53 Years for the Southport Murderer

[Burnley Ace]

I made a reply to God is a deejay who said -' the Govt said that the perp is a Christian.'

I just pointed out that I don't think a Christian would have an al Qaeda terror manual.

I do know he's a violent psychopath who hates Britain and the British people.

As for the father who 'prevented a massacre' what a hero! Why didn't he call the police? Was it because his house was full of weapons?

His father called the police on a number of occasions. Would it have been different if he had an SAS training book, A Green Betet/Navy SEAL one? What evidence have you seen that he hates Britain or British people, have you just made that but up?

[NewClaret]

It's not about what he wants his feelings shouldn't even come into consideration. It's about to some people having to fund the rest of his life in prison when some would prefer him dead & the whole sorry episode done with. You are just prolonging something unnecessarily & making people when they don't want to foot the bill.

Completely agree. I dare say the victims parents would love to see him executed tomorrow so they can live safe in the knowledge this evil man is no longer on this planet. I know I would if someone did that to my child.

Outside of that, the taxpayers shouldn’t have to fund his existence another day.

[GetIntoEm]

Kids dead and people still trying to be woke and holier than thou. Crazy times we live in.

Hope he suffers personally, and his complicit family

[Darnhill Claret]

The culprit has been detained, and now imprisoned. When it comes close to 50 years from now the Home Secretary of the day will announce that he will spend the rest of his days in prison. This would be similar to Brady and Hindley who were originally sentenced to life, without the possibility of parole 'for a very long time'. Later the sentencing was reviewed and the subject of parole, was put at 30 years. Later Jack Straw said Hindley would spend the rest of her days in prison. Brady never applied for parole, whereas Brady did.
Hindley died 36 years after imprisonment and Brady several years later.

[Darnhill Claret]

Don't think anyone is being holier than thou and woke certainly doesn't come into it. Some people are just trying to explain aspects of the law of the land, and aspects of the British Constitution. Also trying to correct some false and misleading misinformation, which thankfully does seem to now be reducing.

It's also obvious some people are refusing to read up on the facts that are now being released and published. This allows them to continue to spread lies and misinformation.

However we are all on the same side hopefully, when it comes to the extreme sadness we feel for the dead, the injured, the traumatised and the fallout which will be massive for many years to come.
Everyone's anger is also normal, expected and understandable.

[JohnMcGreal]

I think you’ll find the Police, Social Services and other agencies are completely overwhelmed.

Clearly there were failings, especially in the ‘Prevent’ programme because apparently he didn’t fit the mould of an extremist. I also understand he had been referred to the multi agency safeguarding hubs too. I imagine there are urgent reviews taking place with all these mechanisms.

Unfortunately, and this is a dark reality of the society that we live in, there are many thousands of individuals out there wishing to do us harm, for a variety of reasons. For every attack that does get through, hundreds are thwarted.

Reading into the background of this horrendous individual, I could give you 100’s of kids who I have seen over the years that have exhibited similar behaviour- carrying knives, expelled from school etc. The referral processes, and getting any sort of help and treatment required, is painfully slow because it is so overwhelmed. No doubt there’ll be many on here that can relay their own experiences.

Around 15 years ago, I had a briefing with someone from Special Branch who said there was around 10,000 individuals considered to be some sort of (terrorist) threat, to varying degrees. I have no idea if that number has gone up or down, but the numbers of officers it needs to track and monitor just one individual is mind boggling.

It’s a deeply tragic incident, and all the mitigation won’t comfort the grieving families, but to claim the Police aren’t working for the public smacks of reading too much Twitter conspiracy theories.

Good post.

[RicardoMontalban]

Completely agree. I dare say the victims parents would love to see him executed tomorrow so they can live safe in the knowledge this evil man is no longer on this planet. I know I would if someone did that to my child.

Outside of that, the taxpayers shouldn’t have to fund his existence another day.

As has been stated multiple times, the death penalty (at least in somewhere resembling a democratic country which leaves us with US and Japan) is not a cheap option and costs the tax payer more than incarceration for life. Trying to dress up support for the death penalty as an economic solution is disingenuous to say the least.

