ARTICLE: O’Shea joins Ipswich

[BurnleyFC]

I stand corrected. Maybe there's just no interest in him as a quick google doesn't suggest theres been any bids rejected.

At the time after Berge’s slow start for us, a lot of our fans were wishing we’d signed Hamer instead.

I think he scored a goal on debut for them as well.

[Flixtonclaret1]

I wish him well.

I’m not sure it was a case of Dara wanting away, more like we wanted him away.

His parents were in the Burnley end at Luton and were happy to engage with us.

He did not want away but the club made it clear if the offer was right he would be sold.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Not one team in the history of football has ever been successful by selling the whole team every season after relegation.

We have some real dumb arses in charge of the club, needs to give Garlick a ring and ask for some honest feedback.

[Clovius Boofus]

I get that players are sold and that relegation means cost-cutting, however, we've now adopted an 'open to all offers' policy. I dread to think where we'll be in a couple of years time.

[Darthlaw]

Sheffield United signed Hamer and Souza (the star midfielders I was referring to) last season. Just like Watford for example signed Sarr while they were in PL. So not sure what the pattern is all about.

Giving individual examples is great and all, but I'm still waiting for you to justify why a player is 'showing loyalty' or buying into 'the plan' on a lesser wage, with the opportunity of higher level football is on offer.

Maybe Koleosho will be our Sarr? A player who started well but struggled with injury thereafter, not quite convincing others to come snap him up for a year?

[Swizzlestick]

Wolves are in talks to sign Koleosho.

[Claretnick]

Wolves are in talks to sign Koleosho.
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I had hoped we would keep some talent as we missed him badly last season, looks like no chance now if talks are progressing......

[JohnMac]

Players cannot be 'Sold' without their agreement. Any offer accepted by the Club means they buyer must incentivise the player to sign, money talks and Players listen.

[BurnleyFC]

Players cannot be 'Sold' without their agreement. Any offer accepted by the Club means they buyer must incentivise the player to sign, money talks and Players listen.

They can’t.

But they can be whored about by their club, whether they initially had any intention to leave or not.

[Raconteur]

That meant they had to sell this year
But the values went up
So it still worked somewhat

It did. That is why i mentioned it.

It shows that you don't have to sell a want away player like some people are saying on here

[BleedingClaret]

It did. That is why i mentioned it.

It shows that you don't have to sell a want away player like some people are saying on here

Agreed

And you could argue that if you at least keep them til Jan

If you look odds on to go up they’ll likely want to stay and if not you sell them, probably for more cos a team that are 50/50 to survive in the Prem or top of the Championship will pay more at that point to secure their place in the Prem

[bfcjg]

Good luck to him,always gave his best.

[Raconteur]

Agreed

And you could argue that if you at least keep them til Jan

If you look odds on to go up they’ll likely want to stay and if not you sell them, probably for more cos a team that are 50/50 to survive in the Prem or top of the Championship will pay more at that point to secure their place in the Prem

Totally agree with this.

[Stayingup]

Not one team in the history of football has ever been successful by selling the whole team every season after relegation.

We have some real dumb arses in charge of the club, needs to give Garlick a ring and ask for some honest feedback.

Take your point but Mr G is still trying to get his hand out of his pocket.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Take your point but Mr G is still trying to get his hand out of his pocket.

The Americans are here because of Garlick but maybe he could guide them a bit when they are so obviously lost, hopefully he feels a little bit guilty about all this being a fan an all.

[Cirrus_Minor]

I was talking too a West brom fan recently during a trip through America. He reckons that O'Shea was recovering from a long term injury when he first came to us and rated him very highly. I agree and think we have lost a really good player. What worries me all of this is now unsettling our better players and we are becoming a pale shadow of what we were just a few weeks ago.

[boyyanno]

How do you know O'Shea 'wants to leave' - that is conjecture. He played the first two games no problem and looked comitted and was one of the only leaders on the pitch last year.

