Podcast not very happy with ParkerBall

[burnley007]

https://youtu.be/Ci0hyuSqvyQ?si=KU5QQAXtiM8ZpU9t

He doesn't seem to be enjoying it too much.

[Croydon Claret]

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[claret wizard]

Think Mike has blanked out the Cotterill years. We were far worse then. I don't have to drive to get to the Turf, I can hear the crowd from my house. I know because I could hear the groans during the last few games of Cotterill when I was gardening. I vowed not to attend until he had gone, season ticket holder, 30 minute walk, we were awful.

[burnley007]

Think Mike has blanked out the Cotterill years. We were far worse then. I don't have to drive to get to the Turf, I can hear the crowd from my house. I know because I could hear the groans during the last few games of Cotterill when I was gardening. I vowed not to attend until he had gone, season ticket holder, 30 minute walk, we were awful.

We had much lower expectations then too.

[claretonthecoast1882]

We had much lower expectations then too.

Less entitlement too

[KRBFC]

Less entitlement too

Is it really entitlement expecting your team to have a few shots at goal? We have one of the biggest budget in the league and have the best players.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Is it really entitlement expecting your team to have a few shots at goal? We have one of the biggest budget in the league and have the best players.

And City under your genius have won 1 in 10, should they be performing better with the biggest budget in the world and one of the most expensive squads ever in the history of football ?

Should Spurs have had more shots than Rangers last night because of the price ?

It is amazing how little you are prepared to give Parker, gave Dyche but will die on the hill defending Kompany

[Mattster]

And City under your genius have won 1 in 10, should they be performing better with the biggest budget in the world and one of the most expensive squads ever in the history of football ?

Should Spurs have had more shots than Rangers last night because of the price ?

1) Yes. Surely no one would say otherwise and it would not be crazy to expect it?

2) Yes but it was a cup competition and they were fielding a rotated team. But fans wouldn't be seen as wrong to ask questions, right?

[claretonthecoast1882]

1) Yes. Surely no one would say otherwise and it would not be crazy to expect it?

2) Yes but it was a cup competition and they were fielding a rotated team. But fans wouldn't be seen as wrong to ask questions, right?

Good to see you back after a couple of draws your posts went missing after a couple of wins.

Should Birmingham be higher than 3rd after spending near on 40m in that division ?
Should they be above Wrexham & Wycombe ?
Should they have scored more goals than Wycombe & Peterborough ?

[burnley007]

Good to see you back after a couple of draws your posts went missing after a couple of wins.

Should Birmingham be higher than 3rd after spending near on 40m in that division ?
Should they be above Wrexham & Wycombe ?
Should they have scored more goals than Wycombe & Peterborough ?

Yes.

Point being?

[ClaretTony]

Think Mike has blanked out the Cotterill years. We were far worse then. I don't have to drive to get to the Turf, I can hear the crowd from my house. I know because I could hear the groans during the last few games of Cotterill when I was gardening. I vowed not to attend until he had gone, season ticket holder, 30 minute walk, we were awful.

We were in a totally different world in the Cotterill years than we are now so quite why the comparison I'm not sure.

[Plissken]

Think Mike has blanked out the Cotterill years. We were far worse then.

I even cover this in the video. Under Cotterill we had no money - yes, he ran out of steam and it was dull, but he didn't have the advantages that Parker has.

Also Cotterill was in charge for three years. We weren't bored into submission after six months.

[Blyclaret]

Yes.

Point being?

His point being that ye guys only come out when we draw or loose.
Last week you were apologising after we won 4 in a row 2 draws and your at it again.

[The Shire Claret]

But Cotterill did bring in Bersart Berisha

Never forget that

[claret wizard]

I even cover this in the video. Under Cotterill we had no money - yes, he ran out of steam and it was dull, but he didn't have the advantages that Parker has.

Also Cotterill was in charge for three years. We weren't bored into submission after six months.

My apologies Mike, you were went far too Steve Dangle for me to get past 5 mins and I stopped watching before you got to the SC bit. I was refering to your 30 odd years watching and not having the thought "I can't wait for this manager to leave". Well I had that thought back with Cotterill and stayed at home until he did leave. Just saying that we were far worse (even with lower expectations, less money and a manager who was 3 years 7 months in) than we are now. Six months, one window, massive injury list, players walking out and arguably harder division that 2 years ago I don't think we be quite as "full toys out" that you are doing.

Be careful as a lot of this is self fullfilling. Now we need to be behind the team more. One poster noted on the match thread that 2 years ago the crowd would have carried us to victory on Tuesday, that's not the case this week.

[Spijed]

We weren't bored into submission after six months.

But if we get rid of Parker we start to become another Watford though, going through managers like confetti if we are not careful.

