Summer 2024 Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome

[TsarBomba]

Why loan obafemi? He’s a better option off the bench than mcnally or a keeper!?

Exactly- there can’t be many clubs, if any, that allow players to go before replacements are brought in.

Same can be said for Zaroury. Why has his transfer been sanctioned? Could it not have waited 2/3 days.

Unless, things are so toxic, and have deteriorated so much, that players want out and need moving on asap.

[boatshed bill]

Unless, things are so toxic, and have deteriorated so much, that players want out and need moving on asap.

This is interesting.
Perhaps it's been down to the attitude of some players for longer than we know.

[agreenwood]

If all of those players leave then I'd agree that this would be very unhealthy, but I'm surprised that you, and one or two others, are getting so anxious about things quite yet. Whilst we can be confident that Berge, JBG, probably Trafford and Weghorst will leave, and that we're likely to cash in on a few squad players in order to thin the squad and release funds (quite possibly Benson being one), I don't think we should be presuming all the rest of the first team squad who have been linked with moves will go. We can't stop clubs having an interest in our players, and clearly, we'll have asking prices for players, but as other players leave the asking prices for those who remain may well increase, or we may decide that other players are no longer available at all. That strikes me as a perfectly natural part of the process of looking to ensure the squad is suitably trimmed by the deadline (and ideally ahead of it so that Parker can put his stamp on the squad) - it's inevitably a juggling act. There's a lot of speculation and the social media journalists inevitably send this into overdrive, but it doesn't mean we're actively looking to move out all of these players.

As for Worrall, I think it's actually reassuring that we've got a contingency in case O'Shea does leave. Worrall has been a leader at Forest and whilst i'd prefer to keep O'Shea, if he leaves we need players who can add leadership, promotion know-how and also who can be relied upon to be keystones of the squad over a period of years, as saleable prospects come and go around them (this is a point Checketts made on Mission to Burnley and strikes me as a point well made and missed from the strategy 12 months ago). Worrall fits that bill well, just as Cullen did when he arrived 2 summers ago.

Calm heads needed. We've got a massive squad that needs trimming so the news players are leaving or might be leaving isn't a surprise.

I think you might be coming round to my way of thinking now.

[Conroysleftfoot]

SSN saying O'Shea is 12 plus 3, absolute joke of a fee.

Just seen that. Incredible when you think that Brentford paid about twice that for the Liverpool defender.

[CoolClaret]

Someone tell me how it makes sense losing O'Shea for effectively the fee that we're now committed to paying with Bashir Humphreys? WTF?!

[claretskeith]

I think you might be coming round to my way of thinking now.

I don't get that. All he says which now makes sense is regards to Worrall.

[Row x]

Just seen that. Incredible when you think that Brentford paid about twice that for the Liverpool defender.

One had a 15m relegation clause, the other didn't.

[Blyclaret]

Because the board think Humphreys will be a £30m pound player. O Shea will never be. In fact the price we got is amazing.

[123EasyasBFC]

One had a 15m relegation clause, the other didn't.

It’s not a release clause if it’s 12m with 3m add ons, release clauses are paid in full

[Hipper]

Firstly I don't see this current, and hopefully temporary, mess as VK's fault. He operated under the policy that the board wanted.

If you look at it this way, the Board's only policy is to buy players and later sell them at a profit. That's how they will make their money and benefit from managing our club. Promotion to the Premier League can be looked at not as an achievement in the way we fans see it (playing at as high a level as possible, winning trophies etc.) but simply as a method of getting more money to invest. Relegation was a pity because staying up would get us more money to invest but it's not vital in their scheme. If we had stayed up we would still sell and invest again anyway. What's happening now is that last season's investments are paying dividends, exactly as planned. The policy is working.

If it doesn't work on the pitch that either doesn't matter to the board or they expect that any manager (Parker at the moment) can do what VK did and take a bunch of many unknowns and mould them into a successful team. I don't know if Parker has any history of doing this but I don't think he has.

I'd also like to point out that we have more points now then we did after three games in The Championship last time!

So now our pleasure in football is not from seeing us winning, trophies etc. but to enjoy the progress of new players as they develop and get sold for vast sums. It's just a new way of looking at things.

