Tresor

[Hedontplayforyou]

Correct

Thanks

[jrgbfc]

Doubt he’ll be on anywhere near £20k.

Sources differ on his salary. Spotrac has him down as $520k per annum, for example. Not sure if the $ vs £ is relevant. The discrepancy could be that he was on £20k in the premier league and £10k now. That might make sense.

He was reported to be on €90k per year at Genk so I would be shocked if we’d agreed to pay him £2m a year in the premier league. This is one of the big advantages of European talent - their wages are much lower in comparison.

Ditto I’d be surprised if all of the fee was guaranteed and not heavily performance-related. Gibson was the same. Fee was £15m but widely reported we only paid £8m because he never played.

He’s costing a lot whatever, just doubt it will be as bad as this.

Even if they were that high though, the club have to pay injured players like Beyer, Ramsey and Redmond while out injured. And in the past they’ve picked up much bigger salaries from the likes of Long and Lowton, or even Cork, Barnes and Jay, when they’ve been out of favour and not playing. I know they are very different circumstances, but take the emotion out of it and it’s the same outcome - just a cost of running a football club.

Not a chance he was "only" on 20k when he first came, VK was clearly desperate to have him at all costs and he was a big money signing. Its a shame we can't send him the bill.

[JR1882]

We aren’t entitled to know what any issues may be however the club could say “Mike is unavailable for the rest of this season due to an injury/illness/medical reason, the club will make no further comment at this time”. That wouldn’t breach any confidentiality.

Similarly with Lyle we weren’t made aware early on what his issues were.

The fact this isn’t being hinted at says either
- he is refusing to play
- he isn’t upto it
- we owe a lump of money if he plays another few league games and we don’t wish to do that (explains the cup appearance).

I’m staggered he hasn’t gone out on loan which makes me lean towards him refusing to play in the championship so Alan is digging his heels in and refusing to let him go anywhere.

Either way, all this conjecture will continue until the club says something more, or he is sold.

[fatboy47]

If Tresor was draining anything like the amounts quoted here out of the club then surely the club would have made some more rigorous attempts to get him out of the door.

I doubt the damage is anything close to what's been suggested.

[NewClaret]

Not a chance he was "only" on 20k when he first came, VK was clearly desperate to have him at all costs and he was a big money signing. Its a shame we can't send him the bill.

He was apparently on €90k a year at Genk though. 12x-ing your salary isn’t bad going!

European players earn so much less, but by way of example Maatsen and Tella were only on £10k per week in the championship season.

And yes it is. Although the missed flight should’ve been all we needed to pull out of the deal.

[Grimsdale]

I’m staggered he hasn’t gone out on loan which makes me lean towards him refusing to play in the championship so Alan is digging his heels in and refusing to let him go anywhere.

The fact that we haven't had one single offer (or even any rumoured interest) for him this transfer window surely suggests he's not fit to play. If he wanted out, his agent would have been trying to generate as much interest as possible and that's clearly not been the case.

[123EasyasBFC]

Multiple reports of him turning up late to training? Calling In sick?

who reported that? can you send the news article.

He doesn’t want to be here and is refusing to play so why did he happily play with a second string side away at Reading? That doesn’t support your theory.

Multiple reports around the ground, should I say multiple people talking around the ground, there’s no smoke without fire, he doesn’t want to be at the club simple as

[fidelcastro]

Multiple reports around the ground, should I say multiple people talking around the ground, there’s no smoke without fire, he doesn’t want to be at the club simple as

That seals it then.

[RVclaret]

Multiple reports around the ground, should I say multiple people talking around the ground, there’s no smoke without fire, he doesn’t want to be at the club simple as

Why not push for a move in January? Why no noise from his agent at all? If it’s as clear cut as you make out, like when Weghorst pushed for his move (twice), it was everywhere - yet absolutely nothing in this case. Doesn’t make sense.

[123EasyasBFC]

That seals it then.

Nobody has to believe anything,

The facts are, nice and Ajax wanted him in the summer after him being unwell, so he would of been fit enough for a move. Parker then says in September he’s back in training and selectable and then suddenly Parker says he’s got an illness and then says he’s got a dead leg. Alan pace also said he would like him to play but doesn’t know if he will.

