Pace on Tresor

[Goliath]

I've never seen a twinge last 6 months. What one poster said after speaking with Pace was telling. And Parker has already said he's fit so that has to rule out physical injury.

Parker has said he's fit. Tresor might not agree

[fidelcastro]

Parker has said he's fit. Tresor might not agree

Which would mean he's refusing to play.

No way would he be training with the first team and being at the forefront of club merchandise if that were the case.

[Bordeauxclaret]

He must be just such a brilliant lad we're happy to pay him 30k a week to hang about

The Steven Reid role.

[hoosier-daddy]

If he was refusing to play, I can't see the team wanting him in all the photos. I can understand it if he has a mental illness as it might be a tool to help him.

[Goliath]

Which would mean he's refusing to play.

No way would he be training with the first team and being at the forefront of club merchandise if that were the case.

I'm completely speculating but I don't think it would mean that.
If a player says he doesn't feel fit enough to play after a serious illness, I don't think the club would be able to prove otherwise.

I suppose the best example would be a player stating he had long covid after or during the pandemic. I don't think any club would have been able to prove otherwise.

[fidelcastro]

I'm completely speculating but I don't think it would mean that.
If a player says he doesn't feel fit enough to play after a serious illness, I don't think the club would be able to prove otherwise.

I suppose the best example would be a player stating he had long covid after or during the pandemic. I don't think any club would have been able to prove otherwise.

That falls into the wild speculation category.

[gtclaret]

Both Pace and Parker have said that he is fit,and still some on here are doubting it.You couldn't make it up,,I will speculate further,he's not injured,he's never had an injury of note,not physical,not mental,he simply doesn't and never has wanted to play for us.I posted a couple of months ago that we will never see him play for Burnley and I stand by that

[hoosier-daddy]

he simply doesn't and never has wanted to play for us.

Then you don't have him photos or any other club media.

[Goliath]

That falls into the wild speculation category.

Which I said a few times.

[fatboy47]

I'm completely speculating but I don't think it would mean that.
If a player says he doesn't feel fit enough to play after a serious illness, I don't think the club would be able to prove otherwise.

I suppose the best example would be a player stating he had long covid after or during the pandemic. I don't think any club would have been able to prove otherwise.

https://youtu.be/QrrIRr9arkM?si=3jGLLoS5U_SAQodp

[123EasyasBFC]

If he was refusing to play, I can't see the team wanting him in all the photos. I can understand it if he has a mental illness as it might be a tool to help him.

Easy for him to make sure he is meeting his contract by doing community visits and he could well be training and saying he doesn’t feel ready to play because he has no intention of playing, there would be no way to prove otherwise that he was fit.

But it’s a completely baffling situation that only has one ending that is best for everyone

[hoosier-daddy]

Easy for him to make sure he is meeting his contract by doing community visits and he could well be training and saying he doesn’t feel ready to play because he has no intention of playing, there would be no way to prove otherwise that he was fit.

But it’s a completely baffling situation that only has one ending that is best for everyone

"Doesn't feel ready to play" lasts only so long though.

[123EasyasBFC]

"Doesn't feel ready to play" lasts only so long though.

The point is it’s hard to do anything about it other than sell him

[jos]

As alluded to by another poster on here is that silence only generates uncertainty in any line of business, so theories about what’s happening are bound to arise.

Let’s not rush to find our pitchforks just yet.

[ecc]

He must be just such a brilliant lad we're happy to pay him 30k a week to hang about

I doubt we have many players earning 30K a week.

[Ampth7]

Both Pace and Parker have said that he is fit,and still some on here are doubting it.You couldn't make it up,,I will speculate further,he's not injured,he's never had an injury of note,not physical,not mental,he simply doesn't and never has wanted to play for us.I posted a couple of months ago that we will never see him play for Burnley and I stand by that

Then why sign a contract of employment with us, if he never wanted to play for Burnley?
The only certainty in this story is that we are probably never going to know the reality of what has actually happened/is happening. That and him likely soon the be seen playing in a minor European league again shortly!

