Zian Flemming

[equinox]

Take your place amongst the legends my friend and live the rest of your life knowing you're in Burnley folklore.

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[Hibsclaret]

Great pic

[Vegas Claret]

interview on the main thread
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[Bosscat]

I think Alan enjoyed it too

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[summitclaret]

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It certainly annoyed Sutton.

[IrkthePurists]

Thought he was excellent all round today. Might make a striker out of him yet.

[warksclaret]

Outstanding goal-so hard to direct it like that

[Stonehouse]

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[Taffy on the wing]

The Goalazo guy said "he leapt like a Salmon".

[Bosscat]

It certainly annoyed Sutton.

[Elizabeth]

We are starting to see what he's all about. I'm now officially declaring him fully match fit. Next stage is to witness him playing in his natural position.

[Newcastleclaret93]

For anyone that hasn’t seen it go and watch his interview with Sky.

Really really impressed me. I haven’t been a fan of his but that interview changed my opinion. The guy is a winner! And a seriously good character

[Pickles]

He's a couple of levels above anything Blackburn had today. We've been wondering about his performances - is he a 9? 10? 9½? Not sure. But he'd be Rovers' best player by an absolute mile and a very handy player for us to have. Seems to have totally bought into Burnley and the game today. Fantastic scenes at the end with the corner flag.

[RVclaret]

3 in his last 6 now.

[123EasyasBFC]

I genuinely think, Flemming could become a proper out and out number 9. His movement is getting better, his battling is good and he knows where the goal is. Have Barnes help him position wise and we have a real player on our hands

[Goliath]

I think we are sometimes guilty of failing to acknowledge that this style of play doesn't always flatter number 9's. We had the same under Kompany and away from us we have seen similar at City and Arsenal sometimes where the striker hardly touches the ball.

If we were to see a pass map I bet there's not many direct balls from full backs/centre mids directly into the striker. Under Dyche/Cotterill especially it was the opposite where the first thought was always to hit the striker and play off them.

[Papabendi]

Looks a v useful player to me.

[!aiboforceN]

Wout may have been 6" taller than Zian - but I know which Dutchman I'd rather have on the end of our crosses. Fabulous commitment and technique for that one today.

[DanH90]

As someone said above, I actually think he could become an effective number 9, and probably a better 9 than 10. His game doesn’t suit being a 10, he doesn’t arrive in the box late a la Brownhill, or operate in tight spaces, a la Sarmiento.

He is big, strong, good at linking the play (at times), and can finish. He doesn’t use his body well enough with his back to goal, to shield the ball and hold it up. That is definitely one thing Ashley Barnes can help him with between now and the end of the season.

[CoolClaret]

I think he's more of a deep-lying forward, the second striker in 2 man up top system; they just aren't really played too often these days.

I wouldn't say he's a traditional attacking midfielder/ '10' (hate that term). He would be ideal in a 4-4-2 or 3/5/2 for me.

He battled really hard today, and a lot of our best work came with little bits of intricate link play where he was involved, and of course, he did superbly for the goal.

What Zian does have (which not many in the recent starting XI has), is the ability to score a goal out of nowhere. That's three games now in recent weeks where his goalscoring contributions have directly led to us gaining all 3 points in tightly contested matches - the stats won't show that at the end of the season, but they're very important.

[BB4Claret]

That one header (and what a beauty it was) more than pays the cost of renting the helicopter back in August.
The corner flag stunt was the icing on the cake. (Has Bashley already had a word in his ear about housery???)

[Roosterbooster]

I think he's got so much potential. I also see him as a player who would benefit from having better footballers around him in a better league. He's got strength, loves a tussle, and clearly can score goals from anywhere on the pitch. But he also looks to use the ball, and get others involved. I'm not sure we have the personnel, or are playing the gamestyle to fulfil his potential currently

One time I think we did see this a little yesterday was with Foster on the left. Flemming turned on the centre spot and played Foster in the channel. A fully fit Foster would have galloped away and had a one on one. I can see them both being used more and more in this position, and possibly also with Koleosho on the other side

[123EasyasBFC]

In games against teams that are sitting in against us we should absolutely have Anthony brownhill Sarmiento foster Flemming in the starting 11

[Goliath]

I think he's got so much potential. I also see him as a player who would benefit from having better footballers around him in a better league. He's got strength, loves a tussle, and clearly can score goals from anywhere on the pitch. But he also looks to use the ball, and get others involved. I'm not sure we have the personnel, or are playing the gamestyle to fulfil his potential currently

One time I think we did see this a little yesterday was with Foster on the left. Flemming turned on the centre spot and played Foster in the channel. A fully fit Foster would have galloped away and had a one on one. I can see them both being used more and more in this position, and possibly also with Koleosho on the other side

Foster definitely looks more natural playing from the left facing the goal rather than as a 9 with his back to goal.

[Roosterbooster]

You could set up like this. But it could bring back the Brownhill ghost. And it'd leave Cullen with a lot to do. I'm also not sure Foster can play that position without 2 covering DCMs without limiting his output at the business end of the pitch

...........................Trafford
Roberts...... CJ .............Esteve ....Humphreys
.............................Cullen
....Anthony ......Brownhill ...........Foster
............Sarmiento ........Flemming

[Hipper]

I don't understand the adulation. Yes he got the ball in the net but Pears is still sitting on the pitch in the goal box.