We have not reached the half way point in the season and if it's the case a new manager isn't going to succeed before the end of the season should we get rid of them as well?

[claret wizard]

We were in a totally different world in the Cotterill years than we are now so quite why the comparison I'm not sure.

Tony, because Mike said "In 30 odd years watching Burnley I've never had the thought 'I can't wait for this manager to leave'" Which in my case is not true, in fact, I expect that most Burnley fans wanted Cotterill and/or Brian Laws to leave. It just winds me up that so many are ready to knock down the manager/ownership when this is the time the Club needs us the most, you included.

[ClaretPete001]

Again where are the facts. 20,600 paid for a seat on Turf to watch us in a storm on a Friday and we get comments that fans are being priced out of the game.

We had 14 shots against Derby and yet there are comments that we have no shots. We hear that strikers won't make a difference and yet Jay Rod clearly has... We played without a striker against Derby because Jay Rod is 35.Parker maybe as dull and as pointless as some claim but it's not his fault that we are lacking quality up front...

Even if the rant went along the lines of 'I'm sorry for Parker he has been royally messed around but I think he is not good enough' would make more sense than this kind of rant when we are third in the table.

Anyone with half a brain could see we would be short up front before the start of the season. Letting Amdouni go on loan - spending Eur18 million on a player that doesn't want to play for us all contribute to the fact that we are reliant on a 35 year old striker. It had been getting better but was dull against Derby because we didn't have a striker on the pitch. If Jay Rod gets injured because he is overplayed - what then?

Parker is probably not the messiah but we are a work in progress with a squad that has an abundance in some positions and scarcity in others. A bit of perspective would be good not least because sacking him and finding someone else could cost us the price of decent loanee up front in January.

[burnley007]

Again where are the facts. 20,600 paid for a seat on Turf to watch us in a storm on a Friday and we get comments that fans are being priced out of the game.

We had 14 shots against Derby and yet there are comments that we have no shots. We hear that strikers won't make a difference and yet Jay Rod clearly has... We played without a striker against Derby because Jay Rod is 35.Parker maybe as dull and as pointless as some claim but it's not his fault that we are lacking quality up front...

Even if the rant went along the lines of 'I'm sorry for Parker he has been royally messed around but I think he is not good enough' would make more sense than this kind of rant when we are third in the table.

Anyone with half a brain could see we would be short up front before the start of the season. Letting Amdouni go on loan - spending Eur18 million on a player that doesn't want to play for us all contribute to the fact that we are reliant on a 35 year old striker. It had been getting better but was dull against Derby because we didn't have a striker on the pitch. If Jay Rod gets injured because he is overplayed - what then?

Parker is probably not the messiah but we are a work in progress with a squad that has an abundance in some positions and scarcity in others. A bit of perspective would be good not least because sacking him and finding someone else could cost us the price of decent loanee up front in January.

I wish I could share your optimism.

Saying that Tuesday wasn't Parker's fault is quite a claim.

[dandeclaret]

I even cover this in the video. Under Cotterill we had no money - yes, he ran out of steam and it was dull, but he didn't have the advantages that Parker has.

Also Cotterill was in charge for three years. We weren't bored into submission after six months.

We bloody well were. Jesus christ, rose tinted or what?

Cheering Crisp packets, and pigeons flying round the longside it was that bad. Pretty much immediately.

[NottsClaret]

I don't think we need to pick a side here. It was very boring under Cotterill, it's very boring now.

[ClaretPete001]

I wish I could share your optimism.

Saying that Tuesday wasn't Parker's fault is quite a claim.

I don't claim to have much optimism I think I said I knew it would be difficult before the season started. And I didn't say it wasn't Parker's fault I said it wasn't all his fault.

Most respectfully Sir/Madam - Read what I feckin write!

[Burnley1989]

Again where are the facts. 20,600 paid for a seat on Turf to watch us in a storm on a Friday and we get comments that fans are being priced out of the game.

We had 14 shots against Derby and yet there are comments that we have no shots. We hear that strikers won't make a difference and yet Jay Rod clearly has... We played without a striker against Derby because Jay Rod is 35.Parker maybe as dull and as pointless as some claim but it's not his fault that we are lacking quality up front...

Even if the rant went along the lines of 'I'm sorry for Parker he has been royally messed around but I think he is not good enough' would make more sense than this kind of rant when we are third in the table.

Anyone with half a brain could see we would be short up front before the start of the season. Letting Amdouni go on loan - spending Eur18 million on a player that doesn't want to play for us all contribute to the fact that we are reliant on a 35 year old striker. It had been getting better but was dull against Derby because we didn't have a striker on the pitch. If Jay Rod gets injured because he is overplayed - what then?

