Tresor

[Rileybobs]

Surely we should have been told that by now if it was true?

If you're right, then Pace was lying through his teeth at the fans' forum!

It's possible that we have tried to renegotiate the contract but the two parties are unable to agree terms. Could be ******** but I can't find a better explanation why he got on the pitch in the FA cup but hasn't made a single Championship matchday squad.

[burnley007]

Tonight's the night. Tresor & Edwards to unleash hell.

It's the hope that kills you...

I keep hoping he re-appears on the bench.

[Elizabeth]

Stuck with talking about this player !

[Hendrickxz]

Did you mean sick of talking about him?

[ayrshireclaret83]

It's possible that we have tried to renegotiate the contract but the two parties are unable to agree terms. Could be ******** but I can't find a better explanation why he got on the pitch in the FA cup but hasn't made a single Championship matchday squad.

I’ve been saying this fits perfectly since the fans forum. It must be a weird clause in the contract probably a payment we need to make to him if he appears in the championship and we are probably trying to get out of it. Let’s be honest if that is remotely true whoever agreed to it is an idiot

[aggi]

I think it's quite likely that the issue is contractual, and that it doesn't allow Tresor to play in the Championship.

That sounds a bizarre contract clause, why on earth would that be agreed to? Who benefits?

[Darnhill Claret]

Seeing that so many have a go at this conundrum, I'm going to have a go as well. This is only my opinion/ suggestion based on all the other posts above.

Maybe on relegation Mike decided that his contract was either not clear about his salary reduction and chose to challenge it. Maybe an agent/solicitor advised that the contract said, on playing in the Championship his salary would be reduced/halved. Maybe he was then advised it was only enforceable if he actually played a Championship game, but not if he restricted himself to cup games.

Maybe/maybe not/probably not.

I guess if that is anyway near, then it will be a valuable lesson learned going forward.

[Goliath]

That sounds a bizarre contract clause, why on earth would that be agreed to? Who benefits?

Nobody. I think it wins the award for worst suggestion yet.

[jrgbfc]

A lot we did that summer didn't make much sense. Pace was so in awe of Kompany its not that far fetched that he agreed to a stupid contract clause to try and keep him sweet.

[Rileybobs]

That sounds a bizarre contract clause, why on earth would that be agreed to? Who benefits?

It would serve almost like a relegation release clause in that the club would be encouraged into selling the player as his worth in footballing terms is negligible. Why do you think we loaned Weghorst out when we were relegated from the Premier League, you don’t think it was just a handshake and gentleman’s agreement do you?

[Rileybobs]

Nobody. I think it wins the award for worst suggestion yet.

Perhaps on this thread, but it has nothing on your proposed team for tonight.

[Bosscat]

A lot we did that summer didn't make much sense. Pace was so in awe of Kompany its not that far fetched that he agreed to a stupid contract clause to try and keep him sweet.

We were all in awe of VK after that amazing season ... then VK ripped the heart out of us all with that dismantling of a Championship winning team

[fidelcastro]

It would serve almost like a relegation release clause in that the club would be encouraged into selling the player as his worth in footballing terms is negligible. Why do you think we loaned Weghorst out when we were relegated from the Premier League, you don’t think it was just a handshake and gentleman’s agreement do you?

Tresor must have an extremely bad agent if he still hasn't managed to find a club to take him in two transfer windows!

[Big Vinny K]

It would serve almost like a relegation release clause in that the club would be encouraged into selling the player as his worth in footballing terms is negligible. Why do you think we loaned Weghorst out when we were relegated from the Premier League, you don’t think it was just a handshake and gentleman’s agreement do you?

I thought we loaned Weghorst out because firstly he was on £50k a week and secondly he and his agents made it very clear to the club that he did not want to play in the championship. Not sure that is the same as having a contractual clause which would have been very strange given the point when we signed him and where we sat in the league.

I don’t think Tresor would have such a clause either. That would be such a risky thing for the club to do. We bought him from a league that is arguably weaker than the Championship (certainly is in terms of financial resources) - I don’t think he was in a position to dictate terms like that IMHO.

[Rileybobs]

Tresor must have an extremely bad agent if he still hasn't managed to find a club to take him in two transfer windows!

Well he has been injured/ill which I presume threw a spanner into the works regarding a move in summer.

