Parker pre match v Bristol City

[KRBFC]

I’ve posted previously. He has had some issues that have prevented him from playing.

But it has become an obsession. We even had it because he wasn’t in the under 21 team. I would suggest we might see him play when he’s able to.

Parker said 2 months ago he was back in training and likely a couple of weeks away. So he lied?

Why not just come out and be honest with the fans? Tell us Mike doesn’t want to be here so likely won’t feature for us again.

[nil_desperandum]

Parker said 2 months ago he was back in training and likely a couple of weeks away. So he lied?

Not necessarily a lie. He may have been back in training briefly then had a set-back, or maybe he just wasn't ready to restart training.
I'm not expressing a positive or negative opinion about Tresor, but pointing out that Parker could have made that statement in good faith.

[summitclaret]

Like it has been since Tresor signed it's all so frustrating. We have to trust the Club though.

This type of mistake signing (we didn't need yet another winger) has the potential to bankrupt us if we don't get back up before the para payments expire. ( wages being the big issue). We have to get rid and get as much for him as we can. Given he hasn't played for yonks, it'll most likely be a loan initially with the hope that he proves himself somewhere in Europe. Same as Amdouni.

[NewClaret]

Parker said 2 months ago he was back in training and likely a couple of weeks away. So he lied?

Why not just come out and be honest with the fans? Tell us Mike doesn’t want to be here so likely won’t feature for us again.

This is a bit premature until we see the team sheet tomorrow. Being two weeks away from being selectable meant the earliest he could be selected was Bristol.

If he’s not selected tomorrow, and he’s not going to address him when discussing injuries, there are valid question fans may ask and conclusions you could draw if they remain unanswered.

As ND says, we can’t conclude he’s lied, but I do think it’s a topic that needs some greater clarity either way to shut the conversation down. It can’t be good for the fans to feel out of the picture or mislead and it can’t be good for Tresor to have fans thinking he doesn’t want to be here if he does, or expecting him to play again if that’s not going to happen.

Tony obviously knows what’s happened and is telling us to calm down, so I’ll take that advice but would be a crying shame if Parker’s reputation is damaged because of Tresor. So far I feel he’s been 100% straight with fans so I’m hoping that’s the case now too.

[Big Vinny K]

Parker said 2 months ago he was back in training and likely a couple of weeks away. So he lied?

Why not just come out and be honest with the fans? Tell us Mike doesn’t want to be here so likely won’t feature for us again.

Yeh that’s the spirit….Parker 100% lied to all the press and fans.

Either that or he said that was Tresor was back in training and hopefully back available for selection in next couple of weeks and then either he’s had a set back or he’s just not fit enough or good enough to be selected for our bench yet.

But let’s go with the lying one as that makes most sense.

[warksclaret]

The Tresor situation is a very unfair one on Parker. We are all speculating and you try to read between the lines, but his absence is obviously not down to an injury he picked up playing. Its a lot more complicated. Parker inherited the player and his issues. Parker has been very open and transparent about the team and players, far far more than VK ever was , so give Parker some slack

[daveisaclaret]

If a journo asked Parker a question he didn't want to answer, the journo probably wouldn't get to ask another question ever again.

There's obviously no denying local journalism has died a death, and football journalism is pretty toss, but no question about Tresor is absolutely the club's directive.

[Quickenthetempo]

Football managers lie all the time, it's part of their job description.

[Walt]

An incredibly frustrating situation for me. There's no doubt in my mind there is/was potential for him to be a very good player for us.

Whatever the reasons behind his absence you have to hope he's ok for his own long term wellbeing. From the club and fan perspective, frustrating we have a very expensive footballer offering nothing.

[hoosier-daddy]

I see it that he's clearly not going to play for us again and I just hope we get a sizeable fee for him in January. Enough that can be used to bring in a quality striker. With Redmond not looking too far away, he's another wide option.

[Paulclaret]

The Tresor thing could simply be down to sh*t reporting. Look at today's gem from the Burnley Express

https://www.burnleyexpress.net/sport/fo ... sh-4878524

If you read that, we have a player called Jan Mar, who played for the U23s this week and Anass Zaroury is close to a comeback!!! And we all thought he'd been transferred!

[taio]

As though there's any need to suggest our manager is a liar.

