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Thomas Tuchel

Post by AGENT_CLARET » Tue Oct 15, 2024 1:50 pm

In talks to be the next England manager
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Re: Thomas Tuchel

Post by Vegas Claret » Tue Oct 15, 2024 2:40 pm

Bayern got rid of him far too quickly and then he refused to stay once they had changed their mind. A very experienced manager, good luck to him if he gets it. It'll bring out all the idiots though
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Re: Thomas Tuchel

Post by bumba » Tue Oct 15, 2024 2:50 pm

Very good manager and ability wise he has everything to succeed as England manager.
The only gripe is obviously his nationality because there's every chance we could play Germany in a major tournament.
He's a big step up from Southgate though.

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Re: Thomas Tuchel

Post by xxmunkyennuixx » Tue Oct 15, 2024 3:06 pm

Tends to argue with his players. Could be another Capello but at least he is tactically astute.

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Re: Thomas Tuchel

Post by Poulton-le-Claret » Tue Oct 15, 2024 3:08 pm

No contest between him and Carsley.
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Re: Thomas Tuchel

Post by HahaYeah » Tue Oct 15, 2024 3:14 pm

At least he has some track record unlike that berk Southgate.

I'd rather have an Englishman.
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Re: Thomas Tuchel

Post by ashtonlongsider » Tue Oct 15, 2024 3:34 pm

I think he'd be a good choice. Quite possibly England are getting in before United imo. Think he's someone who shows authority and that's what's needed to deal with some of these big ego's.

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Re: Thomas Tuchel

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Tue Oct 15, 2024 3:37 pm

Will be interesting to see how he gets on

He's been left a talented and now very experienced squad who've shown they can now repeatedly get to the finals, or the semis and that's down to the great work and foundations laid by Southgate

Its the perfect time for a more experienced manager to take over, all the hardwork has been done
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Re: Thomas Tuchel

Post by exilecanada » Tue Oct 15, 2024 3:39 pm

HahaYeah wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2024 3:14 pm
At least he has some track record unlike that berk Southgate.

I'd rather have an Englishman.
I'm sure most would prefer an Englishman, however the bottom line is finding someone who can win major trophies with the current crop of very, very talented individuals. Tuchel just may be that man.

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Re: Thomas Tuchel

Post by Sheedyclaret » Tue Oct 15, 2024 4:02 pm

Probably the best of what’s available good luck to him if appointed

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Re: Thomas Tuchel

Post by claret2018 » Tue Oct 15, 2024 4:11 pm

I see we’re back to the “big name” managerial choices. Aside from the Champions League win with Chelsea he’s not got much on his CV that makes him stand out.

I’ll be happy to eat my words but I think we’ll be back to the days of being knocked out in the last 16.

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Re: Thomas Tuchel

Post by Socrates » Tue Oct 15, 2024 4:25 pm

Hope he gets it just to see the Daily Mail response to a German managing England.
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Re: Thomas Tuchel

Post by Walton » Tue Oct 15, 2024 4:32 pm

claret2018 wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2024 4:11 pm
I see we’re back to the “big name” managerial choices. Aside from the Champions League win with Chelsea he’s not got much on his CV that makes him stand out.

I’ll be happy to eat my words but I think we’ll be back to the days of being knocked out in the last 16.
Aye, apart from the Bundesliga, Ligue 1, the Champions League, the Super Cup, the Club World Cup, FIFA coach of the year, UEFA coach of the year and many others, what exactly has he won?
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Re: Thomas Tuchel

Post by Vegas Claret » Tue Oct 15, 2024 4:51 pm

He got far more out of Kane than VK has
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Re: Thomas Tuchel

Post by NottsClaret » Tue Oct 15, 2024 4:56 pm

International football/sport is a pretty vague concept now anyway, with players often choosing who to play for and occasionally swapping sides. Inevitable with everyone being so global and interlinked today, which is great and all. And then having a foreign coach too, just all feels a bit Europa League rather than country v country.

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Re: Thomas Tuchel

Post by bobinho » Tue Oct 15, 2024 5:12 pm

Nationality irrelevant for me.

Ability is everything.

I’m soooo bored with the game right now. I’d just like to see the game played properly. Square pegs in square holes, and I’d like to see an end to managers playing the best players even if it means them playing out of position.
The game doesn't need reinventing, it was fine as it was. It was fine for well over a hundred years.

I’d rather have Southgate than someone pretending to be Southgate, which is exactly what Carsley is.

Doesn’t matter what I want tho, there are boxes to tick at the FA, where footballing knowledge and coaching ability come a distant second to a squeaky clean image.

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Re: Thomas Tuchel

Post by LincsWoldsClaret » Tue Oct 15, 2024 5:50 pm

He did better at Chelsea than Frank Lampard

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Re: Thomas Tuchel

Post by claret2018 » Tue Oct 15, 2024 6:16 pm

Walton wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2024 4:32 pm
Aye, apart from the Bundesliga, Ligue 1, the Champions League, the Super Cup, the Club World Cup, FIFA coach of the year, UEFA coach of the year and many others, what exactly has he won?
He won the French league with PSG and the German with Bayern. I could have done that.

