January Transfer Window Rumours

[Guller Bull]

If you were Italien you would be able to tella the difference.

Again can we just crack on and cut out the squabbling?

[morpheus2]

Neither of those is Nathan Tella though….

Really?

[Claretindorset]

Talk sport reporting burnley have turned down an offer for Esteve from Crystal Palace. We don't sell him surely

[martin_p]

Talk sport reporting burnley have turned down an offer for Esteve from Crystal Palace. We don't sell him surely

Let’s hope not! It’s not our goal scoring record that’s keeping us in the top four, selling Esteve would be a disaster!

[alboclaret]

Easy to mix them up...providing you're either,

a) a racist
or
b) a simpleton

Do you pull commentators up all the time when they mix up players of colour?

[morpheus2]

At Mondays game, from the JMU, I though Luca was getting ready to come on, when it was Sarmiento

Does that make me racist?

Yes 100%!
And you know what, the funny thing is, the woke self rightious race baiters on here with amazing facial recognition skills will be frantically searching Google images to be sure which one is which on the pic I posted so they can come on and tell us how obvious it is and how racist you all are.

In other news we cannot sell Steeeeve, recipe for disaster.

[Woodleyclaret]

Steve is £40m defender anything less is a no no

[wadeswondergoal]

22 years old, just signed a new contract, very high ceiling.

Start the bidding at £60m

[BigChaCha]

The word 'racist' or any synonyms, means absolutely nothing now because of scenarios like this!... Because it is used daily and out of context continually, it has lost its power completely. I even see it used in jokes constantly these days, where friends will call it each other in an ironic way because it is pretty much a nothing word these days. The Loony Left started out using it as a 'Power' word but it now has the opposite effect.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Isn't it Alex Crook who does the transfer news on the radio version of the Sun ? He makes Nixon look accurate.

The same guy who had Brownhill joining West Ham 2 year on a free as he was out of contract.

[Goliath]

Talk sport reporting burnley have turned down an offer for Esteve from Crystal Palace. We don't sell him surely

In January we shouldn't be selling unless it's something mental like 50 million. We can always revisit in Summer.

I think there's a good chance we will be starting next season with a new keeper and 2 new centre backs.

[BigChaCha]

wilks_bfc wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2025 9:53 am

In other news we cannot sell Steeeeve, recipe for disaster.

If someone is willing to pay 30m to 40m, he will definitely go in any window!

[deanothedino]

Jeez.....you equate identifying a bloke sprinting 80 yards away, with his back to you....with comparing 2 photos??

OK.

You were equating comparing 2 photos with a quick glance at someone at a distance…

[Newcastleclaret93]

If someone is willing to pay 30m to 40m, he will definitely go in any window!

Especially given we already have his replacement at the club (Humphrey’s)

[NewClaret]

Talk sport reporting burnley have turned down an offer for Esteve from Crystal Palace. We don't sell him surely

Firstly, if we sell any one of our best players now would be an utterly stupid decision both in a sporting and financial sense.

1. We’re less likely to go up, risking £200m, 2. We’ll get less money than we could command as a premier league club in 5 months, 3. These players values are only going to go up.

Secondly, we should be finding Esteve a club a lot bigger than Palace. He and we should have our sights set a lot higher for him.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Firstly, if we sell any one of our best players now would be an utterly stupid decision both in a sporting and financial sense.

1. We’re less likely to go up, risking £200m, 2. We’ll get less money than we could command as a premier league club in 5 months, 3. These players values are only going to go up.

Secondly, we should be finding Esteve a club a lot bigger than Palace. He and we should have our sights set a lot higher for him.

People keep saying stuff like this but for the life of me I just don’t see it.

He’s a very good defender but on the ball he’s really average. Which bigger club do you think is going to go after him?

[NewClaret]

If someone is willing to pay 30m to 40m, he will definitely go in any window!

If I were the club, I’d be looking at what Liverpool paid Southampton for VVD and asking myself if that’s the kind of money we should be holding out for some of these young players.

Is £30-40m really worth risking £200m for? I would say not.

[NewClaret]

People keep saying stuff like this but for the life of me I just don’t see it.

He’s a very good defender but on the ball he’s really average. Which bigger club do you think is going to go after him?

I agree he needs some work on his passing/on the ball.

It’s not really about now, it’s about his potential ceiling.

[BigChaCha]

NewClaret » Wed Jan 29, 2025 10:49 am

If I were the club, I’d be looking at what Liverpool paid Southampton for VVD and asking myself if that’s the kind of money we should be holding out for some of these young players.

Is £30-40m really worth risking £200m for? I would say not.

That makes sense, I'm just going off how our board operates. Pace seems pretty relaxed about finances so who knows, we might hold out for 50m plus if we get promoted and he keeps up or even improves his form. He has the raw materials and mentality to be a top-class defender.

[Hipper]

If true about Esteve, it seems Palace are looking for a future replacement defender. Perhaps they expect to lose Gueye this summer. They paid £18 million for him three years ago, and paid £21 million for Lacroix last summer after selling Anderson to Fulham for £30 million. They seem to know the value of centre backs.

