Summer 2024 Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome

[AGENT_CLARET]

Or a goal every 3 games ish and an assist every 10 games.

If you want to look at it in a down type way you can

[Clive 1960]

Think it’s reasonable as a fan to question why a player ( including Tresor) hasn’t shown up to training or isn’t playing on a football message board when the club are paying obscene amounts of money to them in wages. Some players do have bad attitudes or spit the dummy out which might or might not be the case here. It may just be an injury. As we don’t know don’t just put it under a ‘mental health’ banner. This isn’t helpful either. if fans had seen more enthusiasm, effort and talent on the pitch to date it might be questioned less.

heard he got a bad illness but only the club knows, let's wait and see if he was ok wouldn't the club cash in..

[FeedTheArf]

Johnston did well for West Brom but is very much a one trick pony.

So the same as Benson then?

Admittedly it's some trick, but still

[RVclaret]

That’s the most frustrating thing for me this window. Doesn’t feel like any of these players can really be considered potential premier league players in future (I would exclude Hountondji & Hannibal from that list - have been impressed with the former and feel the latter could play in the premier league).

I’d honestly have rather we stuck by our fringe players like McNally, AAD, Anass and Benson (assuming he goes) and give them playing time than turf them out and replace with no better.

Only thing I can imagine is that the price difference is driving the sales as we need the thin profit off them/loan now pay later cash benefit, which is pretty worrying in its own right.

Hoping there are actually other deals being explored that we’re not aware of yet.

Agree with that. Another thing I’d add to be driving some of it is our inexplicably low homegrown quota which I’d mentioned several times. Also perhaps why the names linked are of that nature and we’ve stopped exploring elsewhere.

[bpgburn]

Odobert is levels above both. Johnston and Sarmiento fine for this year but not good enough if we go up. I guess that’s where we are at and it’ll be another rebuild next season.

God forbid that young decent championship players could somehow develop in to decent premier league players under the right guidance.

[Raconteur]

Johnston did well for West Brom but is very much a one trick pony. I’d agree with the lightweight comments. Touch underwhelmed with some of these targets but oh well. Any chance of a left footed right winger or just a right winger being linked?

If Johnston is a one trick pony what would you class Benson as?

[Blyclaret]

If Johnston is a one trick pony what would you class Benson as?

A liability. Too injury prone. Dosent train well. 20 mins at most a game. That’s when he’s not tackled

[cblantfanclub]

Never had a mate before who fanatically follows another club and could give me an opinion on a player - till now. My Celtic supporting mate (who also knows an ex Celtic player very well) rings me on the odd occasion there are rumours about them being interested in one of our players so it's time to return the call.

[123EasyasBFC]

That’s the most frustrating thing for me this window. Doesn’t feel like any of these players can really be considered potential premier league players in future (I would exclude Hountondji & Hannibal from that list - have been impressed with the former and feel the latter could play in the premier league).

I’d honestly have rather we stuck by our fringe players like McNally, AAD, Anass and Benson (assuming he goes) and give them playing time than turf them out and replace with no better.

Only thing I can imagine is that the price difference is driving the sales as we need the thin profit off them/loan now pay later cash benefit, which is pretty worrying in its own right.

Hoping there are actually other deals being explored that we’re not aware of yet.

How can you really say from the 6minutes and 3 touches of the ball that hountonji has premier league potential. Nothing against him because he’s not had minutes yet.

[groove]

Why would it be right to chide (never heard that word before but have assumed it means criticise) someone if he is doing what the Club have told him to do or have agreed on?

Nobody has criticised him. Do you think he's good enough? Do you think he's shown the right attitude? We're talking about a player the club didn't want to sign, but were contractually obliged to do so. I would hazard a guess that this is the reason he hasn't been seen.

[jedi_master]

Have I missed something or have Hannibal and Sarmiento seemingly gone quiet as far as we’re concerned?

[cblantfanclub]

Not good. Quick summary - not reliable, inconsistent, brilliant one minute then rubbish. He was on a walk and reception not good so brief. Also says wont make Celtic first team this season - bench sitter.

[123EasyasBFC]

Nobody has criticised him. Do you think he's good enough? Do you think he's shown the right attitude? We're talking about a player the club didn't want to sign, but were contractually obliged to do so. I would hazard a guess that this is the reason he hasn't been seen.

It’s not the club didn’t want to sign him at all, they did in the summer that’s why they did the deal with an obligation after 5 games or whatever it was, it didn’t work out last season so they might of tried to get out of it then.

If he’s ill, he’s ill, when he’s better he will have no option but to come back to the club until the next transfer window

[KRBFC]

1st paragraph, fair enough.
3rd paragraph, I agree.
2nd paragraph…nothing for anyone to be embarrassed about really, people can’t pussyfoot around every single situation because someone “might” have a mental health issue. If it comes out that’s the issue, then of course people should cut him some slack, maybe even apologise and sympathise, but people are having a pop because his performances were considerably below what were expected, his effort levels and attitude looked suspect and he’s rightly being chided for not turning back up, and they are doing that assuming there’s no issue with his health, and that’s fair enough at this stage imho.