This isn’t aimed at you in particular but it would be nice if the same people who seem to think Tresor can do no wrong actually supposed the players who are actually playing

[123EasyasBFC]

Why not push for a move in January? Why no noise from his agent at all? If it’s as clear cut as you make out, like when Weghorst pushed for his move (twice), it was everywhere - yet absolutely nothing in this case. Doesn’t make sense.

Game of chess isn’t it, Matt Williams said in the QandA that the club had told Tresor they want to see some value for the money they paid for him, but if he’s claiming sickness and injury then there’s nothing the club can do, if he’s meeting his contract obligations by attending club events and going to training when fit, if he calls in sick nothing the club can do

[CoolClaret]

Football contracts have become pretty complex nowadays (to put it lightly!). While I don't know the specifics of Tresor's deal, clubs typically have insurance policies covering both injuries and medical conditions, so I think the club will likely have been able to make a claim, given his health issues.

[TheFamilyCat]

Football contracts have become pretty complex nowadays (to put it lightly!). While I don't know the specifics of Tresor's deal, clubs typically have insurance policies covering both injuries and medical conditions, so I think the club will likely have been able to make a claim, given his health issues.

We'll have lost our no-claims bonus though.

[NewClaret]

Game of chess isn’t it, Matt Williams said in the QandA that the club had told Tresor they want to see some value for the money they paid for him, but if he’s claiming sickness and injury then there’s nothing the club can do, if he’s meeting his contract obligations by attending club events and going to training when fit, if he calls in sick nothing the club can do

That’ll be exactly the position, I expect. Happy that Parker has put it to bed for a while. I just wished he’d said we won’t see him this season.

I get the impression he’s trying to force a move, but at the moment I think all he’s doing is ruining his own career.

I think the club are handling it pretty well really. There’s not many academy or first team players that can be watching this saga play out and thinking Burnley are a club that can be taken for a ride. That’s at least one positive for me in this situation.

[NewClaret]

Why not push for a move in January? Why no noise from his agent at all? If it’s as clear cut as you make out, like when Weghorst pushed for his move (twice), it was everywhere - yet absolutely nothing in this case. Doesn’t make sense.

This is very true, there’s a lot about it that doesn’t make sense, including two failed loan offers in summer (maybe they were cheeky bids we didn’t accept) or the complete lack of interest in January.

I hate to speculate about players but since we have so few facts it’s inevitable we will and the only things that makes sense to me is that he’s got similar issues to Lyle and just isn’t motivated to play any more (maybe for us or anyone) or he just wants out but nobody wants him.

I suppose he could’ve been disastrously unlucky and all these illnesses and injuries are true but that seems less likely.

I’ve given up caring. Let’s just focus on the players we’ve got fit and wanting to play.

[123EasyasBFC]

That’ll be exactly the position, I expect. Happy that Parker has put it to bed for a while. I just wished he’d said we won’t see him this season.

I get the impression he’s trying to force a move, but at the moment I think all he’s doing is ruining his own career.

I think the club are handling it pretty well really. There’s not many academy or first team players that can be watching this saga play out and thinking Burnley are a club that can be taken for a ride. That’s at least one positive for me in this situation.

Marcus Edwards coming to play for us in the championship has also helped the clubs stance, nobody is bigger or better than the division they are in until they have proven it

[Jakubclaret]

It's like going into your regular supermarket and demanding to know why Sally on the checkout hasn't been at work for a couple of months.

If Sally worked at tesco's & wanted to go to Sainsburys for better money & suddenly she was poorly away from the checkout & the store manager said Sally was fine to work at the checkouts but was nowhere to be seen in a operational sense. it could perhaps leave some customers confused about Sally.

[elwaclaret]

A former brother in law of mine suffered from malaria while in India, he suffered relapses of varying degrees for several years afterwards and he was not having to be as fit as a professional sportsman. Burnley will be insured and the club are naturally protecting their employee. This constant speculation and basing assumptions based on zero evidence does no one any favours.

We are Burnley fans, not his employers; let his employers deal with it and give him some peace. I hope he can overcome his issues and remembers how those that mattered at the club looked after him, and that I get to see a good player in claret and blue when the time is right. Everything else related to this is just hot air…

[The Shire Claret]

If Sally worked at tesco's & wanted to go to Sainsburys for better money & suddenly she was poorly away from the checkout & the store manager said Sally was fine to work at the checkouts but was nowhere to be seen in a operational sense. it could perhaps leave some customers confused about Sally.