[Newcastleclaret93]

I agree he needs some work on his passing/on the ball.

It’s not really about now, it’s about his potential ceiling.

Fair comment

[mkmel]

At Mondays game, from the JMU, I though Luca was getting ready to come on, when it was Sarmiento

Does that make me racist?

I think the clue was in the different hair style

[NewClaret]

That makes sense, I'm just going off how our board operates. Pace seems pretty relaxed about finances so who knows, we might hold out for 50m plus if we get promoted and he keeps up or even improves his form. He has the raw materials and mentality to be a top-class defender.

Well I wouldn’t say the summer business felt relaxed. Felt quite panicked to me!

And on that basis I can’t rule out another panicked exits, but I think if there’s any chance of this financial model really working the club need to be holding out for top top dollar on players and that means hanging on to them for longer than 12 months. 18 months even. Maybe a year or two longer than they’d really like themselves, to get them

If they keep snapping the hands off of the first team and bids that arrive, it’ll never work.

Even that doesn’t guarantee success because you then have to invest it really, really well (Southampton a case in point for that too - they didn’t). But with £200m on the line I think we’ll have to be really desperate and equally stupid to let any of our key players go.

[claretcarrot93]

People keep saying stuff like this but for the life of me I just don’t see it.

He’s a very good defender but on the ball he’s really average. Which bigger club do you think is going to go after him?

Surprised that you have an opinion which goes against the norm. Very uncharacteristic

[NewClaret]

Fair comment

Your point sort of ties in to my other one, which is that if our model is to buy young players, develop them and sell them, we at some point have to take the next step of holding out for a really big fee like Bournemouth did with Solanke or Southampton did to an extent with VVD.

It’s clear Esteve needs to improve how he carries the ball, his passing and also add set piece goals if he’s going to go for the top dollar. He’s got it in him though. We could cave and sell him now for £30m say or use the rest of this season and next working on those things and then get significantly more.

[123EasyasBFC]

Ollie Tanner

[NewClaret]

Ollie Tanner

What about him?

[deanothedino]

Your point sort of ties in to my other one, which is that if our model is to buy young players, develop them and sell them, we at some point have to take the next step of holding out for a really big fee like Bournemouth did with Solanke or Southampton did to an extent with VVD.

It’s clear Esteve needs to improve how he carries the ball, his passing and also add set piece goals if he’s going to go for the top dollar. He’s got it in him though. We could cave and sell him now for £30m say or use the rest of this season and next working on those things and then get significantly more.

No one is offering £30m for Esteve. He’s good but there’s definitely some claret tinted spectacles being worn here.

[NewClaret]

No one is offering £30m for Esteve. He’s good but there’s definitely some claret tinted spectacles being worn here.

Well I would say a left footed left sided centre back are in very rare and when Everton are wanting £60m for Branthwaite and presumably Palace want similar for Gueye, I’d say £30m is a bargain.

But my other points stand - he isn’t going to go down in value, we’d secure more if promoted and £30m (so definitely less) is not worth the risk to £200m promotion money.

[Socrates]

He’s a French U21 international, rapid and left sided with some Premier League experience and the best defender in a team with the best defensive record in the history of football.

And people doubt if we’d get £30 million for him?

[burnley007]

He’s a French U21 international, rapid and left sided with some Premier League experience and the best defender in a team with the best defensive record in the history of football.

And people doubt if we’d get £30 million for him?

Absolutely agree.

If we keep Parker and get rid of Esteve, Pace can do one for me.

[martin_p]

He’s a French U21 international, rapid and left sided with some Premier League experience and the best defender in a team with the best defensive record in the history of football.

And people doubt if we’d get £30 million for him?

I’m not sure why we constantly talk down the value of our own players, supporters of teams whose players we are interested in always seem to be talking theirs up!

[martin_p]

If we keep Parker

We’re third for Christ’s sake!

[agreenwood]

I’m not sure why we constantly talk down the value of our own players, supporters of teams whose players we are interested in always seem to be talking theirs up!

It’s not really “we”, it’s one poster. Whilst hyping Belgian second division players he claims to watch regularly.

Esteve is worth £30m of anyone’s money.

[martin_p]

It’s not really “we”, it’s one poster. Whilst hyping Belgian second division players he claims to watch regularly.

Esteve is worth £30m of anyone’s money.

There’s a couple on this page, but fair point.

[123EasyasBFC]

Absolutely agree.

If we keep Parker and get rid of Esteve, Pace can do one for me.

Yet again another dig at Parker, you literally cannot help yourself

[BigGaz]

Well I wouldn’t say the summer business felt relaxed. Felt quite panicked to me!

And on that basis I can’t rule out another panicked exits, but I think if there’s any chance of this financial model really working the club need to be holding out for top top dollar on players and that means hanging on to them for longer than 12 months. 18 months even. Maybe a year or two longer than they’d really like themselves, to get them

If they keep snapping the hands off of the first team and bids that arrive, it’ll never work.

