Everton now under new owners

[fidelcastro]

Brentford have a ceiling. Everton don't really.

Thomas frank would walk over broken glass to manage Everton. As would loads of managers.

I very much doubt it.

Also, why would you call Dyche "dislikeable?"

Whatever his good and bad points during his time with us, I never once felt that I didn't like him.

[theduke]

You don't think Thomas frank... A manager who manages a team that plays in a 17k stadium that only has one ambition. To stay in the PL wouldn't want to manage a team that plays in a 53k stadium and wants to win things?

I think you are deluding yourself a little. Probably due to the bad blood between us and Everton with the FFP and relegation.

I actually think Frank would have joined them when dyche was appointed if they could afford the compo. Now it's a completely different beast.

[theduke]

On dyche. He acts like he's doing Everton a favour all the time.

[fidelcastro]

You don't think Thomas frank... A manager who manages a team that plays in a 17k stadium that only has one ambition. To stay in the PL wouldn't want to manage a team that plays in a 53k stadium and wants to win things?

I think you are deluding yourself a little. Probably due to the bad blood between us and Everton with the FFP and relegation.

I actually think Frank would have joined them when dyche was appointed if they could afford the compo. Now it's a completely different beast.

Everton have flirted with relegation for a few years now. I'm not sure they'll get the big name manager their fans think they're entitled to.

[fidelcastro]

On dyche. He acts like he's doing Everton a favour all the time.

Does he? I must've missed that.

What do you expect him to say or do?

[theduke]

Everton have flirted with relegation for a few years now. I'm not sure they'll get the big name manager their fans think they're entitled to.

Of course they will. A big club and money attracts.

Villa were the same and got emery. You are massively downplaying the size of Everton.

[fidelcastro]

Of course they will. A big club and money attracts.

Villa were the same and got emery. You are massively downplaying the size of Everton.

Another club with delusions of grandeur.

[Bosscat]

On dyche. He acts like he's doing Everton a favour all the time.

He is ... He's kept them in the Premier League

[Poulton-le-Claret]

He didn't sign any of them when he took over Newcastle that were adrift.

He's improved averaged players like willock, Murphy and long staff.
Dyche hasn't

I don't disagree that Howe is a top manager (probably the best English manager), but you wrong about his backing.

He took over Newcastle November 2021 and then spent close to £100m 2 months later in the January window on - Bruno G, Wood, Trippier, Burn and Target (loan to buy).

[theduke]

He did. But he's still made Murphy, longstaff and willock look like too PL players.

Dyche doesn't have it in him. He's a firefighter, he'll make a side solid at the back and build from there, actually that's it.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

On dyche. He acts like he's doing Everton a favour all the time.

He doesn't though let's be honest

Everton have 13 players OOC next summer
He's kept Everton up against the odds, including last season after several points deductions, without which Everton would've been 10th or higher

He's dealt with players sold, injuries etc and still Everton are in the PL

Is he doing Everton a favour?
No, he's doing his job and keeping them in the PL with a hand tied behind his back most of the time
He's proven he can develop players, can get a team playing good football and qualify for Europe

[AmbleClaret]

Who is this 'Duke' clown ? I suggest he hurries back to Liverpool quickly in time for the new stadium unveiling.

[fidelcastro]

Who is this 'Duke' clown ? I suggest he hurries back to Liverpool quickly in time for the new stadium unveiling.

He needs to calm down!

[Jakubclaret]

They will probably treat him the same way as ALK did!

It'll run to a conclusion if the reported term finishes slightly different to giving somebody a lengthy contract & not long after then getting rid. It just won't be renewed without a pay out instead of letting somebody go & still paying them.

[Jimmymaccer]

Let’s be fair, Dyche was dealt a bum deal at Watford, performed a miracle at Burnley with limited resources and has never had the chance to manage a team with substantial investment………..it’s a bit of face just doesn’t fit ………..yes, he had to have a bit of attitude, footballs a mercenary business, but most teams would be lucky to have him……

[Devils_Advocate]

Dyche is a great manager outside the top 10 in the country but his arrogance and main character vibes will stop him gating much higher than where he is now.

On paper Dyche should have well out preformed Howe but I think Dyche has a personality trait that helps him in a tough situation but will hold him back from ever managing to mix it with the big boys. On the other hand Howe seems much more adaptable and someone who can step up to the higher levels

[NewClaret]

Who is this 'Duke' clown ? I suggest he hurries back to Liverpool quickly in time for the new stadium unveiling.

Only ever seems to post on Everton threads for some odd reason?!?

I think they’ll pot Dyche as the group that have taken them over have potted two Roma managers so far this year. I’m guessing they’ll let Dyche face the Chelsea and City beatings, maybe Forest, then do the sacking before the January window opens.

I think they’ll get someone half decent next, what with the new management group, stadium, etc. The one after that might be a bit tougher. Whoever it is this time best be up for a relegation dogfight because they’ll be in and amongst it without significant strengthening in January.

As for Frank, he comes across as someone quite intelligent to me. I think he’d be able to recognise a basket case and understand what a hard job it’ll be to turn them around, personally. May be wrong though.

[Devils_Advocate]

Only ever seems to post on Everton threads for some odd reason?!?

I think he's an Everton fan and personally I think its good to hear the good and bad for how Dyche has performed since leaving us

[NewClaret]

I think he's an Everton fan and personally I think its good to hear the good and bad for how Dyche has performed since leaving us

Behave DA

[Jakubclaret]

I wouldn't be surprised at all if dyche ends up back here with the possible combination of Everton letting him go & our failure to get promoted.