[The Shire Claret]

Think it’s quite clear in this presser without saying it directly that he needs the fans behind them though the good and the bad

We have been poor at times this season which he has also quite clearly said there will be ups and downs

But the downs will have a higher chance of being shorter with support rather than moans and groans on a Matchday

It’s just human nature

I like Scott and everything thing he says and he deserves time and patience to get what he wants in place after the bad hand he was dealt on the transfer window

[TPClaret]

Think it’s quite clear in this presser without saying it directly that he needs the fans behind them though the good and the bad

We have been poor at times this season which he has also quite clearly said there will be ups and downs

But the downs will have a higher chance of being shorter with support rather than moans and groans on a Matchday

It’s just human nature

I like Scott and everything thing he says and he deserves time and patience to get what he wants in place after the bad hand he was dealt on the transfer window

Well said.

[NewClaret]

For those that didn’t hear Parker’s interview pre-Millwall on 31 Oct, here’s what he said:

“Mike is now getting to the point where he’s selectable. He’s been training for a few weeks now. Hopefully he stays fit, as he has been doing, and we’ll him more game time and training time then make a call on that really”

It’s at 22:30 on this video:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_rSPoI1cS0w

[NewClaret]

Think it’s quite clear in this presser without saying it directly that he needs the fans behind them though the good and the bad

We have been poor at times this season which he has also quite clearly said there will be ups and downs

But the downs will have a higher chance of being shorter with support rather than moans and groans on a Matchday

It’s just human nature

I like Scott and everything thing he says and he deserves time and patience to get what he wants in place after the bad hand he was dealt on the transfer window

I agree on all points.

Whilst we’ve witnessed some pretty turgid and impotent stuff, I also think that inbetween and ‘in moments’ there’s been good football that gets overlooked because they ultimately broke down or didn’t execute the final ball well. To an extent, that’s on the players, not Parker. We need more of it and more consistently.

I’d also really like to see us attack with more urgency and be more direct in the last 20 minutes of 0-0’s where we need a goal. But otherwise I think Parker has done a great job.

I also think he’s really likeable and hope we can go on a run now to calm some of the noise.

[Guller Bull]

For those that didn’t hear Parker’s interview pre-Millwall on 31 Oct, here’s what he said:

“Mike is now getting to the point where he’s selectable. He’s been training for a few weeks now. Hopefully he stays fit, as he has been doing, and we’ll him more game time and training time then make a call on that really”

Very carefully worded - "point where he is selectable" Doesn't say "Mike has been frustrated, but can't wait to pull the shirt on and help fire us to promotion!"

Selectable

[NewClaret]

Vet carefully worded - "point where he is selectable" Doesn't say "Mike has been frustrated, but can't wait to pull the shirt on and help fire us to promotion!"

Selectable

Yep and this is my exact point. By saying things like this it inevitably raises fans expectations they’ll be seeing him again soon. Which is fine if we expect them to, but not if realistically we don’t - either because he doesn’t want to be here or Parker doesn’t rate him or whatever. Hence the discussion.

I don’t mind if we hugely screwed up a transfer. All clubs do it, all managers do it and all clubs have management changes that bring about change. I’d just rather we don’t elude to something potentially happening if it’s not. Let’s see.

[Goliath]

For those that didn’t hear Parker’s interview pre-Millwall on 31 Oct, here’s what he said:

“Mike is now getting to the point where he’s selectable. He’s been training for a few weeks now. Hopefully he stays fit, as he has been doing, and we’ll him more game time and training time then make a call on that really”

It’s at 22:30 on this video:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_rSPoI1cS0w

Here are his comments pre Oxford in September.

'Mikey is now back with us. He’s fully trained with the team this week, which was very good for us,” he said.

He was off for a considerable amount of time, he spent a long time out injured so I think we need to tread carefully.

“We’re just picking his work up now and getting him to a level of fitness that means he can keep improving'

So if we presume that was his 1st week of training, he has now been back for 2 full months. That's longer than a full pre season. I've felt all along we are having the wool pulled over our eyes.but hope I'm wrong.

[taio]

Here are his comments pre Oxford in September.

'Mikey is now back with us. He’s fully trained with the team this week, which was very good for us,” he said.

He was off for a considerable amount of time, he spent a long time out injured so I think we need to tread carefully.

“We’re just picking his work up now and getting him to a level of fitness that means he can keep improving'

So if we presume that was his 1st week of training, he has now been back for 2 full months. That's longer than a full pre season. I've felt all along we are having the wool pulled over our eyes.but hope I'm wrong.

Obviously the position could've changed since then. But in any case it appears as though he wasn't putting a timescale on his full return. We know there other things are at play too apparently.