Or Sally is really ill

Get well soon Sally

[Jakubclaret]

Or Sally is really ill

Get well soon Sally

Coinciding with the store manager saying different & also remembering Sally's determination to join Sainsbury's. Yes Sally is ill

[The Shire Claret]

Coinciding with the store manager saying different & also remembering Sally's determination to join Sainsbury's. Yes Sally is ill

Store manager might be playing the game that needs to be played at that time for the betterment of Tesco

Customers need to stop interfering with the personal lives of staff and buy their bog roll and tiger bread and get on with their lives

[Jakubclaret]

Store manager might be playing the game that needs to be played at that time for the betterment of Tesco

Customers need to stop interfering with the personal lives of staff and buy their bog roll and tiger bread and get on with their lives

People who devoutly follow a certain religion don't tend to lie you could almost criticise them for being too honest.

[ClaretPete001]

Where is this statement and what did it say?

He said it at the fans forum and shown on Youtube and corroborated by people who attended the event and spoke to him at the event.

I can only paraphrase you'll have to watch it and make your own judgement. I think it was quite clear and although it might not be true the owner of the club gave his version of events in a public form.

My only caveat is that he has said things before at a fans forum that seemed hardly plausible....

[Goliath]

Firstly, unless you've seen his contract, you haven't a clue what money he's on.

Secondly, you can only have this opinion that he's one of the most creative players in the league from his time in Belgium because it sure as hell can't be from what we saw last season! I'm not sure what relevance the Belgian league has to the vastly different English second tier.

Lastly, where does this pay rise come from?! Unless you mean a new contract?!

Blimey, at this rate we'll be stuck with him until he retires... Although some might say he already has!

I didn't claim to know what money he's on, I was responding to a previous post stating he was on 10k a week.
I also stated that if this is true, the theory that he's refusing to play for that reason makes 0 sense as he would have been able to earn a pay rise pretty quickly by playing. If only to protect our investment and keep him happy, or so we could also add a new release clause etc.

I don't think this is the outlandish opinion you're trying to make it out to be which I've noticed is quite a common theme on here.

[Goliath]

Nobody has to believe anything,

The facts are, nice and Ajax wanted him in the summer after him being unwell, so he would of been fit enough for a move. Parker then says in September he’s back in training and selectable and then suddenly Parker says he’s got an illness and then says he’s got a dead leg. Alan pace also said he would like him to play but doesn’t know if he will.

This isn’t aimed at you in particular but it would be nice if the same people who seem to think Tresor can do no wrong actually supposed the players who are actually playing

It's strange that they can't just say he has had a serious illness that there's been complications with in the recovery, without having to go into specifics. I'm actually starting to think the refusing to play thing seems less likely the longer this goes on, he'd be basically destroying some of the best years of his career if that was the case.
Having seen the lack of fitness he had at Reading, it has to be do with his recovery. If that's the level he's got to after 3 or 4 months training in terms of baseline stamina I would worry for his career to be honest.

[ClaretPete001]

Football contracts have become pretty complex nowadays (to put it lightly!). While I don't know the specifics of Tresor's deal, clubs typically have insurance policies covering both injuries and medical conditions, so I think the club will likely have been able to make a claim, given his health issues.

Alan Pace 'He is training and he is fully fit'. Not sure why we persist with this...! The club has spoken, his employer has spoken and that's that - nothing more to say.

[Vegas Claret]

Given the way he looked at times, hands on knees and apparently gasping for breath, I would say it enhances the theory.

that sir is very true

[JohnMcGreal]

If Tresor was draining anything like the amounts quoted here out of the club then surely the club would have made some more rigorous attempts to get him out of the door.

I doubt the damage is anything close to what's been suggested.

If reports are correct we've paid (or have committed to pay) Genk €18 million for him.

Even if he's only on £500 a week it doesn't change the fact that we've blown a significant amount of money on him, and the financial damage has already been done.

[Stevie Morgan]

Alan Pace 'He is training and he is fully fit'. Not sure why we persist with this...! The club has spoken, his employer has spoken and that's that - nothing more to say.

Because he's quite patently not fully fit?