[Row x]

It’s not a release clause if it’s 12m with 3m add ons, release clauses are paid in full

Not if the club's agree a different payment option.
The offer of 15m triggers the release

[agreenwood]

I don't get that. All he says which now makes sense is regards to Worrall.

You don’t get that I suggested a huge squad turnover after the season has started might prove massively disruptive? Even though both Parker and Esteve have said the same thing in their post match interview today?

Spice was suggesting posters were overacting. The line up today and gamble of needing several signings next week and a rapid bedding in period suggests the concerns of a week ago were valid.

[CoolClaret]

Firstly I don't see this current, and hopefully temporary, mess as VK's fault. He operated under the policy that the board wanted.

If you look at it this way, the Board's only policy is to buy players and later sell them at a profit. That's how they will make their money and benefit from managing our club. Promotion to the Premier League can be looked at not as an achievement in the way we fans see it (playing at as high a level as possible, winning trophies etc.) but simply as a method of getting more money to invest. Relegation was a pity because staying up would get us more money to invest but it's not vital in their scheme. If we had stayed up we would still sell and invest again anyway. What's happening now is that last season's investments are paying dividends, exactly as planned. The policy is working.

If it doesn't work on the pitch that either doesn't matter to the board or they expect that any manager (Parker at the moment) can do what VK did and take a bunch of many unknowns and mould them into a successful team. I don't know if Parker has any history of doing this but I don't think he has.

I'd also like to point out that we have more points now then we did after three games in The Championship last time!

So now our pleasure in football is not from seeing us winning, trophies etc. but to enjoy the progress of new players as they develop and get sold for vast sums. It's just a new way of looking at things.

It's not quite as simple as you're suggesting, the club still owes money on those transfers from last summer and the club's income stream has been massively slashed following relegation.

The sales are because due to this stupid strategy, the club cannot naturally afford the full operating costs after relegation but don't worry, all investors will still get their dividends.

[claretskeith]

You don’t get that I suggested a huge squad turnover after the season has started might prove massively disruptive? Even though both Parker and Esteve have said the same thing in their post match interview today?

Spice was suggesting posters were overacting. The line up today and gamble of needing several signings next week and a rapid bedding in period suggests the concerns of a week ago were valid.

I'm saying you're repeating what was said 50 times before you brought it up. Why repost what has already been said?

[Conroysleftfoot]

Firstly I don't see this current, and hopefully temporary, mess as VK's fault. He operated under the policy that the board wanted.

If you look at it this way, the Board's only policy is to buy players and later sell them at a profit. That's how they will make their money and benefit from managing our club. Promotion to the Premier League can be looked at not as an achievement in the way we fans see it (playing at as high a level as possible, winning trophies etc.) but simply as a method of getting more money to invest. Relegation was a pity because staying up would get us more money to invest but it's not vital in their scheme. If we had stayed up we would still sell and invest again anyway. What's happening now is that last season's investments are paying dividends, exactly as planned. The policy is working.

If it doesn't work on the pitch that either doesn't matter to the board or they expect that any manager (Parker at the moment) can do what VK did and take a bunch of many unknowns and mould them into a successful team. I don't know if Parker has any history of doing this but I don't think he has.

I'd also like to point out that we have more points now then we did after three games in The Championship last time!

So now our pleasure in football is not from seeing us winning, trophies etc. but to enjoy the progress of new players as they develop and get sold for vast sums. It's just a new way of looking at things.

We have always been a 'selling' club but it's one thing selling 1 or 2 players a season and another selling most of the squad. That ain't going to work on a regular basis.

[warksclaret]

John Egan close

You're joking

[123EasyasBFC]

Get Hannibal over the line
Sell Amdouni if he doesn’t want to be here and swap weghorst for akpom so we have a number 10 who can score goals
Keep koleosho but sign Sarmiento to replace zaroury
Then find a right winger to replace benson and a striker to actually challenge foster

[IanMcL]

https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/fo ... ip-winger/

Another talent on his bike.

These Yanks are on their way, having emptied the club.

[123EasyasBFC]

John Egan close

No he’s not

[claretskeith]

https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/fo ... ip-winger/

Another talent on his bike.

These Yanks are on their way, having emptied the club.