So is O'Shea, he's only 25 which is nothing for a centre half. Stinks of kicking the debt can down the road.

You can see it all over the pitch in my opinion.

Losing O'Shea would have possibly paved way for AAD to come back into the fold- instead we sell him and commit to buying another young one instead.

Zaroury could have stayed and competed for a widespot in Odoberts absence- instead we sell him and end up with Hountondji playing left wing.

Twine could have maybe been an option an CAM. All these players are better than what we have right now and (based on the links I've seen)- I'm not convinced we are replacing the players that have left with better quality than the fringe talent we already have sold/will sell. that is a big concern for me.

[Burnley Ace]

He did not want away but the club made it clear if the offer was right he would be sold.

He isn’t a slave he has a contract with the club and can only be sold if he agrees. What are the club going to do, put him with the under 21s?

[FCBurnley]

I would not want to be Alan Pace if we lose to Rovers

[ervi34]

I stand corrected. Maybe there's just no interest in him as a quick google doesn't suggest theres been any bids rejected.

I think AC Milan were interested in Souza at one point. But no bids doesn't instantly mean there's no interest.

Another player that just came to my mind is Sander Berge. The same Berge who signed for Sheffield United when they were in PL and yet gave them two seasons in the Championship. At one point he was linked with Liverpool and Fulham.

Giving individual examples is great and all, but I'm still waiting for you to justify why a player is 'showing loyalty' or buying into 'the plan' on a lesser wage, with the opportunity of higher level football is on offer.

Maybe Koleosho will be our Sarr? A player who started well but struggled with injury thereafter, not quite convincing others to come snap him up for a year?

Sorry, but I'm not sure what exactly are you asking. I'm just giving examples of star players staying with other relegated clubs while it is normal for them to leave Burnley on two occasions in three years.

[jojomk1]

O'Shea: The manager was a huge reason I came here
We told you earlier that Dara O'Shea had completed a move to Ipswich from Burnley to become the club's 11th summer addition.

The Tractor Boys have been extremely active since they sealed promotion in May with the likes of Sammie Szmodics, Kalvin Phillips and Jack Clarke all joining in August.

O'Shea is the latest new face through the door for Kieran McKenna's team and has penned a five-year deal at Portman Road after he spent last campaign in the top flight with Burnley.

"It was really hard not to pay attention to everything the team was able to achieve last season and to have the chance to join a club with such ambition and momentum was really attractive," O'Shea told the official club website.

"The manager was a huge part of why I wanted to come here. I've really admired what he and the team have done over the last couple of seasons, so at this stage of my career it's the perfect time to make the move.

"I want to play in the Premier League and test myself against the best players in the world, which is something I want to do for as long as possible. And I can't think of a better place to do that."

[scouseclaret]

Not one team in the history of football has ever been successful by selling the whole team every season after relegation.

We have some real dumb arses in charge of the club, needs to give Garlick a ring and ask for some honest feedback.

Or maybe ask if he’s interested in reinvesting some of the £100m+ him and fellow Burnley fan John B took out of the club. Has his option expired yet?

[gawthorpe_view]

McDonalds have a better staff retention record than us ...

The hot tap in their toilets runs faster than some of our players did yesterday

[AGENT_CLARET]

Not one team in the history of football has ever been successful by selling the whole team every season after relegation.

We have some real dumb arses in charge of the club, needs to give Garlick a ring and ask for some honest feedback.

In the 2022/23 we sold/released more players than we have currently done, we then brought in a complete new squad all this was straight after RELEGATION, we then went on to P1ss the league with 101 points, Short memory

[SPC&G]

McDonalds have a better staff retention record than us ...

I’ve no beef with this statement

[CoolClaret]

In the 2022/23 we sold/released more players than we have currently done, we then brought in a complete new squad all this was straight after RELEGATION, we then went on to P1ss the league with 101 points, Short memory

How many teams in history have done anything remotely similar? It was a fabulous achievement and quite literally everything clicked.