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Re: Thomas Tuchel

Post by Dyched » Tue Oct 15, 2024 6:17 pm

claret2018 wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2024 6:16 pm
[quote=Walton post_id=2432263 time=<a href="tel:1729006327">1729006327</a> user_id=272]
Aye, apart from the Bundesliga, Ligue 1, the Champions League, the Super Cup, the Club World Cup, FIFA coach of the year, UEFA coach of the year and many others, what exactly has he won?
He won the French league with PSG and the German with Bayern. I could have done that.
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Most who win leagues/cups win those with the biggest teams :lol:

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Re: Thomas Tuchel

Post by Burnley1989 » Tue Oct 15, 2024 6:23 pm

claret2018 wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2024 4:11 pm
I see we’re back to the “big name” managerial choices. Aside from the Champions League win with Chelsea he’s not got much on his CV that makes him stand out.

I’ll be happy to eat my words but I think we’ll be back to the days of being knocked out in the last 16.
The sort of comment that gets some real stick in the lads WhatsApp group :lol:

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Re: Thomas Tuchel

Post by jrgbfc » Tue Oct 15, 2024 6:50 pm

Needs a good start, or sections of the media and fanbase will be all over him due to his nationality.
Would prefer an Englishman personally but if the options are Carsley or Potter i'll take Tuchel.

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Re: Thomas Tuchel

Post by BurnleyFC » Tue Oct 15, 2024 6:51 pm

He’s got a good track record, but isn’t his football style a bit safe and pragmatic?

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Re: Thomas Tuchel

Post by ArmchairDetective » Tue Oct 15, 2024 6:54 pm

Reports its been agreed. I'll back whichever candidate gives us the best chance of seeing England win a major tournament. If that's Tuchel then that's fine with me.

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Re: Thomas Tuchel

Post by bfcfan1882 » Tue Oct 15, 2024 7:03 pm

Signed.

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Re: Thomas Tuchel

Post by claret2018 » Tue Oct 15, 2024 7:03 pm

Dyched wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2024 6:17 pm
He won the French league with PSG and the German with Bayern. I could have done that.
Most who win leagues/cups win those with the biggest teams :lol:
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Capello won loads of leagues and cups before England.

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Re: Thomas Tuchel

Post by Terrier » Tue Oct 15, 2024 7:26 pm

Win win for Germany fans when they play us!

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Re: Thomas Tuchel

Post by TheFamilyCat » Tue Oct 15, 2024 7:30 pm

From suave Gareth in his waistcoat to chavvy chic.

I expect him to turn up at Wembley on an E-scooter.

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Re: Thomas Tuchel

Post by Vegas Claret » Tue Oct 15, 2024 7:31 pm

Happy with him being appointed, I couldn't care less where he comes from.
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Re: Thomas Tuchel

Post by Pearcey » Tue Oct 15, 2024 7:37 pm

He’s certainly got pedigree and comes across well. Thanks to the job Southgate did the expectation is now that he must win something to be successful. No good just making finals now!

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Re: Thomas Tuchel

Post by Wokingclaret » Tue Oct 15, 2024 7:44 pm

United's loss

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Re: Thomas Tuchel

Post by GetIntoEm » Tue Oct 15, 2024 7:47 pm

Made me laugh anyway
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Re: Thomas Tuchel

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Tue Oct 15, 2024 8:04 pm

Certainly got the best out of Kane at Bayern.

Got to imagine we will line up similar to how Chelsea did against city in the champions league final. A 343 formation with attacking wing backs.

Pickford
Stones, Colwill, Guehi
Trent, Rice, Bellingham, Chillwell
Palmer, Kane, Foden

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Re: Thomas Tuchel

Post by Vegas Claret » Tue Oct 15, 2024 8:07 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2024 8:04 pm
Certainly got the best out of Kane at Bayern.

Got to imagine we will line up similar to how Chelsea did against city in the champions league final. A 343 formation with attacking wing backs.

Pickford
Stones, Colwill, Guehi
Trent, Rice, Bellingham, Chillwell
Palmer, Kane, Foden
Most regard Pep as the best manager about, take a look at Tuchels record v Pep..........

Massive upgrade in Southgate

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Re: Thomas Tuchel

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Tue Oct 15, 2024 8:12 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2024 8:07 pm
Most regard Pep as the best manager about, take a look at Tuchels record v Pep..........

Massive upgrade in Southgate
I really rate Tuchel never understood why Chelsea shifted him on.

I actually think Tuchel would prefer to play with quick wingers than palmer and Foden.

So perhaps he will tweak the system

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Re: Thomas Tuchel

Post by Pearcey » Tue Oct 15, 2024 8:24 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2024 8:04 pm
Certainly got the best out of Kane at Bayern.

Got to imagine we will line up similar to how Chelsea did against city in the champions league final. A 343 formation with attacking wing backs.

Pickford
Stones, Colwill, Guehi
Trent, Rice, Bellingham, Chillwell
Palmer, Kane, Foden
Chilwell should be nowhere near the England team. He’s absolutely bobbins.