[Mattster]

The 2 goals (or has the Sheff Utd one been credited to him) he's scored in the last 7 games since he reverted back to be first choice striker really seem to change perception. He's not a striker and he doesn't look like one IMO, had he not scored that goal, his one and only chance, everyone would have been saying how isolated and ineffective he was. Here's his stats for the last 7 games:

Mins: 461
Shots (on target): 8 (4)
Shots in the Penalty Area: 2 (1)
Shots from Open Play: 4 (2)
xG: 0.52
Touches in Penalty Area: 9
Key Passes: 1
Aerial Duels (won): 24 (7)
Ground Duels: 31 (10)
Dribble Attempts (successful): 5 (1)

Yesterday was Flemming's second shot from inside the area in 7 appearances. His first on target.

I'm not criticising Flemming, it's not his fault he's being played out of position and it's limiting his contribution, that he's got 2 (or 3) from such limited involvement is impressive.

[Stonehouse]

He did it yesterday and also the other day winning the ball around the halfway line and laying it off straight away to Humphreys both time resulting in goals,I can’t see a problem with the guy.

[Ric_C]

I think with the player we have, the best way to utilise Flemming is almost as a false 9. We then get the best out of Brownhill in the 8. The key to the rest of the season is the wide players, who need to almost play as Side strikers. Foster and another addition could be the key to this. This potentially get the best out of Foster as well. As I don't really think he is a number 9 (in the classic sense) either.

[RalphCoatesComb]

I don't understand the adulation. Yes he got the ball in the net but Pears is still sitting on the pitch in the goal box.

Scoring at Deadwood, and winning the game is enough for me. LEGEND !

[123EasyasBFC]

The 2 goals (or has the Sheff Utd one been credited to him) he's scored in the last 7 games since he reverted back to be first choice striker really seem to change perception. He's not a striker and he doesn't look like one IMO, had he not scored that goal, his one and only chance, everyone would have been saying how isolated and ineffective he was. Here's his stats for the last 7 games:

Mins: 461
Shots (on target): 8 (4)
Shots in the Penalty Area: 2 (1)
Shots from Open Play: 4 (2)
xG: 0.52
Touches in Penalty Area: 9
Key Passes: 1
Aerial Duels (won): 24 (7)
Ground Duels: 31 (10)
Dribble Attempts (successful): 5 (1)

Yesterday was Flemming's second shot from inside the area in 7 appearances. His first on target.

I'm not criticising Flemming, it's not his fault he's being played out of position and it's limiting his contribution, that he's got 2 (or 3) from such limited involvement is impressive.

I know you are all about stats and statistics in games but if you get chance to watch the game back, watch Flemming yesterday, I saw signs of a player who could be a very good number 9. He made runs off the ball yesterday, runs in behind but the ball was played there. Was in a fantastic position for the goal which meant he could make a run behind the defenders.

Flemming would of been the perfect 9 in the komapny championship season imo

[Mattster]

I know you are all about stats and statistics in games but if you get chance to watch the game back, watch Flemming yesterday, I saw signs of a player who could be a very good number 9. He made runs off the ball yesterday, runs in behind but the ball was played there. Was in a fantastic position for the goal which meant he could make a run behind the defenders.

Flemming would of been the perfect 9 in the komapny championship season imo

I'm not all about the stats, just using them to illustrate a point. People are so overawed by results/goals they don't notice things like this and the stats just show it irrefutably. People saying he'll be a better 9 than a 10, proper number 9 etc...

2 shots from inside the penalty area and 9 touches in the box in 7 appearances (5 starts) all played as a striker. He's not a 9. We're just winning games and he's scored a couple of goals so opinions change.

[123EasyasBFC]

I'm not all about the stats, just using them to illustrate a point. People are so overawed by results/goals they don't notice things like this and the stats just show it irrefutably. People saying he'll be a better 9 than a 10, proper number 9 etc...

2 shots from inside the penalty area and 9 touches in the box in 7 appearances (5 starts) all played as a striker. He's not a 9. We're just winning games and he's scored a couple of goals so opinions change.

In my opinion I think he can be a 9, he caused both cbs loads of problems yesterday they resulted to pulling him down constantly, if we had a tella type winger on one side and then the width of Anthony on the other then Flemming could become a good 9 in our system.

I wouldn’t mind seeing foster wide left with Flemming in the 9 and brownhill in the 10. All of fosters highlights before signed looked from the left and I remember opening night against Man City, first half he caused Walker loads of problems from the left

[Mattster]

In my opinion I think he can be a 9, he caused both cbs loads of problems yesterday they resulted to pulling him down constantly,

Didn't win a single foul yesterday btw and lost most of his duels. He's just not a lone striker and there's no criticism in me saying that.

He does his best work dropping deeper, linking play and shooting from range. He's not an out and out 9. Playing Foster ahead and to the left as you suggest is a fair suggestion as it would play to those strengths.