Of course if we’re wanting to model ourselves on more authoritarian/theocratic countries, crack on. But I didn’t think that was your thing.

[SalouClaret]

Kids dead and people still trying to be woke and holier than thou. Crazy times we live in.

Hope he suffers personally, and his complicit family

If anything, it's the authorities who were complicit. Or is that too woke for you?

[Jakubclaret]

Completely agree. I dare say the victims parents would love to see him executed tomorrow so they can live safe in the knowledge this evil man is no longer on this planet. I know I would if someone did that to my child.

Outside of that, the taxpayers shouldn’t have to fund his existence another day.

I know mate it's absolutely insane that some of us are actually getting out of bed & going to work & contributing to make this happen.

[GetIntoEm]

If anything, it's the authorities who were complicit. Or is that too woke for you?

Nope, the police and the NHS to blame also.

[boatshed bill]

I'm unsure as to how this young killer was deemed fit for trial.

[taio]

I'm unsure as to how this young killer was deemed fit for trial.

There wasn't a trial - he pleaded guilty. In any case, he'd had a mental health assessment and it was deemed that the MH Act didn't apply.

[boatshed bill]

There wasn't a trial - he pleaded guilty. In any case, he'd had a mental health assessment and it was deemed that the MH Act didn't apply.

Yes, sorry, that's what I meant really. He must have been considered fit for trial or he couldn't have entered a plea.

[Robbie_painter]

As has been stated multiple times, the death penalty (at least in somewhere resembling a democratic country which leaves us with US and Japan) is not a cheap option and costs the tax payer more than incarceration for life. Trying to dress up support for the death penalty as an economic solution is disingenuous to say the least.

Of course if we’re wanting to model ourselves on more authoritarian/theocratic countries, crack on. But I didn’t think that was your thing.

How can hanging him cost more than keeping him in prison for the rest of his life?He could quite easily live for another 60-70 years.

[RicardoMontalban]

How can hanging him cost more than keeping him in prison for the rest of his life?He could quite easily live for another 60-70 years.

Because in anything resembling a functioning democracy and judicial system the convicted wouldn’t be dragged outside and hung ten minutes after sentence. Our system as it is gives people right of appeal etc, certainly in the US which is the only real comparison that exists.

[DCWat]

Do you know what the criteria is for it to be “terror related”. s1Terrorism Act 2000 is quite straightforward

The use or threat must also be for the purpose of advancing a political, religious, racial or ideological cause.

[Robbie_painter]

Because in anything resembling a functioning democracy and judicial system the convicted wouldn’t be dragged outside and hung ten minutes after sentence. Our system as it is gives people right of appeal etc, certainly in the US which is the only real comparison that exists.

In cases like this the right of appeal should be taken away and he should be disposed of as inhumanely as possible,I’d be quite happy for the guillotine to be reintroduced for the little ****.

[RicardoMontalban]

In cases like this the right of appeal should be taken away and he should be disposed of as inhumanely as possible,I’d be quite happy for the guillotine to be reintroduced for the little ****.

Weird.

Well, thankfully, in this hypothetical scenario where the death penalty is reinstated, that’s not going to happen. Your deal appears to be some sort of savage blood lust and retribution.

[Robbie_painter]

Weird.

Well, thankfully, in this hypothetical scenario where the death penalty is reinstated, that’s not going to happen. Your deal appears to be some sort of savage blood lust and retribution.

I’d buy a ticket to watch it.

[RicardoMontalban]

I’d buy a ticket to watch it.

I have no doubt you would.

[RVclaret]

‘The BBC has also established that Rudakubana's parents did not alert local police to the fact the teenager attempted to travel to his former school a week before the Southport attack, where prosecutors now believe he intended to carry out a mass killing.’

Awful stuff from the parents, should they be charged?