[claretspice]

So if we presume that was his 1st week of training, he has now been back for 2 full months. That's longer than a full pre season. I've felt all along we are having the wool pulled over our eyes.but hope I'm wrong.

I suspect that all of our players who are returning from very long lay-offs with illness and injury will have similar length "pre-seasons". Of course it is longer than a normal pre-season: that's the nature of returning to training when you have a very low level of fitness having been laid up, versus arriving at pre-season with a good base level of fitness.

Parker's comments all seem perfectly consistent to me. He told us Tresor was back in training, but he'd be a while so we shouldn't expect him to be involved too soon. He then said a couple of weeks back, he was close to being "selectable". If we agree as someone suggests that Parker is careful in choosing his words, it seems to me unlikely he would choose to volunteer that information if he didn't think there was quite a good chance of Tresor being involved in the first team reasonably soon.

There are a lot of conspiracy theories around Tresor that are basically grounted in absolutely no evidence. We are told that he has been extremely ill and Tony, has suggested that he legitimately needs to be treated gently and given patience. I think it is generally fair to say Tony has been pretty critical towards the attitudes and mentality of Kompany's signings over his last 12 months, so that seems to me to be pretty good reason to presume these various conspiracy theories should be parked. Lets just see what happens with Tresor.

[dvalley69]

It was obvious from the start of this whole saga: get him up to a stage of fitness where he's available to leave in Jan. Agreements and promises will have been made, including not having to play and risking injury. Hopefully, we can get our money back, more or less.

[Goliath]

I suspect that all of our players who are returning from very long lay-offs with illness and injury will have similar length "pre-seasons". Of course it is longer than a normal pre-season: that's the nature of returning to training when you have a very low level of fitness having been laid up, versus arriving at pre-season with a good base level of fitness.

Parker's comments all seem perfectly consistent to me. He told us Tresor was back in training, but he'd be a while so we shouldn't expect him to be involved too soon. He then said a couple of weeks back, he was close to being "selectable". If we agree as someone suggests that Parker is careful in choosing his words, it seems to me unlikely he would choose to volunteer that information if he didn't think there was quite a good chance of Tresor being involved in the first team reasonably soon.

There are a lot of conspiracy theories around Tresor that are basically grounted in absolutely no evidence. We are told that he has been extremely ill and Tony, has suggested that he legitimately needs to be treated gently and given patience. I think it is generally fair to say Tony has been pretty critical towards the attitudes and mentality of Kompany's signings over his last 12 months, so that seems to me to be pretty good reason to presume these various conspiracy theories should be parked. Lets just see what happens with Tresor.

I can't think of a single example of a player having to train for 2 months before making a single appearance in the u21s. So it's taken 2 months to get his general fitness to an acceptable level, when are we expecting him to then get his match fitness?

It doesn't make sense unless he's either had a setback at some point or he isn't actually going to play for us and is just getting fit for his move in January. I think the latter is the most probable.

[warksclaret]

It was obvious from the start of this whole saga: get him up to a stage of fitness where he's available to leave in Jan. Agreements and promises will have been made, including not having to play and risking injury. Hopefully, we can get our money back, more or less.

Without a run of games no club is going to buy him, let alone us getting our money back. Just look at the number of minutes he has played for us in 15 months, and that surrounded with this mystery of whats kept him out. I think at best , if he moves in Jan, it will be on loan, and I guess no club with commit to a "loan with an obligation to buy". Sadly our record with the disposal of several overseas players has not been good ie Weghorst, Amdouini and now potentially Tresor. Lets hope he actually recovers and shows a willingness to play for the shirt, and prove my theory wrong

[the_magic_rat]

I listened to the press conference and at the time thought I'd heard him give an update on the injury situation regarding "Anass". Only afterwards did I realise what he said was "Hannes", as in another forgotten man, Hannes Delcroix. However, that's no excuse for the drivel in the Burnley Express.

[jrgbfc]

I wouldn't be surprised if both Tresor and Amdouni end up a similar situation to Weghorst, basically having to loan them out till the end of their contracts.

[morninbob]

I think I've found him on the latest training video.

[ecc]

Flemming's helicopter upper right side.

[ecc]

Without a run of games no club is going to buy him, let alone us getting our money back. Just look at the number of minutes he has played for us in 15 months, and that surrounded with this mystery of whats kept him out. I think at best , if he moves in Jan, it will be on loan, and I guess no club with commit to a "loan with an obligation to buy". Sadly our record with the disposal of several overseas players has not been good ie Weghorst, Amdouini and now potentially Tresor. Lets hope he actually recovers and shows a willingness to play for the shirt, and prove my theory wrong

That is the key point. Unless he does start playing albeit for the U21s he won't be match fit until end Feb/March.