Parker is probably not the messiah but we are a work in progress with a squad that has an abundance in some positions and scarcity in others. A bit of perspective would be good not least because sacking him and finding someone else could cost us the price of decent loanee up front in January.

Fair points there, few home truths for myself after being slightly nagative recently

[Mattster]

Good to see you back after a couple of draws your posts went missing after a couple of wins.

What are you on about? A quick check of my posts shows the only gap of more than a couple of days in me posting was between 3rd and 10th December.

[ashtonlongsider]

I'll judge SP at the end of the January window when he's had time to do some tweaking of the squad. My view is that we're in a better position at present than I expected. Having said that we've got 4 very tough games coming up before the end of year, and I just hope we're not leaving ourselves adrift by then. Time will tell.

[randomclaret2]

Is it really entitlement expecting your team to have a few shots at goal? We have one of the biggest budget in the league and have the best players.

16th Consecutive season of either Premier League football or Parachute payments ought to make expectation somewhat higher than it was during Steve Cotterill's era...

[dandeclaret]

And it is, as is the football. It’s not even remotely comparable.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

I even cover this in the video. Under Cotterill we had no money - yes, he ran out of steam and it was dull, but he didn't have the advantages that Parker has.

Also Cotterill was in charge for three years. We weren't bored into submission after six months.

Sugar coating the Cotterill years they were largely shite!

[Mattster]

Goals per game under Cotterill

04/05 - 0.82
05/06 - 1
06/07 - 1.13

Goals per game under Parker*

24/25 - 0.83

*excluding first 2 games

[Guller Bull]

Goals per game under Cotterill

04/05 - 0.82
05/06 - 1
06/07 - 1.13

Goals per game under Parker*

24/25 - 0.83

*excluding first 2 games

And don't forget you cant judge SP on those first two games because that wasn't his team.

[Plissken]

Also it’s not his fault that we don’t score because it’s not his team.

So the spectacularly good defensive record isn’t his doing then?

People are trying to have it both ways. I’m fully crediting Parker with that… despite Esteve, Egan-Riley, Trafford, Roberts, Brownhill, Cullen and (I think) Pires being here before he was. You know, not his team.

[jrtod61]

Some personal recollections: SC regularly lost his star players through sales or injury.
Dullness is in the eye of the beholder, and the '06-'07 18-match winless run was certainly an ordeal. However, I enjoyed our battling win at Elland Road with half a team out injured, and our League Cup defeat of Aston Villa in which the fitfully mercurial talents of J-L Valois were unleashed. I admired the frugal defensive unit marshalled by John McGreal, even before the arrival of the superb Gary Cahill. A particularly fond memory is the 3-2 defeat of PNE in October '06, with some classic sh**housery from Andy Gray, just before his injury. While Robbie Blake (part 1) was still with us there were other magic moments such as his wonderful free-kick, also against PNE. For me, SC did a lot with a little and sometimes it wasn't pretty, but none of it comparable to the mind-numbing tedium of some games this season.
This stuff is just about tolerable if we win, not otherwise.

[kentonclaret]

Is it really entitlement expecting your team to have a few shots at goal? We have one of the biggest budget in the league and have the best players.

If you think that we have the best players in the forward positions you are clearly delusional.
Not one of our forward players would get into the Leeds team.

[Elizabeth]

So what if a Podcast is not very happy.
It would make a change if some people take in what Parker said at the start of the season.
There will be bumps in the road. How many times do some people need reminding.

[ClaretLoup]

Goals per game under Parker*

24/25 - 0.83

*excluding first 2 games

Ok let me help you a bit here

With O’Shea, Odebert, Vitinho, JBG, Amdouni &Zaroury

Average = 4.5 goals per game.

Strip them out and replace them with largely inferior replacements and leave the manager with Rodrigues, Houtondji, Foster and Flemming as your forwards then your average is going to come down a lot.

So here is your light bulb moment, when you have better players the team will win more matches.

Another one is when you get relegated a lot of your best players leave.

Hope this helps.

[KRBFC]

If you think that we have the best players in the forward positions you are clearly delusional.
Not one of our forward players would get into the Leeds team.

We aren’t playing against Leeds every week

[dandeclaret]

Goals per game under Cotterill

04/05 - 0.82
05/06 - 1
06/07 - 1.13

Goals per game under Parker*

24/25 - 0.83

*excluding first 2 games

Can you do points per game? You know, the things that really matter.

[Mattster]

Ok let me help you a bit here

With O’Shea, Odebert, Vitinho, JBG, Amdouni &Zaroury

Average = 4.5 goals per game.

Strip them out and replace them with largely inferior replacements and leave the manager with Rodrigues, Houtondji, Foster and Flemming as your forwards then your average is going to come down a lot.