The fact that it happened to us once, two seasons ago, doesn't guarantee that achievement will repeat itself predictably.

[Commy]

It's alright them saying they don't want players who don't want to be here but they are selling players who do. Twine wanted to stay but he was told he was going. It looks like O'Shea was happy to stay, but was told he was going. This is more than players not wanting to be here.

[jojomk1]

It's alright them saying they don't want players who don't want to be here but they are selling players who do. Twine wanted to stay but he was told he was going. It looks like O'Shea was happy to stay, but was told he was going. This is more than players not wanting to be here.

If the above statement was correct, O'Shea wanted to go to Ipswich or maybe he is another Robbie Keane who always dreamed of playing for the clubs he had just signed for

[Burnley Ace]

It looks like O'Shea was happy to stay, but was told he was going.

Have you read his comments? What gives you the slightest idea that he wanted to stay? It seems like the choice was another guaranteed season in the Premiership or a long seasons graft in the Championship.

[Jakubclaret]

I wish him well.

I’m not sure it was a case of Dara wanting away, more like we wanted him away.

He conducted himself well & was professional about things when all the interest was swirling about. In truth he probably wanted to go to earn extra money & play at a higher level & you can't really blame him & from the club point of view the money was too good to refuse. It's a perfect storm at the moment with players wanting away & the club desperately needing cash.

[Claretitus]

In the 2022/23 we sold/released more players than we have currently done, we then brought in a complete new squad all this was straight after RELEGATION, we then went on to P1ss the league with 101 points, Short memory

Yes we did. But those players all left early in the window, and we signed the replacements across the length of the window. We now need a miracle before the window slams shut, as time is rapidly running out, and it still appears that even more will leave yet. ( Brownhill, Koleosho, Benson, maybe AAD ).

[boatshed bill]

I'm not too fussed about this one.
O'Shea gave maximum effort, no doubting that, but was often caught out of position.
Top end Championship/bottom end PL is about his level.

[Foshiznik]

Happy to see him go. Doesn’t want to play for us so would rather play those who do.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

How do you know O'Shea 'wants to leave' - that is conjecture. He played the first two games no problem and looked comitted and was one of the only leaders on the pitch last year.

So is O'Shea, he's only 25 which is nothing for a centre half. Stinks of kicking the debt can down the road.

He wants to be in the PL, there was a club offering him another crack at it
He’s gone

[Jakubclaret]

He wants to be in the PL, there was a club offering him another crack at it
He’s gone

He agreed to be sold you can't sell a player against his wishes both the club & player need to agree. So if he didn't want to go he could have refused.

[dsr]

He agreed to be sold you can't sell a player against his wishes both the club & player need to agree. So if he didn't want to go he could have refused.

There's a big range of meaning in "he didn't want to be here". Some players, we are told, are desperate to get away and are doing all they can to make it happen. Others, we are told, would have preferred to stop but have come to the conclusion that they aren't wanted and would be better off elsewhere. To fit them all under a single blanket of "didn't want to be here" would be misleading.

[Somethingfishy]

O'Shea: The manager was a huge reason I came here
We told you earlier that Dara O'Shea had completed a move to Ipswich from Burnley to become the club's 11th summer addition.

The Tractor Boys have been extremely active since they sealed promotion in May with the likes of Sammie Szmodics, Kalvin Phillips and Jack Clarke all joining in August.

O'Shea is the latest new face through the door for Kieran McKenna's team and has penned a five-year deal at Portman Road after he spent last campaign in the top flight with Burnley.

"It was really hard not to pay attention to everything the team was able to achieve last season and to have the chance to join a club with such ambition and momentum was really attractive," O'Shea told the official club website.

"The manager was a huge part of why I wanted to come here. I've really admired what he and the team have done over the last couple of seasons, so at this stage of my career it's the perfect time to make the move.