[claretspice]

I can't think of a single example of a player having to train for 2 months before making a single appearance in the u21s. So it's taken 2 months to get his general fitness to an acceptable level, when are we expecting him to then get his match fitness?

It doesn't make sense unless he's either had a setback at some point or he isn't actually going to play for us and is just getting fit for his move in January. I think the latter is the most probable.

First and foremost, the idea that the only available games are U21 games is plain wrong. We will regularly play behind closed door friendlies regularly. We've regularly used them to rehabilitate injured players over the last decade.

Secondly, this idea he's just getting fit to move in January is implausible. This is a bloke who by then has been out for 12 months and has had a serious illness. His best chance of getting a move to the sort of club who would attract him (if that is indeed that is what he wants, which we don't actually know) is to play games and show his quality. Otherwise he's just perceived as a massive fitness risk. It's also incompatible with the fact he's fully integrated with the first team in all photographs- any player who was refusing to play would probably be training on his own.

[NewClaret]

I think I've found him on the latest training video.

Is that the one posted today? In which case they’ve edited it out or I’m blind!

[Juan Tanamera]

Not remotely that - go back 3 or 4 weeks and he said he was close to being selectable. The sensible person would ask a follow up of 'where is he'. If you are calling that obsession then you are wide of the mark.

I think the comment about 'obsession' may refer back to how many times people have said Tresor is a waste of money.
I assume that is based on the minimal number of minutes that people have seen him play for us and judged him on that.
Or people are frustrated at not gleaning any information from the club on his health or whereabouts, either of which the club is not obliged to speak about.

[Vino blanco]

I really don't understand all this discussion about this Tresor chappie. From what I saw of him last season I thought he was bloody awful. Another player who I wasn't impressed with was Ramsey: I really couldn't understand why we paid big money for them both.

[Big Vinny K]

Without a run of games no club is going to buy him, let alone us getting our money back. Just look at the number of minutes he has played for us in 15 months, and that surrounded with this mystery of whats kept him out. I think at best , if he moves in Jan, it will be on loan, and I guess no club with commit to a "loan with an obligation to buy". Sadly our record with the disposal of several overseas players has not been good ie Weghorst, Amdouini and now potentially Tresor. Lets hope he actually recovers and shows a willingness to play for the shirt, and prove my theory wrong

Probably a good job that we made huge profits on the disposal of “several overseas players” then :

Odobert - between £20m and £23m profit
Berge - £10m profit at least
Zaroury - £5m profit
Al Dakhill - £5m profit
Vitinho - £7m profit
Muric - £5m
Etc etc

So not all bad..when you buy as many players as we have the last 2 or 3 years then just like any other club you are going to have a few mistakes and you just need to stay on the right side of making sure you have enough that have turned out well. Fortunately for us it looks like that so far we are doing more than ok

[dvalley69]

First and foremost, the idea that the only available games are U21 games is plain wrong. We will regularly play behind closed door friendlies regularly. We've regularly used them to rehabilitate injured players over the last decade.

Secondly, this idea he's just getting fit to move in January is implausible. This is a bloke who by then has been out for 12 months and has had a serious illness. His best chance of getting a move to the sort of club who would attract him (if that is indeed that is what he wants, which we don't actually know) is to play games and show his quality. Otherwise he's just perceived as a massive fitness risk. It's also incompatible with the fact he's fully integrated with the first team in all photographs- any player who was refusing to play would probably be training on his own.

Not sure anyone has mentioned him refusing to play. There may well be a gentleman's agreement though that if somebody comes in in Jan then we won't stay in his way, meaning we're happy to get rid. How many clubs over the years have taken risks on players who have had bad injuries/an injury record... he's young and showed plenty of potential before joining us; he'd be well worth a punt and in demand back in Belgium I imagine. I don't think it makes any difference to a club if he can prove his general fitness and pass a fitness test. To me, that's what we clearly trying to get to. He won't play for risk of an injury; Jan is just over 5 weeks away. But I'm reading between the lines, obviously and could well be wrong. I hope he comes back and contributes to us getting back up.

[morninbob]

Is that the one posted today? In which case they’ve edited it out or I’m blind!

Yep, today, about half way through.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Yeh that’s the spirit….Parker 100% lied to all the press and fans.