[fidelcastro]

Well he has been injured/ill which I presume threw a spanner into the works regarding a move in summer.

Has he? Was that ever confirmed?

[Rileybobs]

I thought we loaned Weghorst out because firstly he was on £50k a week and secondly he and his agents made it very clear to the club that he did not want to play in the championship. Not sure that is the same as having a contractual clause which would have been very strange given the point when we signed him and where we sat in the league.

I don’t think Tresor would have such a clause either. That would be such a risky thing for the club to do. We bought him from a league that is arguably weaker than the Championship (certainly is in terms of financial resources) - I don’t think he was in a position to dictate terms like that IMHO.

I don’t think it’s that odd to be honest. If you are Tresor and you agree to join Burnley in a PL relegation battle but do not want to drop down a division and take the associated pay cut that entails, you couldn’t have a clause that said you must be loaned out or bought upon relegation as that involves a third party (ie the loaner or buying club). It would be massively naive to think that the player and club make a verbal agreement - so a clause could be written into the contract stipulating that the player will not play in the Championship. This effectively forces the club to accept a loan or purchase offer.

We know Tresor has been unfit and there have been strong indications that he was unwell, no doubt this has resulted in no acceptable offers being made to the club.

If the above is true, and there’s a good chance it isn’t - but let’s work it through - both parties could renegotiate the contract, but obviously each party will expect to benefit from it, and in the case of Tresor it may be a wage rise that takes him outside of our bracket.

I also don’t think this potential scenario contradicts Pace’s comments.

I don’t mind people scoffing at this suggestion, but surely everybody finds it odd that Tresor was selected for the one and only non-Championship matchday squad this season - made it onto the pitch, and hasn’t even been selected for a single Championship bench. I’m struggling to find a more credible theory.

[Goliath]

Perhaps on this thread, but it has nothing on your proposed team for tonight.

It has about 3 changes from the last game and would win the game comfortably.

[Rileybobs]

Has he? Was that ever confirmed?

I thought there were various Parker comments about him being injured and/or unwell as well as suggestions from some of the more trustworthy posters on here.

[fidelcastro]

I thought there were various Parker comments about him being injured and/or unwell as well as suggestions from some of the more trustworthy posters on here.

Malaria wasn't it? Then toothache, then arseache!

I doubt we'll ever know the full truth. It's also weird how journalists rarely ask the question to Parker too.

[warksclaret]

If he does not play in the near future then there will be zero value, and brave loans by other clubs will be the only options-then you can file under Deli Ali

[Goliath]

Tresor must have an extremely bad agent if he still hasn't managed to find a club to take him in two transfer windows!

It suggests to me that the theory about him not fully recovering from the illness might have some truth. If it was just attitude there'd still be clubs willing to risk it, if he's physically not able to play then they probably won't.

It's all conjecture but this along with his blatant issues with fitness at Reading definitely leans toward this being the most realistic explanation. The lack of reserve team action is the most confusing thing to me, I can only think he refuses to risk himself playing in the reserves.

[aggi]

It would serve almost like a relegation release clause in that the club would be encouraged into selling the player as his worth in footballing terms is negligible. Why do you think we loaned Weghorst out when we were relegated from the Premier League, you don’t think it was just a handshake and gentleman’s agreement do you?

I think Weghorst likely had a clause saying that in the event of relegation if an offer was made from a "top" league (UEFA coefficient often defines these) then acceptance would not be reasonably withheld (possibly with reference to a third party as to assessing what would class as reasonable if agreement couldn't be reached) in order to keep his international career going.

But that's entirely different from a "can't play in the championship" clause (which Weghorst obviously didn't have). Bear in mind as well that we were on the up when we signed Tresor, unlike when we signed Weghorst. We were signing from a position of strength with no need to entertain such comedy clauses.

Asking why Tresor has only played in the FA cup is like asking why Bauress has only played in the FA Cup. It was a chance against lower league opposition to try out a few players. Given his static performance it isn't particularly surprising he hasn't featured since.

[fidelcastro]

It suggests to me that the theory about him not fully recovering from the illness might have some truth. If it was just attitude there'd still be clubs willing to risk it, if he's physically not able to play then they probably won't.

It's all conjecture but this along with his blatant issues with fitness at Reading definitely leans toward this being the most realistic explanation. The lack of reserve team action is the most confusing thing to me, I can only think he refuses to risk himself playing in the reserves.