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Re: Thomas Tuchel

Post by Pearcey » Tue Oct 15, 2024 8:30 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2024 8:07 pm
Most regard Pep as the best manager about, take a look at Tuchels record v Pep..........

Massive upgrade in Southgate
To be an upgrade he has to win a tournament surely?

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Re: Thomas Tuchel

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Tue Oct 15, 2024 8:33 pm

Pearcey wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2024 8:24 pm
Chilwell should be nowhere near the England team. He’s absolutely bobbins.
Can’t really think of any other English left back that would suit his system

(Worth noting He picked Chillwell as his starting left back at Chelsea)

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Re: Thomas Tuchel

Post by RVclaret » Tue Oct 15, 2024 8:36 pm

He’s adaptable so not sure why he’d have to play a certain shape just cause he did for one set of players. It was a 4-2-3-1 in the CL semi v Madrid last season, they were v unlucky not to go through.

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Re: Thomas Tuchel

Post by Vegas Claret » Tue Oct 15, 2024 8:39 pm

Pearcey wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2024 8:30 pm
To be an upgrade he has to win a tournament surely?
anyone that doesn't bore me to tears is an upgrade
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Re: Thomas Tuchel

Post by Vegas Claret » Tue Oct 15, 2024 8:40 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2024 8:12 pm
I really rate Tuchel never understood why Chelsea shifted him on.

I actually think Tuchel would prefer to play with quick wingers than palmer and Foden.

So perhaps he will tweak the system
My Chelsea supporting mates both agree with you

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Re: Thomas Tuchel

Post by warksclaret » Tue Oct 15, 2024 8:56 pm

Very surprised that the FA have made such a bold decision-personally I think he has, as Simon Jordan says, a winning gene in him, which Southgate and Carsley dont. With the wealth of talent we have I am quite excited

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Re: Thomas Tuchel

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Tue Oct 15, 2024 9:06 pm

Pearcey wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2024 8:30 pm
To be an upgrade he has to win a tournament surely?
Yes, that's the minimum requirement now after Southgates tenure

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Re: Thomas Tuchel

Post by Tricky Trevor » Tue Oct 15, 2024 9:37 pm

Good luck to him but don’t expect miracles. The problem with English football is average English coaches and players that look good in club football, surrounded by foreign talent, but aren’t all that when without them, as against Greece.
English players are what they have always been happier smoking, drinking, sex maniac, party animals. Foreign players are far more committed to their career and realise how lucky they are. They get the same amount of press scrutiny as our guys but nowhere near the number of sordid stories.

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Re: Thomas Tuchel

Post by Stalbansclaret » Tue Oct 15, 2024 9:53 pm

Too thin-skinned and petulant to carry it off I think. Has a track record of falling out with owners and players. Should be interesting ! I’m surprised they haven’t gone for Eddie Howe though who knows what manoeuvrings and conversations have gone on behind the scenes.

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Re: Thomas Tuchel

Post by Jel » Tue Oct 15, 2024 10:20 pm

Coincidentally, and not knowing about Tuchel, I bought my first German made car today. I was also on holiday there last week.

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Re: Thomas Tuchel

Post by jos » Tue Oct 15, 2024 10:31 pm

If he can teach the team how to win penalty shootouts we may actually win something!

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Re: Thomas Tuchel

Post by boatshed bill » Tue Oct 15, 2024 10:40 pm

claret2018 wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2024 6:16 pm
He won the French league with PSG and the German with Bayern. I could have done that.
What a pity you never got the chance ;)

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Re: Thomas Tuchel

Post by Swizzlestick » Tue Oct 15, 2024 11:15 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2024 9:37 pm
Good luck to him but don’t expect miracles. The problem with English football is average English coaches and players that look good in club football, surrounded by foreign talent, but aren’t all that when without them, as against Greece.
English players are what they have always been happier smoking, drinking, sex maniac, party animals. Foreign players are far more committed to their career and realise how lucky they are. They get the same amount of press scrutiny as our guys but nowhere near the number of sordid stories.
We reached the final in consecutive Euros and were a couple of penalty kicks away from winning it.

The party animals line is nonsense. This isn’t the same days as Gazza and the dentist chair. Players like Saka, Kane, Rice and Bellingham are pretty much model pros.

I think you need to read the relatively recent stories about some of the other teams, notably France and the Netherlands, as they are hardly whiter than white.

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Re: Thomas Tuchel

Post by Swizzlestick » Tue Oct 15, 2024 11:20 pm

As for Tuchel, a very surprising choice by the FA - not because of nationality but more his personality. He’s high quality but also pretty combustible. International management is a different beast to club management though. It won’t be dull which should at least please a lot of Southgate doubters.

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Re: Thomas Tuchel

Post by dougcollins » Wed Oct 16, 2024 12:19 am

Socrates wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2024 4:25 pm
Hope he gets it just to see the Daily Mail response to a German managing England.
I bet it contains the words 'Churchill', 'grave', and 'turn'.

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