[California Colner]

He is ... He's kept them in the Premier League

That’s been very hard to do with the points deductions no money and the injuries
Everton fans don’t appreciate what he has done!!
The fans will get there way and get rid of Dyche one way or other

[Shaggy]

No no no they can’t let the arrogant tosspot see out his contract they need to keep up his 100% record of being bagged.

He is despised by Everton fans for a couple of reasons, being style of play and general game management. They have seen through him pretty quickly unlike some people on here can’t/wont acknowledge. His character is like someone mentioned, arrogant and unlikable. He thinks he is better than what he is.

There is not a cat in hells chance that Dyche will be managing a premier league club with a big budget and ambition. Relegation battler at best.

[claretonthecoast1882]

You don't think Thomas frank... A manager who manages a team that plays in a 17k stadium that only has one ambition. To stay in the PL wouldn't want to manage a team that plays in a 53k stadium and wants to win things?

I think you are deluding yourself a little. Probably due to the bad blood between us and Everton with the FFP and relegation.

I actually think Frank would have joined them when dyche was appointed if they could afford the compo. Now it's a completely different beast.

Highly amusing comparison Brentford a club with one ambition to stay in the Prem v Everton a club who want to win things.

Every single club wants to win things including Brentford but maybe they are a bit more realistic. Everton on the other hand who have won 1 cup (same as Wigan & Portsmouth) since the mid 80s think they are relevant when it comes to competing for titles and cups. Moyes went to West Ham and won a European trophy where as Everton are in an annual relegation fight.

[theduke]

Annual relegation fight? The last 3 seasons, whilst they've had to stop spending to finance a new stadium.

Before that they had 1 didn't they? the Wimbledon season. So thats rubbish, Moyes and Martinez had them in europe consistently and in a cup final and 2 semi finals.

Brentford have no ambition to win things. They are not the same as Everton.

[theduke]

That’s been very hard to do with the points deductions no money and the injuries
Everton fans don’t appreciate what he has done!!
The fans will get there way and get rid of Dyche one way or other

They do, they just know that Dyche can't progress them. He's shown absolutely nothing to suggest he can.

Its just built into him. He has no interest in attempting to play football

[LincsWoldsClaret]

Obviously Everton will get a top foreign manager in for a while before continuing their spiral towards the lower divisions.

As for Frank going there - does he appear to be that stupid? He’ll get one of the top jobs when he’s ready.

[Bowclaret]

No no no they can’t let the arrogant tosspot see out his contract they need to keep up his 100% record of being bagged.

He is despised by Everton fans for a couple of reasons, being style of play and general game management. They have seen through him pretty quickly unlike some people on here can’t/wont acknowledge. His character is like someone mentioned, arrogant and unlikable. He thinks he is better than what he is.

There is not a cat in hells chance that Dyche will be managing a premier league club with a big budget and ambition. Relegation battler at best.

Agree with most of this. He was incredible for us and worked wonders. But jeez, he became so arrogant it was untrue towards the end.

When he first joined us, he was polite, determined, funny ! and would listen. At the end of the - the total opposite!

I watch him now in interviews and he just try’s to talk over everyone.

Maybe he should take lessons in humility from Thomas Frank at Brentford - always polite, no matter what.

[ClaretPete001]

Annual relegation fight? The last 3 seasons, whilst they've had to stop spending to finance a new stadium.

Before that they had 1 didn't they? the Wimbledon season. So thats rubbish, Moyes and Martinez had them in europe consistently and in a cup final and 2 semi finals.

Brentford have no ambition to win things. They are not the same as Everton.

Martinez had one good season and then finished 11th twice before the fans fell out with him.

Ancelloti had millions to spend and finished 12th with one less point than Sean Dyche achieved and then left before the fans decided he wasn't good enough.

Allardyce finished 8th but the fans didn't like him. Rafa finished 11th but the fans didn't like him at all.

And Dyche achieved 50 points and would have finished 12th but the fans don't like him either.

The West Ham of the North.

[Clovius Boofus]

What we saw towards the end of our Dyche era was a man under a tremendous amount of pressure - managing a top fight club on a shoestring (by EPL standards). Meanwhile, the club was being fattened up for the highest bidder. What Dyche achieved here is remarkable in the modern era.

To say he was a tosspot is absolutely staggering. Mind you, we have fans on here who never say a good word about anything. We could have a resurrected 'in his prime' Brian Clough managing us and the same fans would still find something to pour scorn on.

[martin_p]

When has being arrogant stopped managers getting jobs? If it was the case then the majority of the top managers would be unemployable!

[claretonthecoast1882]

Annual relegation fight? The last 3 seasons, whilst they've had to stop spending to finance a new stadium.

Before that they had 1 didn't they? the Wimbledon season. So thats rubbish, Moyes and Martinez had them in europe consistently and in a cup final and 2 semi finals.

Brentford have no ambition to win things. They are not the same as Everton.

Never finished higher than 4th.

Since 92-93 they have finished - 13th, 17th, 15th, 6th, 15th, 17th (stayed up on GD), 14th, 13th, 16th, 15th, 7th, 17th, 4th, 11th, 6th, 5th, 5th, 8th, 7th, 7th, 6th, 5th, 11th, 11th, 7th, 8th, 8th, 12th, 10th, 16th, 17th, 15th,

18 bottom half finishes including 6 bottom 5 finishes, 14 top half. If Everton have ambitions to win things then they are one of the worst performing clubs in European football

[IanMcL]

Annual relegation fight? The last 3 seasons, whilst they've had to stop spending to finance a new stadium.

Before that they had 1 didn't they? the Wimbledon season. So thats rubbish, Moyes and Martinez had them in europe consistently and in a cup final and 2 semi finals.

Brentford have no ambition to win things. They are not the same as Everton.

Bit more than 3