I tend to agree with you for once. The refusal to play for the development squad had been mentioned a while ago though to be fair.

I just don't get why the club can't/won't clarify the situation once and for all.

[NottsClaret]

I think Rileybobs is closest, not that any of us know. He doesn't want to play in the Championship, we don't want to pay him any contractual bonuses to play in the Championship and nobody else wants to match whatever basic wage he's on.

The most obvious answer is usually the right one and it's almost always down to money. Not as intriguing as some theories but most plausible. All the grave talk of mystery illnesses.. he'd have been right as rain if Ajax had wanted him enough last summer.

[Big Vinny K]

I don’t think it’s that odd to be honest. If you are Tresor and you agree to join Burnley in a PL relegation battle but do not want to drop down a division and take the associated pay cut that entails, you couldn’t have a clause that said you must be loaned out or bought upon relegation as that involves a third party (ie the loaner or buying club). It would be massively naive to think that the player and club make a verbal agreement - so a clause could be written into the contract stipulating that the player will not play in the Championship. This effectively forces the club to accept a loan or purchase offer.

We know Tresor has been unfit and there have been strong indications that he was unwell, no doubt this has resulted in no acceptable offers being made to the club.

If the above is true, and there’s a good chance it isn’t - but let’s work it through - both parties could renegotiate the contract, but obviously each party will expect to benefit from it, and in the case of Tresor it may be a wage rise that takes him outside of our bracket.

I also don’t think this potential scenario contradicts Pace’s comments.

I don’t mind people scoffing at this suggestion, but surely everybody finds it odd that Tresor was selected for the one and only non-Championship matchday squad this season - made it onto the pitch, and hasn’t even been selected for a single Championship bench. I’m struggling to find a more credible theory.

We’ll have to agree to disagree then as I think it would be very odd for the club to include a clause in the contract like this.

As for credible theories I think it’s perfectly reasonable to think that given the illness he had that he has never recovered to the fitness levels required to play at championship level.

[blake's wand]

It could also be that he simply hasn't got back to required standard/fitness needed to play for the first team. Also if there have been any attitude problems, it doesn't set a great example if he is takes bench spots instead of others.

[RVclaret]

It could also be that he simply hasn't got back to required standard/fitness needed to play for the first team. Also if there have been any attitude problems, it doesn't set a great example if he is takes bench spots instead of others.

Pretty sure this is it.

[JarrowClaret]

I don’t think it’s that odd to be honest. If you are Tresor and you agree to join Burnley in a PL relegation battle but do not want to drop down a division and take the associated pay cut that entails, you couldn’t have a clause that said you must be loaned out or bought upon relegation as that involves a third party (ie the loaner or buying club). It would be massively naive to think that the player and club make a verbal agreement - so a clause could be written into the contract stipulating that the player will not play in the Championship. This effectively forces the club to accept a loan or purchase offer.

We know Tresor has been unfit and there have been strong indications that he was unwell, no doubt this has resulted in no acceptable offers being made to the club.

If the above is true, and there’s a good chance it isn’t - but let’s work it through - both parties could renegotiate the contract, but obviously each party will expect to benefit from it, and in the case of Tresor it may be a wage rise that takes him outside of our bracket.

I also don’t think this potential scenario contradicts Pace’s comments.

I don’t mind people scoffing at this suggestion, but surely everybody finds it odd that Tresor was selected for the one and only non-Championship matchday squad this season - made it onto the pitch, and hasn’t even been selected for a single Championship bench. I’m struggling to find a more credible theory.

Where I am struggling with this is we included him in a Squad for the Championship? I don’t know the rules so could very well be wrong, but I was under the impression we submit a 25 man squad for the league games when it comes to cup games we can go with who we like as long as they are in our books.

[Lisbonclaret]

Fake news

Grow up!

[Selby Claret]

Why hasn't Ash pinned him up against a wall yet at Barnsdale and told him what a f*cking privilege it is to be part of this football club and to start repaying the faith - or should I cash - that the club have put in him

He'd have been sacked from any normal job - i don't care how ill he's been - he's not a team player - he's not Burnley - and until that changes i don't want him anywhere near the pitch or bench 'representing' our club and our town - would much rather Bauress or McDermott were given a spot

Biggest waste of space in my 40 years of supporting - and there's some good names on that list that he's competing with

[Goliath]

We’ll have to agree to disagree then as I think it would be very odd for the club to include a clause in the contract like this.