[Colburn_Claret]

We are all to blame in some small part.
Modern society, especially through the Internet and tv, leaves kids feeling disenfranchised or worse, failures. It isolates individuals to the point they have nothing to lose, and the natural reaction is to find someone to blame.
Then there are the jihadists (or anyother extremists) who'll exploit the sad situation by pretending to be understanding, pretending that they care, and offering them a solution. It's readily accepted, because we as a society don't offer any alternative solutions .We turn a blind eye and think it's someone else's problem. Blame the parents, blame the teachers, blame the authorities.
We all have it in our hands to make someone else's life better, as long as we think only of 'our own', then these things will escalate. We've all seen kids walking the streets with a chip on their shoulder, we've all ignored it, maybe all it takes to stop the next slaughter is to stop and ask 'why so low son?' instead of walking by.

[AmbleClaret]

We are all to blame in some small part.
Modern society, especially through the Internet and tv, leaves kids feeling disenfranchised or worse, failures. It isolates individuals to the point they have nothing to lose, and the natural reaction is to find someone to blame.
Then there are the jihadists (or anyother extremists) who'll exploit the sad situation by pretending to be understanding, pretending that they care, and offering them a solution. It's readily accepted, because we as a society don't offer any alternative solutions .We turn a blind eye and think it's someone else's problem. Blame the parents, blame the teachers, blame the authorities.
We all have it in our hands to make someone else's life better, as long as we think only of 'our own', then these things will escalate. We've all seen kids walking the streets with a chip on their shoulder, we've all ignored it, maybe all it takes to stop the next slaughter is to stop and ask 'why so low son?' instead of walking by.

Agree with everything you've said there.The problem these days is in your last sentence, people are getting too afraid to intervene because of the ever increasing threat of a violent response.

[HahaYeah]

His father called the police on a number of occasions. Would it have been different if he had an SAS training book, A Green Betet/Navy SEAL one? What evidence have you seen that he hates Britain or British people, have you just made that but up?

The BBC has also established that Rudakubana's parents did not alert local police to the fact the teenager attempted to travel to his former school a week before the Southport attack, where prosecutors now believe he intended to carry out a mass killing.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crke680m0npo

SAS training books are not Al Qaeda terror manuals.

I know he hates British people because he spent 12 minutes in a stabbing frenzy on British children one of them stabbed over a hundred times, some of them suffering broken bones.

[ClaretPete001]

Jeesh some of the stuff on here.

He is clearly a sociopath and no amount of saying 'Why so low' son is going to change him. We live in a biological gene pool that has to have a diversity of cognitive types to survive. I doubt there is anything that can be done with people like this other than we pay our taxes and expect people to do their jobs.

We have a crisis of competence in this country because for too many reality is conflating with ideology and a fantasy world where we can say stuff and it somehow correlates with reality.

[ClaretPete001]

The BBC has also established that Rudakubana's parents did not alert local police to the fact the teenager attempted to travel to his former school a week before the Southport attack, where prosecutors now believe he intended to carry out a mass killing.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crke680m0npo

SAS training books are not Al Qaeda terror manuals.

I know he hates British people because he spent 12 minutes in a stabbing frenzy on British children one of them stabbed over a hundred times, some of them suffering broken bones.

Quite logical if he lived in Dubai and sought out British children but given he was born here and the vast majority of the children are British then I think it's safe to assume he just attacked children.

[Burnley Ace]

The BBC has also established that Rudakubana's parents did not alert local police to the fact the teenager attempted to travel to his former school a week before the Southport attack, where prosecutors now believe he intended to carry out a mass killing.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crke680m0npo

SAS training books are not Al Qaeda terror manuals.

I know he hates British people because he spent 12 minutes in a stabbing frenzy on British children one of them stabbed over a hundred times, some of them suffering broken bones.

From the same article:
“It is not known how much he knew of his son's intentions that day and the BBC has been unable to speak to Rudakubana's parents”

SAS training books etc contain the same information as Al Qaeda terror manual. I’m sure there are people around the world who have been more terrorised by SAS and special forces than Al Qaeda.

as for him hating Britain, well youre just making that up.