So here is your light bulb moment, when you have better players the team will win more matches.

Another one is when you get relegated a lot of your best players leave.

Hope this helps.

No other club in this league averages fewer goals per game than we do (excluding those first 2 games). You may feel our attacking options aren't as good as they could be but they most certainly not the worst in the league.

Hope that helps.

[Mattster]

Can you do points per game? You know, the things that really matter.

The comparison being made was on entertainment. What do you find more entertaining, points or goals?

[jrgbfc]

The football certainly wasn't great under Cotterill, but he had absolutely nothing to work with. Parker has got one of the best squads in the league.

[Stonehouse]

So what if a Podcast is not very happy.
It would make a change if some people take in what Parker said at the start of the season.
There will be bumps in the road. How many times do some people need reminding.

I’m neither pro nor anti SP however VK used to use “It’s a project “ to cover his back so he never got the blame for bad performances and SP uses “They’ll be bumps in the rd” It’s manager speak to give them a bit of wiggle room when things go wrong .Imaging starting a new job and after a few weeks saying to the boss “I’ll do my best but I might drop a clanger now and again along the way”and I don’t feel anyone should feel sorry for him or indeed any other manager they know how it works and if they get the sack they get a pay out unlike the average Joe Public.

[dandeclaret]

The comparison being made was on entertainment. What do you find more entertaining, points or goals?

Winning.

[Elizabeth]

I’m neither pro nor anti SP however VK used to use “It’s a project “ to cover his back so he never got the blame for bad performances and SP uses “They’ll be bumps in the rd” It’s manager speak to give them a bit of wiggle room when things go wrong .Imaging starting a new job and after a few weeks saying to the boss “I’ll do my best but I might drop a clanger now and again along the way”and I don’t feel anyone should feel sorry for him or indeed any other manager they know how it works and if they get the sack they get a pay out unlike the average Joe Public.

There have been bumps in the road , even as recently as midweek. So in fact Parker has been right in what he said. I don't see how that can be held against him as you seem to be doing.
He knows the limitations in the squad even more than we do. I don't think he's covering his back , simply being realistic.
Of course the 'project' thing proved to be nothing more than BS but I don't see how that can be compared to what Parker has warned us about.

[Spijed]

The football certainly wasn't great under Cotterill, but he had absolutely nothing to work with. Parker has got one of the best squads in the league.

Hence why we, along with Sheff United & Leeds, occupy the top three spots. Arguably the best three squads in the division.

Should we be doing much more?

[Stonehouse]

There have been bumps in the road , even as recently as midweek. So in fact Parker has been right in what he said. I don't see how that can be held against him as you seem to be doing.
He knows the limitations in the squad even more than we do. I don't think he's covering his back , simply being realistic.
Of course the 'project' thing proved to be nothing more than BS but I don't see how that can be compared to what Parker has warned us about.

Just trying to say that it’s an easy get out for a manager .Anyone worth their salt coming into Burnley a few weeks before the end of the transfer window must have known that certain players were bound to leave and the idea that SP had the rug pulled from under him is bizarre to say the least.Am not trying to argue with you Liz but that’s my personal view .

[dandeclaret]

Certain players is one thing…… but the amount of players who did go was another. Players, owners, manager have all spoken of the upheaval and uncertainty.

[Elizabeth]

Just trying to say that it’s an easy get out for a manager .Anyone worth their salt coming into Burnley a few weeks before the end of the transfer window must have known that certain players were bound to leave and the idea that SP had the rug pulled from under him is bizarre to say the least.Am not trying to argue with you Liz but that’s my personal view .

I know where you are coming from , I'm just trying to look at it from a different perspective.
I would have expected Parker to have been more positive at the start of the season despite him knowing what was going to happen to his squad. He knew that some good players were going to leave but he also knew some good players were going to remain. These are players we are all hanging on returning to the squad each week.
However I think he knew that he was never going to get the services of the likes of Redmond, Tresor and Beyer because of character and chronic injury problems. I have to be careful what I say about Foster other than I would love to know what Parker knows about his character.

[Mattster]

Winning.

Cool.

[claret wizard]

Great thread, strong opinions, doesn’t get personal, some
People change their minds. Exactly what a discussion group should be like. Exactly the type of debate that Mike is trying to provoke?

[CrosspoolClarets]

Good article in the Times, behind a paywall, about City and how they train the flair out of players like Grealish.

I think we all relate to that after this season. I do think Parkerball can do that to our flair players, coaching them to be defensively safe.

The way I see it, it has to work and get us up / keep us up. If it doesn’t, it isn’t worth it.

https://www.thetimes.com/article/224f25 ... 603a9f2214