Even that doesn’t guarantee success because you then have to invest it really, really well (Southampton a case in point for that too - they didn’t). But with £200m on the line I think we’ll have to be really desperate and equally stupid to let any of our key players go.

It's a good point but it's not as simple as that imo. Every player has a right time to sell, and that might be 6 months after getting them or it might be two or three years. it's a bit finger in the air and I'm thankful it's not me that has to make that call.

For example, by all accounts we were swatting away offers of 15-20m for Benson at the end of his first season. Similar with Zaroury. With the benefit of hindsight, we should've gone for it. Same in the last window where we had offers of between 20 and 30m for Koleosho and Foster, and i think most folk now If given the option would have taken the option.

Sometimes the more a player plays (or doesn't play) their value goes down and sometimes it's the opposite. I guess we need to be better at recognising which is which if this continues to be the 'model'.

[Tricky Trevor]

Steve is a fantastic defender but lacking as a footballer. Any side that signs him needs a footballer CB, as we have, to partner him. Currently he is bottom half PL at best. Comparing him to VVD is ludicrous. He’d spent two years at Celtic before he signed for Saints and was well known throughout football.

[123EasyasBFC]

What about him?

A player the club like but don’t see us actually signing him this Jan, no space in the squad

[billyhamilton82]

Talk sport reporting burnley have turned down an offer for Esteve from Crystal Palace. We don't sell him surely

Esteve isn't leaving this season.

Talk5hite, are doing just that, as usual.

[Newcastleclaret93]

He’s a French U21 international, rapid and left sided with some Premier League experience and the best defender in a team with the best defensive record in the history of football.

And people doubt if we’d get £30 million for him?

Stats suggest we definitely won’t get that for Esteve.

In premier league history there has only been 28 cbs signed for more than 30m.

There has never been a Cb signed from the championship for 30m or more.

I agree with Newclaret that selling him now is pointless we would get way more if promoted

[Im_not_Robbie_Blake]

Will Berge soon be ready to take his place?

[wadeswondergoal]

Stats suggest we definitely won’t get that for Esteve.

In premier league history there has only been 28 cbs signed for more than 30m.

There has never been a Cb signed from the championship for 30m or more.

I agree with Newclaret that selling him now is pointless we would get way more if promoted

The championship has never seen a defence like ours.

[Newcastleclaret93]

The championship has never seen a defence like ours.

And this is relevant?

[martin_p]

And this is relevant?

Well yes, obviously!

[NewClaret]

It's a good point but it's not as simple as that imo. Every player has a right time to sell, and that might be 6 months after getting them or it might be two or three years. it's a bit finger in the air and I'm thankful it's not me that has to make that call.

For example, by all accounts we were swatting away offers of 15-20m for Benson at the end of his first season. Similar with Zaroury. With the benefit of hindsight, we should've gone for it. Same in the last window where we had offers of between 20 and 30m for Koleosho and Foster, and i think most folk now If given the option would have taken the option.

Sometimes the more a player plays (or doesn't play) their value goes down and sometimes it's the opposite. I guess we need to be better at recognising which is which if this continues to be the 'model'.

I think the players you mention all had offers but I’d heard Benson £10m to Leeds and based on promotion, with Koleosho sub £20m from Wolves. Not sure about Lyle or Zaroury, although I think we got decent £ for Anass in the end given how his form dipped. My point is I think sometimes the rumours of interest don’t necessarily translate to actual decent bids on the table in the way they’re reported.

I take your point though, even at lower amounts there’s one or two I’d have taken with hindsight, although having not sold can only be deemed the right or wrong choice when we eventually do. Players can have good seasons, off seasons, then great seasons again.

Turning down any offer is always going to be a risk though, definitely agree on that. Accepting Odobert looks a great call now even if the fee was slightly light given his full potential - but in the alternative universe he’d stayed and not got injured, maybe he’d have been on 20 goals and we’d be clear by 10 points, looking to sell him for £50m in summer. Who knows?

I just think that to really make this model work and eek out the full benefits of it, we’re going to have to place our chips on some of players, hold and take that risk else it’ll be marginal gains. I also think as a club we need that on the pitch as well as financially, else you’re always “starting again” with another raw talent.

Finding a way to avoid being a yo-yo club would help a great deal too!

[wadeswondergoal]

And this is relevant?

Are you for real? Of course it’s relevant!

[Row x]

And this is relevant?

The best ever defence, of which Esteve is a big part may make him the most sought after CB in championship history.

So in answer to your question, yes it relevant.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Are you for real? Of course it’s relevant!

Only reason we have conceded so few goals is because of how Parker sets us up.

In terms of Esteves value this will have little to no effect.

I would actually argue if we were in more open and expansive team where Esteve could develop his passing range that would actually increase his value more.

[deanothedino]

I’m not sure why we constantly talk down the value of our own players, supporters of teams whose players we are interested in always seem to be talking theirs up!

We’re definitely talking them up

He’s certainly got the potential to be a £30m player, he’s just not there yet.