[dvalley69]

If he's training and doing everything being asked oh him, then surely that's evidence he's fit enough to play if he's refusing to play?
Or does he say after an hour he's tired, can't carry on and then walks off? Can't imagine that happening in front of the rest of the players.

[what_no_pies]

Those mentioned by several other posters in this thread, including the comments from Alan Pace - and I specifically said "if they are to be believed", unless you missed that part?

My question is hypothetical and stands, so I will ask it again. What would the player have to gain in this scenario, if such reports were true?

There's no evidence that he's refusing to play. Speculation doesn't equate to reports.

I'm not sure there would be anything to gain by him refusing to play so I don't believe that to be the case. If he's not refusing then we must be refusing to play him.

[Swizzlestick]

There’s no chance he’s refusing to play nor do I think he’s being awkward about it. No way would he be in and around the squad in training, doing promo and community events if that was the case. To me it just seems like SP doesn’t think he’s ready, whether fitness wise or tactically, and isn’t including him.

[Jakubclaret]

There’s no chance he’s refusing to play nor do I think he’s being awkward about it. No way would he be in and around the squad in training, doing promo and community events if that was the case. To me it just seems like SP doesn’t think he’s ready, whether fitness wise or tactically, and isn’t including him.

That's a crock of sh1t he's been missing for yonks & he'd be a automatic starter. Something isn't right & to be fair it's never been right from the start. He's contractually obligated to fulfill certain tasks whilst picking a wage up such as the promotional stuff. He's not interested in playing in the championship similar to WW but the specifics of his contract differ to WW so we are kind of in limbo for now & soon enough he'll be offloaded & no I've got no proof like everybody else but it's crystal clear something isn't right.

[groove]

I just think he's not good enough. We didn't even want him here. We were contractually obliged to sign him even though he showed absolutely nothing in his albeit fleeting appearances. Take the loss, learn from it and get rid.

[Swizzlestick]

That's a crock of sh1t he's been missing for yonks & he'd be a automatic starter. Something isn't right & to be fair it's never been right from the start. He's contractually obligated to fulfill certain tasks whilst picking a wage up such as the promotional stuff. He's not interested in playing in the championship similar to WW but the specifics of his contract differ to WW so we are kind of in limbo for now & soon enough he'll be offloaded & no I've got no proof like everybody else but it's crystal clear something isn't right.

Ignoring the inexplicably rude and obnoxious start to your post, you decidedly to wilfully ignore the bit where Parker is happy to have him as part of first team training. That doesn’t make sense if he ‘wasn’t interested in playing in the Championship’.

[Bow]

I just think he's not good enough. We didn't even want him here. We were contractually obliged to sign him even though he showed absolutely nothing in his albeit fleeting appearances. Take the loss, learn from it and get rid.

This. He’s crap. Mystery solved.

[RVclaret]

There’s no chance he’s refusing to play nor do I think he’s being awkward about it. No way would he be in and around the squad in training, doing promo and community events if that was the case. To me it just seems like SP doesn’t think he’s ready, whether fitness wise or tactically, and isn’t including him.

I struggle with this one to be honest. Parker knows of his talent from Belgium where he won POTY (24 assists 8 goals). For a side lacking creativity and goals I just can’t buy that Parker would not even have him on the bench. Our bench recently has included 4 defenders with Dodgson on it. In terms of fitness I can’t have he wouldn’t be up to some minutes, and Parker even played Flemming at Leeds despite him not having a pre-season and no matches at all. If it’s not a ‘refusing to play’ situation then I’d be inclined to go with more, he’s just not got the right attitude (TurfCast had insinuated he was turning up late for training as an example).

[Swizzlestick]

I struggle with this one to be honest. Parker knows of his talent from Belgium where he won POTY (24 assists 8 goals). For a side lacking creativity and goals I just can’t buy that Parker would not even have him on the bench. Our bench recently has included 4 defenders with Dodgson on it. In terms of fitness I can’t have he wouldn’t be up to some minutes, and Parker even played Flemming at Leeds despite him not having a pre-season and no matches at all. If it’s not a ‘refusing to play’ situation then I’d be inclined to go with more, he’s just not got the right attitude (TurfCast had insinuated he was turning up late for training as an example).