We could have roasted the Championship.

[Steddyman]

The fact we have waited till a week before the transfer window closes before moving on so many players, tell me we probably didn't get our asking prices. Sounds like we held out and held out, then panicked when only one week remained and took the best offers.

I get the feeling some of the outgoings are because Alan is too nice and wants the best for the players. He should be holding strong onto players Parker has told him he needs for promotion, even if they want to leave.

[IanMcL]

We could have roasted the Championship.

Instead the Yanks have roasted Burnley FC.

[willsclarets]

Get Hannibal over the line
Sell Amdouni if he doesn’t want to be here and swap weghorst for akpom so we have a number 10 who can score goals
Keep koleosho but sign Sarmiento to replace zaroury
Then find a right winger to replace benson and a striker to actually challenge foster

If that all happens (amdouni leaving aside), uptheclarets will be all rainbows once more

[Pearcey]

I can’t see us flogging Koleosho. I’m pretty level headed but that would really hack me off.

[claretskeith]

I can’t see us flogging Koleosho. I’m pretty level headed but that would really hack me off.

I'm level-headed but they are selling anybody.

[Goody1975]

Instead the Yanks have roasted Burnley FC.

We are all frustrated but using the word 'Yanks', it's not the first time you've done it this week. We are better than that.

As for the owners selling everything before leaving, we've signed Worrall and Humphries this week. It's not great, I'm not happy with the extent of the players leaving but let's see where we are at at the weekend.

[Pearcey]

I'm level-headed but they are selling anybody.

They seem to be selling players who have said they want to go. I think we had a squad with quite a few questionable characters in it which is why I was happy with Worrall coming in.

[PremierLeagueClass]

Instead the Yanks have roasted Burnley FC.

Please give it a rest Ian. There must be something better you could be doing.

[Silkyskills1]

We need a 20 goal a season striker, and Foster isn’t that.

He most definetly isn’t.

[dermotdermot]

Get Hannibal over the line
Sell Amdouni if he doesn’t want to be here and swap weghorst for akpom so we have a number 10 who can score goals
Keep koleosho but sign Sarmiento to replace zaroury
Then find a right winger to replace benson and a striker to actually challenge foster

That’s a lot to do in six days. I think that we’ve had it. Unbelievable turn of events. We’ve been taken to the cleaners, lads.

[agreenwood]

We now look desperate to sign footballers.

Two main concerns about that:

1) The prices go up

2) Who wants to sign for a desperate club who are shedding their star assets one after another?

[Newcastleclaret93]

We now look desperate to sign footballers.

Two main concerns about that:

1) The prices go up

2) Who wants to sign for a desperate club who are shedding their star assets one after another?

On the flip side many young guns will look at us and say we are a great stepping stone

[Sapperclaret73]

And now SP has told the media that we’re letting players leave, there’s a good chances their price will be lower.

[123EasyasBFC]

That’s a lot to do in six days. I think that we’ve had it. Unbelievable turn of events. We’ve been taken to the cleaners, lads.

It is a lot to do but sold 3 players in one day this week, there will be deals in the pipeline

[ksrclaret]

The word shambles doesn’t begin to do our club justice at the moment.

We’ve been mismanaged to such an extreme degree over the last 15 months that sales of beyond £100m are necessary and our players are either desperately looking for a move, in limbo, or just powerless to watch it all going off around them.

Things need fixing in this coming week and then we need to pray that there is an exit for our chaotic owners that doesn’t hurt the club too much.

[claretspice]

We now look desperate to sign footballers.

Two main concerns about that:

1) The prices go up

2) Who wants to sign for a desperate club who are shedding their star assets one after another?

Correct

[agreenwood]

Correct

The rub will come when it’s us vs A N Other club vying for a player signature.

[Since62]

Don't want to go over lots of old ground but this is what happens if the policy is buy to sell rather than buy to strengthen. I'm hoping that once the 25 squad members are named (whoever they may be) then SP will be able to create a team. That said it may not be a promotion winning team but at least one I can support.

[boatshed bill]

I know this is slightly off topic, but
Wouldn't it be better to spend a couple of seasons in the Championship and develop a few of our own prospects?
I doubt we'll ever be able to buy a PL squad.