[claretonthecoast1882]

It's everybody's business to a certain degree the people that contribute to his wage. If I ring work up sick the first thing they ask me - what is wrong with you? I don't think the reply that it's none of their business would go down too well. If it's personal just say so be candid about it.

Dumb analogy.

His employer will know why he is unavailable, just like yours would when you informed them.

It doesn't mean you have to inform everyone else.

[123EasyasBFC]

It's strange that they can't just say he has had a serious illness that there's been complications with in the recovery, without having to go into specifics. I'm actually starting to think the refusing to play thing seems less likely the longer this goes on, he'd be basically destroying some of the best years of his career if that was the case.
Having seen the lack of fitness he had at Reading, it has to be do with his recovery. If that's the level he's got to after 3 or 4 months training in terms of baseline stamina I would worry for his career to be honest.

Parker would just say he still needs work on the grass and isn’t at the fitness levels yet rather than saying he was selectable and saying he didn’t know if Tresor would still be at the club or not, why would there be doubt if a player would still be at the club if they weren’t fit enough to play

[clarets1978]

Multiple reports around the ground, should I say multiple people talking around the ground, there’s no smoke without fire, he doesn’t want to be at the club simple as

If you're getting those multiple reports from around the ground, then you must be aware of what happened to him around September time??

[mdd2]

Our recent managers have had their very bad signings where things went wrong where the signings didn’t work out due to player- manager interactions or just player was truly awful
Not sure of all the managers and players but here goes
Owen Coyle - Van Der Schaff
Brian Laws not sure
Eddie Howe ? Richards and Treacy
Dyche Gibson
VK Tresor

[123EasyasBFC]

If you're getting those multiple reports from around the ground, then you must be aware of what happened to him around September time??

I’m literally only going off what people have been discussing that from September he was fit and training when he arrived on time to training and had been calling in sick. Also Alans fan forum alluded to him being fit back.

Only the same as big Gaz saying he had heard we had held talks with Nathan tella and that we had a left back in the building on deadline day

By all means share what you know to of happened to him in September.

I’ll also ask, do you think Tresor wants to be a Burnley player?

[burnley007]

If Tresor was playing every week, what the hell would we have to talk about on here?

[123EasyasBFC]

If Tresor was playing every week, what the hell would we have to talk about on here?

I’m sure you’d find a way to create another thread about Scott Parker

[KRBFC]

I’m literally only going off what people have been discussing that from September he was fit and training when he arrived on time to training and had been calling in sick. Also Alans fan forum alluded to him being fit back.

Only the same as big Gaz saying he had heard we had held talks with Nathan tella and that we had a left back in the building on deadline day

By all means share what you know to of happened to him in September.

I’ll also ask, do you think Tresor wants to be a Burnley player?

By saying it was reported and taking it as fact then quoting “well I heard it at the ground” makes you sound incredibly gullible.

You made the Tresor situation sound straight forward like we should all just accept whatever some random poster on here has said.

[NewClaret]

If reports are correct we've paid (or have committed to pay) Genk €18 million for him.

Even if he's only on £500 a week it doesn't change the fact that we've blown a significant amount of money on him, and the financial damage has already been done.

I would say it’s very unlikely that we’ve agreed to pay that sum unconditionally.

It’s highly likely to be dependent on success and the actual unconditional element will be much lower.

And if it isn’t we’re really, really stupid.

[Walton]

Our recent managers have had their very bad signings where things went wrong where the signings didn’t work out due to player- manager interactions or just player was truly awful
Not sure of all the managers and players but here goes
Owen Coyle - Van Der Schaff
Brian Laws not sure
Eddie Howe ? Richards and Treacy
Dyche Gibson
VK Tresor

Laws spent £1.5m on Leon Cort and gave him a 3 year contract

[Jakubclaret]

Dumb analogy.

His employer will know why he is unavailable, just like yours would when you informed them.

It doesn't mean you have to inform everyone else.

You don't have to delve deeply into people's personal medical records I'm not endorsing that. I'm not interested if people have suffered veruccas or ingrowing toenails etc in the past or anything intrusive. We got informed that Lyle foster was undergoing mental health problems once upon a time & that was that it wasn't necessary to know the exact in & outs from the moment he was born. Running true to form some members of the forum have taken it upon themselves to jump to the rash conclusion that it's a suggested requirement that we know this information when the simple prior suggestion was to know the exact truth laid bare.