Either that or he said that was Tresor was back in training and hopefully back available for selection in next couple of weeks and then either he’s had a set back or he’s just not fit enough or good enough to be selected for our bench yet.

But let’s go with the lying one as that makes most sense.

Be very concerning if he isn’t deemed good enough for our current bench!

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

I really don't understand all this discussion about this Tresor chappie. From what I saw of him last season I thought he was bloody awful. Another player who I wasn't impressed with was Ramsey: I really couldn't understand why we paid big money for them both.

He was but given our inept attacking play so far folk are becoming desperate!

[claretspice]

Not sure anyone has mentioned him refusing to play. There may well be a gentleman's agreement though that if somebody comes in in Jan then we won't stay in his way, meaning we're happy to get rid. How many clubs over the years have taken risks on players who have had bad injuries/an injury record... he's young and showed plenty of potential before joining us; he'd be well worth a punt and in demand back in Belgium I imagine. I don't think it makes any difference to a club if he can prove his general fitness and pass a fitness test. To me, that's what we clearly trying to get to. He won't play for risk of an injury; Jan is just over 5 weeks away. But I'm reading between the lines, obviously and could well be wrong. I hope he comes back and contributes to us getting back up.

He's far more attractive and so will have more suitors, and be worth more to us, if he's played games. It's possible that we've got the gentleman's agreement here along the lines you suggest, but it's definitely not the most likely scenario and the facts available to us don't make that a reasonable reading between the lines.

[jedi_master]

Seems obvious to me that he is being allowed to train without selection to get fit enough to be sold and avoid injury. Parker can’t come out and say as much, but harsh to say he’s lying. The player is an asset (well…a financial one) that we need to try and get something for after coughing up so much for him. This is obviously just speculation/guesswork but in the absence of anything more obvious, it makes the most sense to me. I agree with those earlier in the thread suggesting that the local media have possibly been told to not ask about him anymore, because the absence of his name is otherwise bizarre when giving an injury update.

If he magically appears from nowhere onto the bench then he will, of course, get my support and I would imagine most Burnley fans (though, then again, look at Weghorst last pre-season in Belgium). I’ll be expecting a Hell of a lot more back than we’ve seen, but he surely is capable of something at this level.

That said, If we’re brutally honest, he’s been a disaster on and off the pitch and is, at this juncture, comfortably Burnley’s worst ever signing on a cost to return basis. We were apparently close to seeing him leave on deadline day to Ajax, he then got moody on social media in ‘comical’ fashion when that fell through whilst still pocketing a likely club high salary.

If he is to never be seen again, my abiding memory of Tresor will be his inexplicable substitution on by Kompany whilst defending a 1-0 lead at home to Luton. He made little to no effort to assist in getting the win and tried a quite ludicrous backheel/flick moments before the equaliser in our defensive third.

[jrgbfc]

I really don't understand all this discussion about this Tresor chappie. From what I saw of him last season I thought he was bloody awful. Another player who I wasn't impressed with was Ramsey: I really couldn't understand why we paid big money for them both.

Tbf Ramsey has proved he could be very good at this level from his time at Boro.

[claretspice]

Seems obvious to me that he is being allowed to train without selection to get fit enough to be sold and avoid injury. Parker can’t come out and say as much, but harsh to say he’s lying. The player is an asset (well…a financial one) that we need to try and get something for after coughing up so much for him. This is obviously just speculation/guesswork but in the absence of anything more obvious, it makes the most sense to me. I agree with those earlier in the thread suggesting that the local media have possibly been told to not ask about him anymore, because the absence of his name is otherwise bizarre when giving an injury update.

But there is a more obvious explanation, and it's obvious because Matt Williams and Scott Parker have said it. He's coming back from a serious illness and that takes time. It's been in the press and it's been referenced elsewhere.

[NewClaret]

Yep, today, about half way through.

I must be blind then! I’ve constantly paused the one on Instagram and can’t see that at all

[ClaretPete001]

Probably a good job that we made huge profits on the disposal of “several overseas players” then :

Odobert - between £20m and £23m profit
Berge - £10m profit at least
Zaroury - £5m profit
Al Dakhill - £5m profit
Vitinho - £7m profit
Muric - £5m
Etc etc

So not all bad..when you buy as many players as we have the last 2 or 3 years then just like any other club you are going to have a few mistakes and you just need to stay on the right side of making sure you have enough that have turned out well. Fortunately for us it looks like that so far we are doing more than ok

Not to disagree with your point but in terms of fairness and balance we should point out that we lost half a million Euros on Bastien and around £15 million on Wout Weghorst who only made 22 appearances. If Tresor doesn't play a game for us or plays poorly we could lose up to Eur 18 million on him albeit the whole amount is unlikely.