If he's the 9 we are not creating enough goalscoring chances in the area. It's not his game.

[burnleymik]

He did brilliantly with his goal and the celebration and then had a good spell after the goal, but we have to be honest about how ineffectual he has been in this system overall. I don't blame him it's not his natural position, I would love to see what he could do in behind the likes of Foster.

However all that said. He scored the winner against that lot away and then virtually made their fans explode in anger with the corner flag routine, so he'll do for me!!

[123EasyasBFC]

Didn't win a single foul yesterday btw and lost most of his duels. He's just not a lone striker and there's no criticism in me saying that.

He does his best work dropping deeper, linking play and shooting from range. He's not an out and out 9. Playing Foster ahead and to the left as you suggest is a fair suggestion as it would play to those strengths.

If he's the 9 we are not creating enough goalscoring chances in the area. It's not his game.

The fact they were constantly pulling showed he was causing problems, he should of won a stonewall pen for shirt pulling

[claretspice]

Didn't win a single foul yesterday btw and lost most of his duels. He's just not a lone striker and there's no criticism in me saying that.

He does his best work dropping deeper, linking play and shooting from range. He's not an out and out 9. Playing Foster ahead and to the left as you suggest is a fair suggestion as it would play to those strengths.

If he's the 9 we are not creating enough goalscoring chances in the area. It's not his game.

I don't think he's a 9 (not yet anyway; it may be that over time he matures into that role) but equally I don't think Sarmiento is a left winger or Foster a conventional central striker. It may be that once the three of them start together, they make sense of each other because Foster can play from the left to centre and vice versa, Flemming can operate as a false 9 cum 10, and Sarmiento can flit between number 10 amd left side. There's potential for nice rotation there (although the way Foster came on and played off Flemming on Wednesday was odd and not really in line with that plan).

For all that Flemming led the line well yesterday.

[IanMcL]

Discussion as to whether Zian gets clobbered by the FA for waving the corner flag, with a Claret shirt and inciting love and joy!

https://www.footballinsider247.com/excl ... ntroversy/

[Goliath]

Not a popular view but I think the player celebrations on Saturday were a bit ridiculous. If he's managed to get himself a ban or a fine with his antics then he's a pillock.

We've probably made it harder for ourselves the next time we play that lot as well. They won't forget it in a hurry.

[mickleoverclaret]

Not a popular view but I think the player celebrations on Saturday were a bit ridiculous. If he's managed to get himself a ban or a fine with his antics then he's a pillock.

We've probably made it harder for ourselves the next time we play that lot as well. They won't forget it in a hurry.

We won the league and waved inflatable trophies there last time and they couldn't do anything about it on Saturday.

[Goliath]

We won the league and waved inflatable trophies there last time and they couldn't do anything about it on Saturday.

There's a massive difference between winning the league and winning 3 points in January

[123EasyasBFC]

Not a popular view but I think the player celebrations on Saturday were a bit ridiculous. If he's managed to get himself a ban or a fine with his antics then he's a pillock.

We've probably made it harder for ourselves the next time we play that lot as well. They won't forget it in a hurry.

Were the celebrations over the top? Absolutely

Was it fantastic to see? Absolutely

Rovers fans threw a flare on the pitch at turf moor after a 1-1 draw, just imagine what they would of done after a win

[taio]

Not a popular view but I think the player celebrations on Saturday were a bit ridiculous. If he's managed to get himself a ban or a fine with his antics then he's a pillock.

We've probably made it harder for ourselves the next time we play that lot as well. They won't forget it in a hurry.

The celebrations were great

[mickleoverclaret]

There's a massive difference between winning the league and winning 3 points in January

Of course, just making the point that just because it winds them up doesn't mean they'll be good enough to do anything about it next time we visit.

[Goliath]

Of course, just making the point that just because it winds them up doesn't mean they'll be good enough to do anything about it next time we visit.

No but it will sure as hell motivate them. It's not the end of the world I just think the players got slightly carried away. I bet if the players had done that when we won there under Dyche he'd have given them the mother of all b*llockings.

Things like that can come back to bite

[ElectroClaret]

We've probably made it harder for ourselves the next time we play that lot as well. They won't forget it in a hurry.

Well, we won the Championship last time we played there.
Could hardly be more provocative than that.
And that didn't make them play any better on Saturday

[dandeclaret]

No but it will sure as hell motivate them. It's not the end of the world I just think the players got slightly carried away. I bet if the players had done that when we won there under Dyche he'd have given them the mother of all b*llockings.

Things like that can come back to bite

Didn't Trippier do a chicken dance on the wall in front of the away end under Dyche when Burnley won there?

[Goliath]

Didn't Trippier do a chicken dance on the wall in front of the away end under Dyche when Burnley won there?

For about 2 seconds. I doubt Dyche even knew about it tbf but I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have approved. It was a lot less of a scene than pulling the corner flag out of the ground and covering the Blackburn crest/flag with a Burnley shirt, before parading it infront of the fans.

If Fleming gets in trouble for incitement of those fans that were in the corner then I can't say I'd particularly disagree