As for credible theories I think it’s perfectly reasonable to think that given the illness he had that he has never recovered to the fitness levels required to play at championship level.

Is it even legal to have a contract that stops you playing in the league youre in. If that was the case I'm fairly sure there'd have been a bunch of court cases at some point for restriction of trade. Imagine bein tied down to a 4 year deal for a club you cant legally play for, it makes no sense at all. I've never heard of such a clause.

Also he'd have to have the Dr Nick of football agents to agree to a clause that ridiculous. What if he had a serious injury so couldn't pass a medical to leave or the manager left and the new manager didn't fancy him. (It was obvious Kompany wouldn't be here long term so this was clearly possibility). I've not even mentioned that statistically we had a good chance of being relegated at the start of the season, so to then sign a loan to permanent before the season with that clause in place would be the work of a madman.

It's more likely that there could be an issue over us not putting a relegation clause in his deal because of the structure of the initial.loan but even that seems unlikely.

[boatshed bill]

We’ll have to agree to disagree then as I think it would be very odd for the club to include a clause in the contract like this.

As for credible theories I think it’s perfectly reasonable to think that given the illness he had that he has never recovered to the fitness levels required to play at championship level.

Very likely. It looked like he struggled with stamina in his short appearance.

[KRBFC]

It suggests to me that the theory about him not fully recovering from the illness might have some truth. If it was just attitude there'd still be clubs willing to risk it, if he's physically not able to play then they probably won't.

It's all conjecture but this along with his blatant issues with fitness at Reading definitely leans toward this being the most realistic explanation. The lack of reserve team action is the most confusing thing to me, I can only think he refuses to risk himself playing in the reserves.

Then why did clubs want him in the summer? If he was unfit and unable to play until January, not sure that makes much sense.

[boatshed bill]

Then why did clubs want him in the summer? If he was unfit and unable to play until January, not sure that makes much sense.

Which clubs wanted him?
And did he have medicals, or were these clubs just making tentative enquiries?

[KRBFC]

Which clubs wanted him?
And did he have medicals, or were these clubs just making tentative enquiries?

Ajax and Nice were two of them

[boatshed bill]

Ajax and Nice were two of them

Do you know why these enquiries led to nothing?

[Grimsdale]

Ajax and Nice were two of them

Maybe in the summer the thinking as that he was just about over his illness. It has since transpired that he hasn't.

Why haven't Ajax and Nice come back in for him this time round, even with a cheeky lowball offer seeing as he hasn't played all season?

[fidelcastro]

Why haven't Ajax and Nice come back in for him this time round, even with a cheeky lowball offer seeing as he hasn't played all season?

I think you may have answered your own question.

[bfcmik]

Why haven't Ajax and Nice come back in for him this time round, even with a cheeky lowball offer seeing as he hasn't played all season?

They couldn't get any more lowball than their offers in the summer, which were, allegedly, no loan fee and us picking up his wages.

[clarets1978]

He'd have been sacked from any normal job - i don't care how ill he's been -

Ooof. That'd cost some in court. Good to see you showing some compassion there when you really don't know what he's been through with his illness. I'm glad you aren't my employer!

[Selby Claret]

Ooof. That'd cost some in court. Good to see you showing some compassion there when you really don't know what he's been through with his illness. I'm glad you aren't my employer!

Maybe i should have added more context to that bit sorry!
What i see historically from other players is that, when injured / unavailable, they are still as central to the business as they are able - active on social media / present at games / in the dressing room / being interviewed - involved in the community elements of the club / hospital visits etc
Unless bedridden (which I concede we don't know) I still don't feel he has contributed sufficiently as an employee (save a photo is a posh black polo) - his only social media post of note was him uploading a crying video when a supposed summer move fell through at the last minute
He could have done / be doing more in my humble opinion

[clarets1978]

Maybe i should have added more context to that bit sorry!
What i see historically from other players is that, when injured / unavailable, they are still as central to the business as they are able - active on social media / present at games / in the dressing room / being interviewed - involved in the community elements of the club / hospital visits etc
Unless bedridden (which I concede we don't know) I still don't feel he has contributed sufficiently as an employee (save a photo is a posh black polo) - his only social media post of note was him uploading a crying video when a supposed summer move fell through at the last minute
He could have done / be doing more in my humble opinion

Well I have heard a story (I know everyone says that ) from someone who is very reliable that it was quite serious with another illness post malaria (presuming it was Malaria) so it would have been difficult to do any of that you state above at that point. I would expect any employer to give the support that individual needed, regardless of what we as fans think we know or dont know. I think CT had the same information as me before Christmas judging by his post on the previous Tresor thread. The fact he was struggling for fitness so quickly at Reading would also back that.