Scott Parker has literally come out and said there’s an issue with his health, also he hasn’t “not turned up” you have absolutely no idea if the club have told him not to.

[bpgburn]

How can you really say from the 6minutes and 3 touches of the ball that hountonji has premier league potential. Nothing against him because he’s not had minutes yet.

He sees things no-one else can see, it's a gift..

[AGENT_CLARET]

Not good. Quick summary - not reliable, inconsistent, brilliant one minute then rubbish. He was on a walk and reception not good so brief. Also says wont make Celtic first team this season - bench sitter.

He'd be the most decorated played we've ever signed if we get him 6 titles 7 Cup wins

[NewClaret]

How can you really say from the 6minutes and 3 touches of the ball that hountonji has premier league potential. Nothing against him because he’s not had minutes yet.

He had a bit longer in pre-season, but probably just his size, physicality and pace. Looks strong and a presence which I think gives you half a chance.

Obviously an unknown at this stage though, as with all the players we’re discussing.

[Tall Paul]

Have I missed something or have Hannibal and Sarmiento seemingly gone quiet as far as we’re concerned?

No quieter than Berge to Fulham had been for the last few days.

[Stockbrokerbelt]

heard he got a bad illness but only the club knows, let's wait and see if he was ok wouldn't the club cash in..

I was told last year Malaria & it really affected him but who knows & don’t see why individuals (not you) have to question it, he will be like a new player if & when he gets in the team.

[KlyBfc]

Almost sounds like we're just doing other clubs' scouting for them. As soon as we go for a player teams like Leeds and SU also are suddenly interested.

I would imagine it’s more like he’s just another player on our list. Weve likely made some contact with his agent to initially sound his interest out and the agent / current club have let slip to drive up more interest in the player.

You would expect top end chmapionship teams to be chasing similar targets.

[bumba]

heard he got a bad illness but only the club knows, let's wait and see if he was ok wouldn't the club cash in..

Do we actually know for a fact he's still not back?

[gandhisflipflop]

Wouldn't it be more bizarre not to?

Not really no.

[JarrowClaret]

Nobody has criticised him. Do you think he's good enough? Do you think he's shown the right attitude? We're talking about a player the club didn't want to sign, but were contractually obliged to do so. I would hazard a guess that this is the reason he hasn't been seen.

He has been criticised a lot on here, some of it justified but the majority not.

My position is that last season he was not good, granted I only saw him on tv but what I saw was a player putting the effort in but in a position that doesn’t really suit but did okay I think it was against Liverpool and then dropped for the next game and only given fleeting minutes after that.

It is clear last season wasn’t good enough from him there are a number of reasons behind that illness being 1 but lack of effort certainly initially wasn’t 1. From what I have seen and his previous record in Belgium (Bare in mind how good Zaroury and Benson were for us and he is rated higher than them in that league) if his mind is right, used properly, given a chance and in the correct position he could be a fantastic asset in this division.

[Clive 1960]

Do we actually know for a fact he's still not back?

According to Scott a couple of weeks ago when asked by a reporter he said he had been ill ..

[Stalbansclaret]

Imagine disliking a person because of that persons interests. Bizarre.

Surely someone’s “interests” are often the main reason why you’d dislike someone.

[JarrowClaret]

Do we actually know for a fact he's still not back?

No nothing has been said about him since it was mentioned on a press conference a few weeks ago.

[clarets1978]

According to Scott a couple of weeks ago when asked by a reporter he said he had been ill ..

We cant even read anything into that. He said Zaroury was ill on Saturday. Think it might be an easy answer to move on without many questions

[Stonehouse]

Imagine disliking a person because of that persons interests. Bizarre.

Most people would be able to name lots of interests that other people have that would make you squirm .eg People who have a weird relationship with horses for a kick off.

[Clive 1960]

I was told last year Malaria & it really affected him but who knows & don’t see why individuals (not you) have to question it, he will be like a new player if & when he gets in the team.

That's what i heard it was Malaria, but only heard of Scott that he was recovering from a illness, just hope if he is still with us we get to see the best from the lad as there's a decent player there...

[Newcastleclaret93]

God forbid that young decent championship players could somehow develop in to decent premier league players under the right guidance.

Tbf Johnstone isn’t exactly young he’s at supposedly peak age in football. If he’s not premier league quality now he’s likely
Never going to be.

Sarmiento is different though, I agree he could very well break out this season

[clarets1978]

Most people would be able to name lots of interests that other people have that would make you squirm .eg People who have a weird relationship with horses for a kick off.

Lets not be bringing Blackburn fans into it

[gandhisflipflop]

Surely someone’s “interests” are often the main reason why you’d dislike someone.

There’s a difference between someone who you don’t have a lot on common with and disliking someone. The opinion that he follows Andrew Tate therefore he must be a bellend just doesn’t sit well with me. It’s not confined to this board, it’s society in general. Anyway back to the topic in hand!

[Clive 1960]

Scott Parker has literally come out and said there’s an issue with his health, also he hasn’t “not turned up” you have absolutely no idea if the club have told him not to.

if the lad as a illness i don't think he would be down at the training ground but to recover at home like any other employee..