We have Eur19 million on Amdouni and Eur5 million on Obafemi. And we have a squad of 36 who likely as not will mostly wash it's face but not a lot more given Trafford cost us nearly Eur18 million.

I also think you've over egged some of those figures a little. In the end, I think it likely that we will make profit but not the £55 million you cite above.

[ClaretPete001]

I like Scott Parker but I think it will be more of the same on Saturday as Bristol City also draw a lot of games and have only lost 3 so far this season. And a couple of big away wins.

Big test for Scott and the boys.

[randomclaret2]

Yep, today, about half way through.

No sign of Flemming either as far as I could see...

[Big Vinny K]

Not to disagree with your point but in terms of fairness and balance we should point out that we lost half a million Euros on Bastien and around £15 million on Wout Weghorst who only made 22 appearances. If Tresor doesn't play a game for us or plays poorly we could lose up to Eur 18 million on him albeit the whole amount is unlikely.

We have Eur19 million on Amdouni and Eur5 million on Obafemi. And we have a squad of 36 who likely as not will mostly wash it's face but not a lot more given Trafford cost us nearly Eur18 million.

I also think you've over egged some of those figures a little. In the end, I think it likely that we will make profit but not the £55 million you cite above.

Not sure which you think are exaggerated but that wasn’t really the point I was making.
There was a comment to say how many of our overseas transfers had gone pear shaped and I was saying that we have had more success with our overseas transfers than failures (in terms of profit on sales)

Don’t think we paid that for Weghorst and we did also recoup a fair chunk of that in loan fees and whatever we got for him in the end…..and of course the flip side of that transaction at the time was the huge fee we got for Chris Wood.

I was also only referring to the overseas transfers as that was the point being made by the poster.

I’m no fan of the strategy since VK took over of buying a ridiculous number of players - irrespective of which country we buy players from. It places far too much emphasis and reliance on the data analytics team and as we have seen a lack of due diligence and emphasis on the background and character of players. The scatter gun approach of buying lots of players in the hope that some will turn out good buys but fully aware that some will be duds can be a very expensive one - and disastrous if you bet it wrong like a number of clubs have

I think Dyche was probably a bit too cautious in looking at overseas players and other markets and the answer is probably somewhere in the middle (though if I have to choose one give me the strategy of Dyche / Garlick every time rather than put the future of the club at the risk it is now)

[NewClaret]

Not to disagree with your point but in terms of fairness and balance we should point out that we lost half a million Euros on Bastien and around £15 million on Wout Weghorst who only made 22 appearances. If Tresor doesn't play a game for us or plays poorly we could lose up to Eur 18 million on him albeit the whole amount is unlikely.

We have Eur19 million on Amdouni and Eur5 million on Obafemi. And we have a squad of 36 who likely as not will mostly wash it's face but not a lot more given Trafford cost us nearly Eur18 million.

I also think you've over egged some of those figures a little. In the end, I think it likely that we will make profit but not the £55 million you cite above.

Re: Weghorst, BBC have his price as £12m:

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/arti ... 7209po.amp

The thing I think is overlooked here, not specifically in your post but generally on this topic, is that the reported fees are often wrong (both ways) or contingent on certain basic success measures. It’s utter guesswork on our behalf because what is reported will vary wildly from what was ultimately paid.

Plus you have to factor loan fees which will have significantly reduced any losses. The fee for Amdouni was apparently £2m for example, which probably goes a good way to covering this summer’s instalment and would mean even if we sold him at break even next summer, we’d have made £2m overall.

What is clear is that ALK are going to pursue player trading as a means of generating capital and that will undoubtedly mean they make mistakes which they have done on a few. Their overall record of selling players for a profit (even ones not bought by them) is outstanding though. They have a miraculous track record when you throw the fees received for Cornet, Collins, McNeil & Pope in to the mix.

Big Vinny K also doesn’t mention O’Shea who I think was £8m profit.

[morninbob]

I must be blind then! I’ve constantly paused the one on Instagram and can’t see that at all

It's the bit where they are doing sprints in fours.

[NewClaret]

and of course the flip side of that transaction at the time was the huge fee we got for Chris Wood.

I’d forgotten about Wood. That’s another £25m they’ve secured. Unbelievable business.