[Murger]

From the same article:
“It is not known how much he knew of his son's intentions that day and the BBC has been unable to speak to Rudakubana's parents”

SAS training books etc contain the same information as Al Qaeda terror manual. I’m sure there are people around the world who have been more terrorised by SAS and special forces than Al Qaeda.

as for him hating Britain, well youre just making that up.

Some people will defend just about anything.

[GetIntoEm]

Unbelievable people are still trying to justify this ain't it, or silly reasoning.

The lads the lowest sub human going and so are the parents. Imagine knowing your kids intents to murder innocent children and not having the balls to tell the police

Hopefully they are the next ones in court. Throw them in with him.

[HahaYeah]

From the same article:
“It is not known how much he knew of his son's intentions that day and the BBC has been unable to speak to Rudakubana's parents”

SAS training books etc contain the same information as Al Qaeda terror manual. I’m sure there are people around the world who have been more terrorised by SAS and special forces than Al Qaeda.

as for him hating Britain, well youre just making that up.

Rudakubana's hatred for Britain and the British was fuelled by leftist anti collonial anti British propaganda books that were in his possession.

He is also known to have said that 'Britain needs a genocide like Rwanda'
He also called for 'white genocide in Britain.'

[Burnley Ace]

Some people will defend just about anything.

What am I defending?

[Murger]

What am I defending?

Why not read your own post?

[Burnley Ace]

Rudakubana's hatred for Britain and the British was fuelled by leftist anti collonial anti British propaganda books that were in his possession.

He is also known to have said that 'Britain needs a genocide like Rwanda'
He also called for 'white genocide in Britain.'

What books? Where are you getting these quotes from?

[Burnley Ace]

Why not read your own post?

You make the accusation, substantiate it.

[Murger]

You make the accusation, substantiate it.

You are playing a game of whataboutary. Why did you feel the need to write ‘if they found an SAS manual’?
They didn’t, the found an al-queda manual.

[HahaYeah]

What books? Where are you getting these quotes from?

Books listed here:
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/full-list-ter ... 46237.html

The quotes have been reported, can't remember where.

[morninbob]

Rudakubana's hatred for Britain and the British was fuelled by leftist anti collonial anti British propaganda books that were in his possession.

He is also known to have said that 'Britain needs a genocide like Rwanda'
He also called for 'white genocide in Britain.'

Yeah but it's not racism when it's against little white girls.....

[Burnley Ace]

You are playing a game of whataboutary. Why did you feel the need to write ‘if they found an SAS manual’?
They didn’t, the found an al-queda manual.

Because quite simply having a training manual doesn’t make you a terrorist in the same way having an SAS manual doesn’t make you a soldier.

[Pickles]

What happened to there being no political threads on the board? This has gone further than a tribute to those little girls and shock at the evil and depravity. Anything else - especially speculation, conspiracy theories and incendiary comments - don't belong on a football message board, in my opinion.

[Murger]

What happened to there being no political threads on the board? This has gone further than a tribute to those little girls and shock at the evil and depravity. Anything else - especially speculation, conspiracy theories and incendiary comments - don't belong on a football message board, in my opinion.

Don’t read the thread then.

[Burnley Ace]

Books listed here:
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/full-list-ter ... 46237.html

The quotes have been reported, can't remember where.

That’s a comprehensive list of books and articles. “‘The Mau Mau War: British Counterinsurgency in Colonial Kenya’ and “‘Examination of punishments dealt to slave rebels in two 18th Century British Plantation Societies’ - that shows more of an admiration for the British rule, not a hatred.

The article does go on to say - “However, due to the wide-ranging material he viewed, officers said Rudakubana did not prescribe to any political, religious or ideological way of thinking. Instead officers and prosecutors said his only purpose was to kill and he did so by targeting the youngest and most vulnerable” - nothing about hating the British, Britain, white people, Christianity or any of the other spurious reasons that certain groups keep trying to push.

[GetIntoEm]

Just a misunderstood little boy wasn't he

[Jakubclaret]

Don’t read the thread then.

Always amazes me why people comment on things they are supposedly not interested in. You'd just let folk get on with things & don't interfere. It'll disappear or get locked eventually anyway.