[Raconteur]

Maybe i should have added more context to that bit sorry!
What i see historically from other players is that, when injured / unavailable, they are still as central to the business as they are able - active on social media / present at games / in the dressing room / being interviewed - involved in the community elements of the club / hospital visits etc
Unless bedridden (which I concede we don't know) I still don't feel he has contributed sufficiently as an employee (save a photo is a posh black polo) - his only social media post of note was him uploading a crying video when a supposed summer move fell through at the last minute
He could have done / be doing more in my humble opinion

Being a footballer does not stipulate that you have to post on social media. If anything, they are advised not to.

Also Tresor has been seen on numerous club activities like the Xmas hospital visit.

Just imagine, being sacked from a job for not posting on social media while being sick.

[CoolClaret]

Maybe i should have added more context to that bit sorry!
What i see historically from other players is that, when injured / unavailable, they are still as central to the business as they are able - active on social media / present at games / in the dressing room / being interviewed - involved in the community elements of the club / hospital visits etc
Unless bedridden (which I concede we don't know) I still don't feel he has contributed sufficiently as an employee (save a photo is a posh black polo) - his only social media post of note was him uploading a crying video when a supposed summer move fell through at the last minute
He could have done / be doing more in my humble opinion

Jesus wept.

How dare a player not... Use social media? FFS!

[Selby Claret]

Jesus wept.

How dare a player not... Use social media? FFS!

Putting words in my mouth - i said the only social of note he did put out was detrimental and did not put him in a great light - whether you agree or not there's an expectation from a club / employer that its players / employees conduct themselves appropriately - he was using social media - for his own benefit only

I've amended the above in the hope of clarity:

What i see historically from other players is that, when injured / unavailable, they are still as central to the business as they are able - POSITIVELY active on social media / present at games / in the dressing room / being interviewed - involved in the community elements of the club / hospital visits etc
Unless bedridden (which I concede we don't know) I still don't feel he has contributed POSITIVELY as an employee (save a photo is a posh black polo) - his only social media post of note was him uploading a crying video when a supposed summer move fell through at the last minute
He could have done / be doing more in my humble opinion

[Enola Gay]

Maybe i should have added more context to that bit sorry!
What i see historically from other players is that, when injured / unavailable, they are still as central to the business as they are able - active on social media / present at games / in the dressing room / being interviewed - involved in the community elements of the club / hospital visits etc
Unless bedridden (which I concede we don't know) I still don't feel he has contributed sufficiently as an employee (save a photo is a posh black polo) - his only social media post of note was him uploading a crying video when a supposed summer move fell through at the last minute
He could have done / be doing more in my humble opinion

I’ve read some cobblers in my time on here but I don’t think anything’s topping that.

[Guller Bull]

I’ve read some cobblers in my time on here but I don’t think anything’s topping that.

I think the sentiment is pretty bang on myself.
The problems is that the whole thing is shrouded in mystery with the neither player/manager/club/media department saying anything that gives any indication or hope of what we can expect from our most expensive player in terms of commitment to the club.
When Lyle was going through some Mental Health difficulties we were able to get behind him and wish him good things.
But this prolonged silence - apart from a few "he's on the grass" statements. Dress it up any way you like but it's a head scratcher?

[Pearcey]

Nearly 500 posts now, incredible! I just don’t count him as a member of the squad now so he doesn’t enter my thoughts. Massive mistake of a signing and I’m sure he’ll be long forgotten after the next window.

[BleedingClaret]

Nearly 500 posts now, incredible! I just don’t count him as a member of the squad now so he doesn’t enter my thoughts. Massive mistake of a signing and I’m sure he’ll be long forgotten after the next window.

His legacy will last on one side of the Balance Sheet for sometime I think..