[NewClaret]

It's strange that they can't just say he has had a serious illness that there's been complications with in the recovery, without having to go into specifics. I'm actually starting to think the refusing to play thing seems less likely the longer this goes on, he'd be basically destroying some of the best years of his career if that was the case.
Having seen the lack of fitness he had at Reading, it has to be do with his recovery. If that's the level he's got to after 3 or 4 months training in terms of baseline stamina I would worry for his career to be honest.

As you say, the theories the club are protecting the player just don’t stack up. Nor do the arguments that this is a reoccurrence of an injury.

Alan Pace literally said he was fit to play and available for selection recently, alluded that the issue was that he didn’t want to play, and then said as much to a fan after.

Parker is being deliberately elusive about it, but if it were an illness reoccurrence surely he’d just say? It’s not like anyone is asking the club to publish his medical records on the website. A bit of information could turn fan unrest to fan sympathy and support.

The continuation of a saga around a player cannot be in their best interests if they are indeed ill. He’s getting dogs abuse off fans and a comeback becomes harder and harder.

I personally thought he just looked like he couldn’t be bothered running against Reading, like he was proving a point, but if that was actually a fitness issue you’re right - it’s very worrying for him that he can be in training for 4 months and struggle to play a few minutes on a football pitch.

All that said, if it were just that he wanted out, I’d have expected his agent to be touting him everywhere and finding some takers abroad (he’s clearly a very talented player). Which would suggest he does have something going on, mental or physical.

Absolutely bizarre.

[Claretnick]

As you say, the theories the club are protecting the player just don’t stack up. Nor do the arguments that this is a reoccurrence of an injury.

Alan Pace literally said he was fit to play and available for selection recently, alluded that the issue was that he didn’t want to play, and then said as much to a fan after.

Parker is being deliberately elusive about it, but if it were an illness reoccurrence surely he’d just say? It’s not like anyone is asking the club to publish his medical records on the website. A bit of information could turn fan unrest to fan sympathy and support.

In a nutshell Pace should have kept quiet. His opinion of the footballing side of the business should have been kept private and to be honest his thoughts and opinions should be directed towards the admin of the business such as the ticket office and match day inefficiencies.
Parker on the other hand has the rest of the group to manage and perhaps he needs them to be confident that their personal matters are not divulged to all and sundry.

Tresor is not available, can we not just leave it at that?

[Goliath]

As you say, the theories the club are protecting the player just don’t stack up. Nor do the arguments that this is a reoccurrence of an injury.

Alan Pace literally said he was fit to play and available for selection recently, alluded that the issue was that he didn’t want to play, and then said as much to a fan after.

Parker is being deliberately elusive about it, but if it were an illness reoccurrence surely he’d just say? It’s not like anyone is asking the club to publish his medical records on the website. A bit of information could turn fan unrest to fan sympathy and support.

The continuation of a saga around a player cannot be in their best interests if they are indeed ill. He’s getting dogs abuse off fans and a comeback becomes harder and harder.

I personally thought he just looked like he couldn’t be bothered running against Reading, like he was proving a point, but if that was actually a fitness issue you’re right - it’s very worrying for him that he can be in training for 4 months and struggle to play a few minutes on a football pitch.

All that said, if it were just that he wanted out, I’d have expected his agent to be touting him everywhere and finding some takers abroad (he’s clearly a very talented player). Which would suggest he does have something going on, mental or physical.

Absolutely bizarre.

Yep, the lack of planted media stories through his agent in Jan was actually a bit strange, there were a few mentions about Leeds etc but nothing major. Another strange twist to the story really.

If he was demanding to leave and we were refusing to let him go and making him rot, then I'm fairly sure we would have heard about it in the media. He wouldn't just accept it.

It's possible that he may just no longer have the physical capabilities to be a professional footballer. But the reason we are having these conversations and different theories are being put forward is solely due to the lack of communication from the club. I think it's **** poor and have done for a few months.

[Raconteur]

Only the same as big Gaz saying he had heard we had held talks with Nathan tella and that we had a left back in the building on deadline day

Bringing Big Gaz into it.

Get a grip!