[xxmunkyennuixx]

Too much upheaval this week. Was surprised by the state of that bench today. Given the week we've had, certain unavailable players just smells bad - Cullen, Koleosho. If the selection is similar next week, Pace will be in for a rough afternoon because the result will not be going in our favour. Don't think he understands us at all but if it goes wrong next week he will be doing some learning really ******* fast. On and off the pitch has been shite since the start of the EPL season.

We need some quality additions in forward and wide areas. We need a CM.

[Since62]

Some of our own prospects coming through to the first team would be good but I'm not sure how likely that is.
The other point about the Championship is that some supporters enjoy it more than the PL so a 1-0 loss at Sunderland is not necessarily a big deal.

[randomclaret2]

I know this is slightly off topic, but
Wouldn't it be better to spend a couple of seasons in the Championship and develop a few of our own prospects?
I doubt we'll ever be able to buy a PL squad.

Havent we just had 7 out of 8 seasons in the Premier League ?

[Jakubs Tash]

Desperate for forward players - centre forwards, no 10, wingers and a centre mid.

The irony is, I reckon we’d have won with Benson and Zaroury on the wings today.

Every day feels like a punch in the guts at the moment being a Burnley fan. Massive week ahead. Surely we are going to spend some of this money we have brought in…..

[Big Vinny K]

On the flip side many young guns will look at us and say we are a great stepping stone

No they won’t.
…..they’ll think why should I sign for a club who are selling all their best players ?
Or why should i sign for a club where even if I help them get promoted they’ll drop me next season ?

It’s hard to think that many players of whatever age are looking at us and thinking anything other than we are in a mess.
I’m sure we will sign players next week - or else I think SP would walk. No way did he sign up for this kind of upheaval. When he talked about “bumps in the road” I doubt he was thinking an earthquake.

The last few days of the transfer window is a terrible time to bring in players most of whom SP will probably want in his first eleven especially when it’s likely that he still does not know who is going to be leaving before the end of the week.

In other news Lee Mooney has said that he is 87% sure that we have a 23% chance of top 6.

[claretspice]

The rub will come when it’s us vs A N Other club vying for a player signature.

It's very hard for players to know exactly what they are buying into now, and that is a difference from 2 summers ago.

[Andreshotboots]

Too much upheaval this week. Was surprised by the state of that bench today. Given the week we've had, certain unavailable players just smells bad - Cullen, Koleosho. If the selection is similar next week, Pace will be in for a rough afternoon because the result will not be going in our favour. Don't think he understands us at all but if it goes wrong next week he will be doing some learning really ******* fast. On and off the pitch has been shite since the start of the EPL season.

The only positive I can take from today is 2 years ago we had a poor performance against Sheffield untied pre Blackburn. My worry is this time at the moment we don't have a Tella, Anas in our ranks. A massive few days in the transfer window for this chairman..

[kentonclaret]

Some of our own prospects coming through to the first team would be good but I'm not sure how likely that is.
The other point about the Championship is that some supporters enjoy it more than the PL so a 1-0 loss at Sunderland is not necessarily a big deal.

The 1-0 loss isn’t a big deal. The concern is the 11 players that took the field and the weakness of our bench featuring a couple of ‘keepers.

[123EasyasBFC]

Desperate for forward players - centre forwards, no 10, wingers and a centre mid.

The irony is, I reckon we’d have won with Benson and Zaroury on the wings today.

Every day feels like a punch in the guts at the moment being a Burnley fan. Massive week ahead. Surely we are going to spend some of this money we have brought in…..

It is as simple as that really yes we probably do win the game if benson and zaroury are playing.

However zaroury apparently refused to play last week because he had a move and even though it seemed in pre season Parker was trying to give benson confidence. If they are both adamant they don’t want to be at the club then it’s right they are moved on

[claretskeith]

The 1-0 loss isn’t a big deal. The concern is the 11 players that took the field and the weakness of our bench featuring a couple of ‘keepers.

What I've already said. It's nothing to do with the fact it was 1-0.

[boatshed bill]

Havent we just had 7 out of 8 seasons in the Premier League ?

Irrelevant to the point.
I doubt our finances will ever allow us to buy an entire PL squad now, or any time soon.