"I want to play in the Premier League and test myself against the best players in the world, which is something I want to do for as long as possible. And I can't think of a better place to do that."

He will need to rinse and repeat that again next season most probably. Didn't he say similar when he signed for us? Farcical.

[bobinho]

I wish him well.

I’m not sure it was a case of Dara wanting away, more like we wanted him away.

And you managed to pick that particular nugget up from?

[Row Z]

And you managed to pick that particular nugget up from?

Think it’s an assumption based on SP saying some players didn’t want to be at the football club and would therefore be moved on.

I suspect it’s a mixture of some players not having relegation wage drops and therefore the club are keen to move them on, whilst others signed for VK or just for the premier league and are wanting to move on themselves.

[Jakubclaret]

There's a big range of meaning in "he didn't want to be here". Some players, we are told, are desperate to get away and are doing all they can to make it happen. Others, we are told, would have preferred to stop but have come to the conclusion that they aren't wanted and would be better off elsewhere. To fit them all under a single blanket of "didn't want to be here" would be misleading.

Like I've already said nobody can be forced to be moved on even if it's in the club's best interests. People are willingly getting sold because both parties are agreeing to it it's the only way it can happen there's no other way. People don't want to be here & the club needs the money simply put.

[dsr]

Like I've already said nobody can be forced to be moved on even if it's in the club's best interests. People are willingly getting sold because both parties are agreeing to it it's the only way it can happen there's no other way. People don't want to be here & the club needs the money simply put.

Of course they can't be forced to be sold. You can tell a player "we don't want you, we aren't going to play you, you'll train with the under 21s if you stay, but another club is willing to pay you twice what you're on here" and he still doesn't have to go. That's the literal fact.

But in practice, how many players wouild stay under those terms? It's pretty much true of any job - if your boss wants you out and someone else offers you more money for the same job, you leave.

[fidelcastro]

He will need to rinse and repeat that again next season most probably. Didn't he say similar when he signed for us? Farcical.

It really is an insult to intelligence.

I'd actually have more respect for a player if he said "I've come here because they offered me more money than what I was getting at my previous club. Simple as that really".

[criminalclaret]

I doubt it. Ipswich will keep hold of him rather than make it clear they are open to offers

He will have a relegation clause (like all players who sign for PL clubs) allowing him to move on easily if they are relegated. His agent will make sure of it.

He's put himself in the shop window again for another season in the PL. Can't blame him, but even he will have one eye on the door all season for certain.

[criminalclaret]

It really is an insult to intelligence.

I'd actually have more respect for a player if he said "I've come here because they offered me more money than what I was getting at my previous club. Simple as that really".

Yep but anyone who has ever had a job in their life doesn't say on the first day to their employers "I'm only here for myself lads, just so you know"

[Jakubclaret]

Of course they can't be forced to be sold. You can tell a player "we don't want you, we aren't going to play you, you'll train with the under 21s if you stay, but another club is willing to pay you twice what you're on here" and he still doesn't have to go. That's the literal fact.

But in practice, how many players wouild stay under those terms? It's pretty much true of any job - if your boss wants you out and someone else offers you more money for the same job, you leave.

We are pretty much down to the bare bones financially up sh1t creek with promotion a high priority more than it's ever been. it's very unlikely the club would adopt that kind of stance. A sensible arrangements been brokered. In some ways despite our relegation kompany hasn't left us that bad asset wise.

[fidelcastro]

Yep but anyone who has ever had a job in their life doesn't say on the first day to their employers "I'm only here for myself lads, just so you know"

Actually, I think I have!

[Elizabeth]

Money back and a bit more for a season’s worth of performances which . while better than a lot of the new signings at the time , still lacked.
Conducted himself well in a Claret shirt so no complaints from me about the player. Maybe his ability to score may be missed by I think overall we will be better off with Worrell.
At the level we are now playing I think it’s a great deal for the club