Could well be the case, but you’d expect a tougher line and actions from both Parker (who was a model pro as a player as we know) and the club generally. Certainly wouldn’t be involving a player with an attitude problem with the first team. We’ll find out at some point I’m sure.

[Jakubclaret]

Ignoring the inexplicably rude and obnoxious start to your post, you decidedly to wilfully ignore the bit where Parker is happy to have him as part of first team training. That doesn’t make sense if he ‘wasn’t interested in playing in the Championship’.

He's still an asset the club want to protect & eventually sell on.

[beddie]

Once he’s gone in January will we be told the reason for all this mystery? Probably not but at least it’s a distraction out of the way.

[Jakubclaret]

Then why sign a contract of employment with us, if he never wanted to play for Burnley?
The only certainty in this story is that we are probably never going to know the reality of what has actually happened/is happening. That and him likely soon the be seen playing in a minor European league again shortly!

He signed the contract when the going was good in the top flight that landscape changed upon relegation & now he's not interested but stuck.

[kaptin1]

Alan Pace: The first rule about Mike Tresor is never to talk about Mike Tresor...

[MarkGreen]

What if he has tells the club that he will work hard in training, won't disrupt the group in any way, will attend all media obligations, etc.

But, if you play me I'll walk around the pitch for 90 mins and maybe even score a few own goals.

Prevents him from being dropped to the U21's, the club can keep him fit, aren't tarnishing his name and a move away suits all parties.

[ecc]

Where's that Belgian journo gone?

[123EasyasBFC]

Where's that Belgian journo gone?

Not had any stories to steal or make up, just wait till Jan then he will start again

[NewClaret]

I doubt we have many players earning 30K a week.

The latest data, which I would think is wildly inaccurate but all we have to go off says he’s on £20k/pw.

I agree with you, we have very few on £30k+

The wages we pay has dramatically transformed since the Dyche era when we had a core on top money. It’s now more reflective of the age profile of the squad.

[NewClaret]

Wild speculation caveat, but just replied to a post by RV on the transfers thread and triggered a thought:

I think all our deals will include conditional amounts for games played, where x games guarantees a chunk of the agreed fee.

I’m certain in my mind there was a chunk of Trafford’s fee payable if he played > 75% of games as I see no reason Kompany would drop him at that point otherwise, especially as he’d made no mistakes I can remember in the lead up to being dropped.

Maybe Tresor played the number of games reported to trigger the loan obligation (reported as 5) but we later decided not to play him again to prevent further fees being due. Maybe the same this season (e.g. any appearances trigger another instalment). There were rumours we tried to cancel the deal too.

Pace is maybe trying to position that Tesor doesn’t want to be here, and that may be partly true if he feels mistreated, but maybe it’s our navigation of the financial aspects of the deal to limit damage?

It’d explain why he has no axe to grind with Parker or visa versa, why he seems to be happy with the squad and training, but isn’t playing/doesn’t want to play if he feels he’s been mistreated.

Fair also to say that Muric wanted out for the exact same reason and refused to play for us again and I think most fans understood and accepted his position.

[hoosier-daddy]

Pace is maybe trying to position that Tesor doesn’t want to be here, and that may be partly true if he feels mistreated, but maybe it’s our navigation of the financial aspects of the deal to limit damage?

But someone on here spoke to Pace who said he wants Tresor to play but couldn't answer whether he will or not. It tended to suggest it's not a fee-related reason.

[NewClaret]

But someone on here spoke to Pace who said he wants Tresor to play but couldn't answer whether he will or not. It tended to suggest it's not a fee-related reason.

Yes it doesn’t all add up but Pace could of course be overlooking how he was treated last season for financial reasons in his response. He will only be giving the club side of the story in any response to fans.

Tresors perception could be “oh now you want me to play” if he was mistreated last season for financial gain.

[Poulton-le-Claret]

But someone on here spoke to Pace who said he wants Tresor to play but couldn't answer whether he will or not. It tended to suggest it's not a fee-related reason.

That was me. As close to verbatim as I can remember Pace said -

I want Mike to be out there helping us, but I can't promise you he feels the same way.

