & it's just a ride on a merry go round carousel for some players.

It works for all parties though. He keeps fit for his new club by training with Burnley and we get a fee for his sale.

[IanMcL]

We appear to be shedding the players capable of prem football and retaining the also fans. There could be tears.

Yanks swimming in the money. Could also cost them 100 million next season and the rot will be set in, if not promoted.

[Jakubclaret]

Maybe the club persuaded him to come back knowing full well where he was going, and if we get a fee it would be mutually beneficial.

It's another possibility granted. If all this was preplanned in hindsight it's baffling why the saudis were so slow in taking him & waiting until a fee became payable. The cynical logical view could be that he's changed his mind again & a better tempting offers come along.

[Guller Bull]

We appear to be shedding the players capable of prem football and retaining the also fans. There could be tears.

Yanks swimming in the money. Could also cost them 100 million next season and the rot will be set in, if not promoted.

Ok

[Pearcey]

So we sell all of our better players, we hopefully get promoted then what? We have to buy a whole new team again to replace the ones leaving now. So we just rebuild every summer? How do you possibly get any better doing that?

Steady on! You’ll have loads of posters agreeing with you!

[FeedTheArf]

So we sell all of our better players, we hopefully get promoted then what? We have to buy a whole new team again to replace the ones leaving now. So we just rebuild every summer? How do you possibly get any better doing that?

You don't. But we have loans to repay, interest to pay, debt to service.

But it's OK, Alan 'really cares' about the club.

[Ric_C]

We appear to be shedding the players capable of prem football and retaining the also fans. There could be tears.

Yanks swimming in the money. Could also cost them 100 million next season and the rot will be set in, if not promoted.

As the window shuts, I'm hoping we have an equal or better squad than when the window closed 2 years ago, one which has lots of potential, and one with most of the players as permanent signings. The problem with a few years ago was the over reliance on loan players.

If that happens then we are making progress and we have semi-rectified the crazy window from 12 months ago. No small a task tbh

[BigAlClaret]

With the clock ticking and the transfer window closing and lots of players (everywhere) unsure of there futures,isn't it prudent to arrange potential transfers away from the club?Perhaps if you need to sell 2 players do you arrange maybe 3 outgoing transfers then pull the plug when the first 2 have left.This way you have one left but you just don't know which one. I'm just speculating because this practice seems to happen on incoming transfers.

[fatboy47]

As the window shuts, I'm hoping we have an equal or better squad than when the window closed 2 years ago, one which has lots of potential, and one with most of the players as permanent signings. The problem with a few years ago was the over reliance on loan players.

If that happens then we are making progress and we have semi-rectified the crazy window from 12 months ago. No small a task tbh

Dont come on here with your reality.

[agreenwood]

O’Shea. Starter
Berge. Starter
Trafford. Starter
Vitinho. Starter at the mo.
Weghorst. Bench
Massengo. Bench
McNally. Not required when others fit.
Zaroury. Bench
Benson. Bench
JBG. Bench

Vitinho is a funny one. Not most people’s first choice in any position but is always pretty steady. Be sad to lose him.

I'm not sure I look at this way.

Parker came in 6 weeks ago and I'm sure has been working very hard to bed in his ideas as quickly as possible during the nice clear training ground stretch that preseason provides. Come the Rovers game, he could feasibly have lost half the players he commenced with and be partially starting afresh with a lot of new players. He may well have been prepared for outgoings, but I wonder if he imagined it would be as drastic as the current (strong) rumours suggest the turnover is likely to be.

If you look at the 18 players named for Luton:

Trafford - Strongly linked to Newcastle
Roberts - Staying?
O-Shea - Strongly linked to Brentford and Wolves
Esteve - Staying?
Pires - Staying
Vitinho - Strongly linked to Flamenco and Botafogo
Cullen - Staying
Brownhill - Staying?
Koleosho - Staying
Odobert - Gone to Spurs
Foster - Staying

Hladky - Staying
McNally - No strong links, but lots of ITKs saying he's off
Twine - Gone to Bristol City
Massengo - Linked with Auxerre by L'Equipe last night
Zaroury - Staying?
Hountondji - Staying
Rodriguez - Staying
Weghorst - Strongly linked with Ajax
Benson - Strongly linked with several Championship clubs

In addition you've got JBG and Amdouni who featured vs Cardiff. The former appears to be off and the latter's agent is pushing for a move.

Not including the likes of Berge who has been injured, that means that 11 players who have featured in the opening two match day squads have either left or have been strongly linked with a move away. I've possibly been slightly generous too as I've assumed the likes of Brownhill, Roberts, Zaroury, Esteve and Koleosho are staying put.

I personally think that's really unhealthy and I cannot believe for a minute that Parker isn't concerned about that, even if he has been promised replacements.

[Bigvince]

I just can’t see why we’d let Vitinho go on a loan with option to buy, when it seems like he’s in Scott Parkers plans, surely it’s the Brazilian club trying to unsettle the player, and force a move?

[Commy]

I can't understand the Vitinho one either. Parker really likes him and Vitinho has always wanted to play in England. Why would he now want to go back to Brazil when he might be back in the Premier League next season.

[boatshed bill]

I just can’t see why we’d let Vitinho go on a loan with option to buy, when it seems like he’s in Scott Parkers plans, surely it’s the Brazilian club trying to unsettle the player, and force a move?

Yes, this is a bit of a surprise. He always looks committed when chosen.

[Mark the Claret]

I just can’t see why we’d let Vitinho go on a loan with option to buy, when it seems like he’s in Scott Parkers plans, surely it’s the Brazilian club trying to unsettle the player, and force a move?

Maybe he or his family are homesick or he can't stand Pires, or any other reason we aren't aware of.

[warksclaret]

I just can’t see why we’d let Vitinho go on a loan with option to buy, when it seems like he’s in Scott Parkers plans, surely it’s the Brazilian club trying to unsettle the player, and force a move?

Unless we get a sale and fee agreed, absolutely pointless letting him go on loan as he will be both a regular starter and Mr Versatility. For me a loan is for players where you cant see anyone buying them ie Obefemi or Delcroix

[Casper2]

When will Gudmundsons tearful farewell video be released?

[IanMcL]

Maybe he or his family are homesick or he can't stand Pires, or any other reason we aren't aware of.

Isn't he Pires' translator?

[IanMcL]

Doom.

[Woodleyclaret]

Vitinho was everywhere on Saturday covering every blade of fake grass.We need to be sealing Traff sale but then we are done till January