[Jakubclaret]

According to Scott a couple of weeks ago when asked by a reporter he said he had been ill ..

Berge was supposed to be injured that's the reason he didn't feature but that never stopped him making a miraculous recovery when Fulham decided to call. You can't take anything that's said as being truthful.

[RicardoMontalban]

Berge was supposed to be injured that's the reason he didn't feature but that never stopped him making a miraculous recovery when Fulham decided to call. You can't take anything that's said as being truthful.

I imagine there could also be a difference between a ‘niggle’ that keeps you out, and something that fails a medical.

[bpgburn]

Tbf Johnstone isn’t exactly young he’s at supposedly peak age in football. If he’s not premier league quality now he’s likely
Never going to be.

Sarmiento is different though, I agree he could very well break out this season

I wasn't really commenting about any one specific player, more the young championship players in general..

[Clive 1960]

We cant even read anything into that. He said Zaroury was ill on Saturday. Think it might be an easy answer to move on without many questions

I think he could be here after the window closes, Zaroury didn't want to be included last weekend is a rumour just like Berg as been injured it's obvious that if you are going to sell someone the club don't want him to get injured and Berg said the Fulham transfer had been going on for 3 weeks..

[FCBurnley]

Worrall medical today according to BBC. Hoping he signs to replace AD and O Shea if they go. Hoping Ajax get lured in by WW. he hasn’t broken sweat in his 2 brief appearances this season so the sooner he goes the better. Also hoping Trafford goes for big bucks which will maybe allow us to keep our better players especially OShea

[Big Vinny K]

I agree that I’d rather keep Benson and Zaroury than sign more new players who need integrating etc. Al Dakhill possibly too - McNally not sure. He’s never let us down when he has played but there must be a reason he has was sent out on loan and it’s also interesting that Coventry nor Stoke have gone on to buy him (especially at a very affordable price).

But footballers have very busy agents. The way a lot of our players were treated by VK last year it’s hardly a surprise that they are happy to leave. They are mid contract now so they have value - they will get significant signing on fees and possible increases in salary (or at least matching it) over a new long term contract. Right now their stock is still high enough for other clubs to want to pay money for them - another year on the bench or out of the squad altogether it may not be the case. Plus you never know some of these lads might actually want to play football again !!

[claretskeith]

I hope Zaroury and Benson both stay.

Before the window opened we had: Koleosho/Zaroury + Odobert/Benson

That to me was perfect.

[Jakubclaret]

I imagine there could also be a difference between a ‘niggle’ that keeps you out, and something that fails a medical.

I dunno but spending £25 mil thereabouts you are fit & firing it's a thorough medical & a quick recovery from an alleged niggle. You can obviously draw your own conclusions from that.

[Big Vinny K]

Surely someone’s “interests” are often the main reason why you’d dislike someone.

Exactly !!

[GodIsADeeJay81]

That’s the point thought DJ there’s not many players at the club that the fans have an affiliation with.

A big part of this season is about getting the club and fan base more connected.

Nope

The fans will feel more connected if the club carries on doing well on the pitch

The fans became attached to players from the first season with Kompany

In this industry players come and go all the time, we just had a huge turnover when Kompany took over, more again last summer and now this time there’s more

If people can’t grasp that this is how it’s going to be in this day and age, that’s their issue

The players aren’t generally connected to the fans in the same way because they know they can get a move away whenever

As I said, JBG has been a bit part player for ages, if he wants to go then that’s fine
Thanks for everything and all the best

[Blyclaret]

I hope Zaroury and Benson both stay.

Before the window opened we had: Koleosho/Zaroury + Odobert/Benson

That to me was perfect.

Zaroury is gone … £9m to French team Lens.

[claretskeith]

Zaroury is gone … £9m to French team Lens.

Decent fee, but only if we replace him with someone just as good.

[Clive 1960]

I dunno but spending £25 mil thereabouts you are fit & firing it's a thorough medical & a quick recovery from an alleged niggle. You can obviously draw your own conclusions from that.

it's been the same for many years if you were selling a player come Saturday and they had flu in middle of summer now it's a alleged injury..

[Jakubclaret]

it's been the same for many years if you were selling a player come Saturday and they had flu in middle of summer now it's a alleged injury..

Anybody operating on more than a single brain cell knew he was going & the niggle was nonsense. I think a few more might go before the window slams shut.

[Hapag Lloyd]

Anybody operating on more than a single brain cell knew he was going & the niggle was nonsense. I think a few more might go before the window slams shut.

Really…what makes you think that ?

[JarrowClaret]

Anybody operating on more than a single brain cell knew he was going & the niggle was nonsense. I think a few more might go before the window slams shut.

Odebert played but was going. so why change it for Berge, from that perspective what you are saying makes no sense and no need to insult people’s intelligence because they choose to believe what is stated.

It is obvious we are losing more players we still have too many more than we can register

[Jakubclaret]

Really…what makes you think that ?

The combination of SB wanting to play in the PL & £25m needed & trimming the wage bill.