[NewClaret]

That was me. As close to verbatim as I can remember Pace said -

I want Mike to be out there helping us, but I can't promise you he feels the same way.

“Can’t promise you”

Maybe that is what it boils down to. They’re not sure. Parker expects real high work rate from his wide players and maybe it just boils down to being unsure he’ll put that work rate in for the shirt. And since he’s not sure, no point picking him over players that are.

Maybe there’s no refusing to play, no big attitude issue, maybe he’s training and getting on fine but there’s just doubts as to how hard he’d work on Matchday.

To be fair, if that’s the case and Tresor would play if asked but Parker is just not convinced he’d give the maximum effort, keeping him out of the side whilst not ostracising him in any way is fantastic management and to be applauded.

[hoosier-daddy]

That was me. As close to verbatim as I can remember Pace said -

I want Mike to be out there helping us, but I can't promise you he feels the same way.

Seems pretty clear to me. The club want him to play, but Tresor doesn't currently want to.

[Poulton-le-Claret]

“Can’t promise you”

Maybe that is what it boils down to. They’re not sure. Parker expects real high work rate from his wide players and maybe it just boils down to being unsure he’ll put that work rate in for the shirt. And since he’s not sure, no point picking him over players that are.

Maybe there’s no refusing to play, no big attitude issue, maybe he’s training and getting on fine but there’s just doubts as to how hard he’d work on Matchday.

To be fair, if that’s the case and Tresor would play if asked but Parker is just not convinced he’d give the maximum effort, keeping him out of the side whilst not ostracising him in any way is fantastic management and to be applauded.

Yeah I think what has been said is open to interpretation. Personally I think he isn't openly on strike, but is basically on strike by not putting the required effort in that he knows he should be doing. Deliberately keeping himself out of the team.

I don't believe the arguments that he is just a crap player, because surely he would have at least played a game for the u21s along the way or even made the bench in games where we are taking 4 defenders instead.

We will probably never get the full story, but one thing I think everyone can agree on is that signing him has been a disaster

[FCBurnley]

It’s actually very simple. Pace can name and shame him or he can name and explain. Once the supporters know the truth they can make their own judgements. Saying nothing simply creates rumors which are of no use to the player or the club. Clearly there is an issue with either the player or the club or both

[KRBFC]

I think the only logical explanation is contractually we can’t play him without owing his former club more cash.

[CalamityClaret]

I think the only logical explanation is contractually we can’t play him without owing his former club more cash.

That is definitely not the only logical explanation

[k90bfc]

Has anyone thought of asking Vincent Kompany,WHY did he sign this player,UTC.

[123EasyasBFC]

Has anyone thought of asking Vincent Kompany,WHY did he sign this player,UTC.

The question isn’t why we signed him, it was clear why we signed Belgium player of the year that got 20 odd assists from left wing. What needs to be asked is why started playing him on the right

[warksclaret]

So we should rest our soul

[jos]

Has anyone thought of asking Vincent Kompany,WHY did he sign this player,UTC.

I’ll give him a bell after i’ve watched tonight’s footy.

[Bowclaret]

I’m not ITK, far from it in fact but my take on it is simply he’s not playing because of the cost of his wages. The stall when he signed was indeed his wage demands and I bet he’s on the higher side of appearance money etc.

Best bet would just to get him gone in Jan, more likely a loan, free up a wage or two or three given his wedge and crack on.

Looked like an unrealistic signing initially and one that’s clearly not worked. Like most have said, he does not want to be here, he did not want to sign for us.

Will never be accepted by the fans now so just move him on and take the hit !

[jrgbfc]

If he's unwilling to play i'd send him off to train on his own, wouldn't have him anywhere near the squad. Thats what makes the whole scenario so weird.

[Stonehouse]

Ignoring the inexplicably rude and obnoxious start to your post, you decidedly to wilfully ignore the bit where Parker is happy to have him as part of first team training. That doesn’t make sense if he ‘wasn’t interested in playing in the Championship’.

Unfortunately none of the reporters at the press conferences seem to have the bottle to pin SP down so we get a bit of a none reply off him