[RMutt]

All this supermarket checkout girl analogy nonsense and comparing this situation to a normal working environment is a bit daft really. Knowing about footballers injuries has been going on pretty much since the game was invented. Clubs themselves regularly give out updates on their players. We all know about the Man U defender’s cruciate injury.
Fans are obviously interested in all aspects of player selection and if clubs don’t give at least some indication as to what is wrong with a player, then some, as others have said, will fill the vacuum with speculation.
It’s impossible to compare football to any other type of business that exists.

[NewClaret]

Yep, the lack of planted media stories through his agent in Jan was actually a bit strange, there were a few mentions about Leeds etc but nothing major. Another strange twist to the story really.

If he was demanding to leave and we were refusing to let him go and making him rot, then I'm fairly sure we would have heard about it in the media. He wouldn't just accept it.

It's possible that he may just no longer have the physical capabilities to be a professional footballer. But the reason we are having these conversations and different theories are being put forward is solely due to the lack of communication from the club. I think it's **** poor and have done for a few months.

He had very tentative links to Genoa, Leeds and Las Palmas, but they were so weak it’s had to imagine they had any substance. All I can deduce is that either nobody is interested after such a long time out, that they were but the club are simply were not willing to let him go on loan cheaply (correctly in my opinion) or the rumours about his fitness are true.

The longer it goes on the more you have to assume your theory is correct; he’s either physically or mentally incapable of being a professional footballer anymore.

I’m not really that bothered. I literally couldn’t care less about it. As posted above, most managers make bad signings and there’s not really a club in the world that gives detail on their disputes or difficulties with players. For good reason. Just one the fans have to accept and forget about really.

[BigGaz]

I’m literally only going off what people have been discussing that from September he was fit and training when he arrived on time to training and had been calling in sick. Also Alans fan forum alluded to him being fit back.

Only the same as big Gaz saying he had heard we had held talks with Nathan tella and that we had a left back in the building on deadline day

By all means share what you know to of happened to him in September.

I’ll also ask, do you think Tresor wants to be a Burnley player?

You again.

You seem to have a massive problem with conjuring up a completely different meaning to what is actually being said. You need to put some practice into your reading comprehension skills.

What I said is that there are two separate conversations in relation to Tella. The first, that we had and continued to ask about Tella's availability. That is barely even 'itk' knowledge it's about the worst kept secret that we have and even one of signing announcement videos was clearly made with him in mind. The second one is whether it was a goer and I said I wasn't privy to that.

We did have a left back in the building, we didn't sign him.

This is literally nothing alike, 'get a grip' is spot on.

[AfloatinClaret]

Dumb analogy.

His employer will know why he is unavailable, just like yours would when you informed them.

It doesn't mean you have to inform everyone else.

What, not even informing the special fans like Jakub & 123Easy; do you not realise how impotent they are?

[NewClaret]

In a nutshell Pace should have kept quiet. His opinion of the footballing side of the business should have been kept private and to be honest his thoughts and opinions should be directed towards the admin of the business such as the ticket office and match day inefficiencies.
Parker on the other hand has the rest of the group to manage and perhaps he needs them to be confident that their personal matters are not divulged to all and sundry.

Tresor is not available, can we not just leave it at that?

Can you imagine the uproar on here if he’d no commented that question

I can hear it now… “what’s the point of a fan forum if Pace is isn’t going to answer the questions”, “what a joke this guy is”, “not answering a fans question is disrespectful”. Blah blah blah.

He was in a tough position but I tend to agree that what he said was probably unhelpful. The club would’ve been better saying beforehand and off camera to the audience that it was a sensitive situation they’re dealing with internally and out of respect for everyone involved they’d request no questions on it.

For what it’s worth, there’s rumours media questioning on this topic is banned and I actually think that’s sensible because there’s not a lot more they can say. We as a fan base don’t need to keep drawing the saga out every week.

I’m sure the club have many different professionals working on the situation and advising them.

I agree fans should just accept he’s not fit to play and focus on supporting the lads who are. And are giving their all for the cause in my opinion (0-0 draws are boring but the whole team are fulfilling the “maximum effort is the minimum requirement” expectation). Given his work rate at Reading I’m not sure I’d want him in the team even if he were “fit”.

[burnley007]

I’m sure you’d find a way to create another thread about Scott Parker

I'm sure you'd still find a place to start an argument.