Brownhill - In or Out vs the Owls

[dsr]

Brownhill nowhere near good enough apart from being a good guy,and I’m sure if Parker and Pace had rated so high they’d have given him a new contract by now.

He's played 113 games in the PL, so of course he's somewhere near good enough.

Could you please update me on the contract negotiations and what (if anything) he has been offered and what he is asking for? I don't have your inside information.

[Stonehouse]

He's played 113 games in the PL, so of course he's somewhere near good enough.

Could you please update me on the contract negotiations and what (if anything) he has been offered and what he is asking for? I don't have your inside information.

Sorry it’s on a need to know basis ,but he won’t be here next season that’s a given and I’ll give a £25 donation to Barry Kilby’s prostate charity if he is.

[Goliath]

This. The amount of times CJ or Steve give him the ball with time and space and he gives it them straight back

His lack of awareness of what's around him In those situations is staggering. I Spotted it early on his debut v Blackburn but nothing I've seen has changed my mind. He hates getting the ball off off the centre backs because he doesn't have the awareness and touch to be comfortable and not risk losing it, so he tends to hide at those moments and leave it to Cullen.

The stats suggest the same, he takes much fewer touches per 90 than Cullen and makes a lot fewer passes too.

[ClaretLoup]

Sorry it’s on a need to know basis ,but he won’t be here next season that’s a given and I’ll give a £25 donation to Barry Kilby’s prostate charity if he is.

Do you think this has affected his commitment? I was hoping he might turn the game for us on Saturday but although It’s only an impression, I thought that he did the minimal required on Saturday, although maybe he was just easing himself back in following an injury.

[Stonehouse]

Do you think this has affected his commitment? I was hoping he might turn the game for us on Saturday but although It’s only an impression, I thought that he did the minimal required on Saturday, although maybe he was just easing himself back in following an injury.

Like I previously said Hannibal although coming from a once big club Man U shows far more commitment to the cause than Brownhill ,and his footballing ability is way above Brownies.Dont get me wrong a really like Brownhill but I think he’s only an average Championship player ,and at the risk at being shot down I’d be interested to know how many times whilst being at Burnley has he been voted MOM.

[bobinho]

I feel the substitution at the weekend was about getting him back in the starting line up than a tactical one.

He’ll start, but I don’t think he should.

I like him, he mostly does a good job, but we’ve looked better with him out - I’d like that to continue for a while, just in case he is out the door in the summer.

[louieollie]

Out for me , looked like a headless chicken when he came on Saturday. I'd have Shelvey in place of Laurent and Edwards in place of Flemming starting Foster as a no9.

[Overseascricketer]

Out. Hannibal proven he’s good enough in the 10. Gives us an intensity and helps to get us forward. Cullen and Laurent in front of the back 4 and then no doubt bring him on anyway

[alwaysaclaret]

Don't get the preference some have with Shelvey, he's certainly not going to get through the amount of work Laurent does, and to think he's going to spray balls around the pitch like he did 10 year's ago, it's just not going to happen, yes I agree a good option if he was but he's simply not match fit and doesn't have the capability he had back then. Don't think he'd played for a while in Turkey. 20 to 30 minutes off the bench is best we can expect imo.

[Tricky Trevor]

In. Better starter than Laurent but Josh L is more dynamic at the end of a game. Bring him on with 20mins to go.

[Milltown1882]

More concerned about any contract clarity rather than the lineup in/out.

[Tricky Trevor]

Out for me , looked like a headless chicken when he came on Saturday. I'd have Shelvey in place of Laurent and Edwards in place of Flemming starting Foster as a no9.

I’m a better CF than Foster and I’m 71.

[boatshed bill]

I’m a better CF than Foster and I’m 71.

Walking football, Trevor?

[Tricky Trevor]

Walking football, Trevor?

I’d love to play but there is none around me. I might not have Fosters pace but I know how to score.

[louieollie]

I’m a better CF than Foster and I’m 71.

We've only got your word on that Trev

[Enola Gay]

Laurent contributes loads more than Brownhill,he must be the most overrated captain we’ve had at Burnley for years,when was the last time he controlled the game like Cullen or brought energy to the team like Hannibal does ,ok he’s scored a few goals and he always tends to score a few in the first half of the season but if Cullen gets the right protection alongside him he’s good enough for the Premier League ,Brownhill nowhere near good enough apart from being a good guy,and I’m sure if Parker and Pace had rated so high they’d have given him a new contract by now.

Sorry, but for me this is all kinds of nonsense.

Brownhill has around three times the Premier League appearances of Cullen and unless I've missed something is the only one of the two to have attracted interest from other PL clubs; now you could argue that Brownhill has never looked truly commanding in the Premier League but neither has Cullen and the argument that he would look Premier League level if you put the right players around him isn't the winning argument you think it is. He lacks a bit of physicality and presence in a League that thrives on it and the rest of his game isn't good enough for anyone else to rebuild their midfield to accommodate him. Laurent meanwhile is the oldest of the three and is currently playing as high in the pyramid as he ever has, and for all he's got the edge on the other two physically in terms of his quality you can usually see why.

All three have strengths and weaknesses but there's no way in this lifetime that when you average them out Brownhill comes out worst of the three.

[ClaretPete001]

Brownhill has scored 9 goals in a team that doesn't score enough..!

[Vino blanco]

I think we need to try and somehow fit Brownhill, Shelvey and Edwards in the team. Laurent should be dropped, he’s an okay Championship player who would do a decent job at a club like Stoke. Anthony is a lovely footballer for the first twenty minutes of every game, after that he disappears. It is a conundrum and I don’t think Parker has the answer at the moment.

[Quickenthetempo]

I think we need to try and somehow fit Brownhill, Shelvey and Edwards in the team.

We would certainly score if we could sneak 14 players on the pitch.

[Stonehouse]

Sorry, but for me this is all kinds of nonsense.

Brownhill has around three times the Premier League appearances of Cullen and unless I've missed something is the only one of the two to have attracted interest from other PL clubs; now you could argue that Brownhill has never looked truly commanding in the Premier League but neither has Cullen and the argument that he would look Premier League level if you put the right players around him isn't the winning argument you think it is. He lacks a bit of physicality and presence in a League that thrives on it and the rest of his game isn't good enough for anyone else to rebuild their midfield to accommodate him. Laurent meanwhile is the oldest of the three and is currently playing as high in the pyramid as he ever has, and for all he's got the edge on the other two physically in terms of his quality you can usually see why.

All three have strengths and weaknesses but there's no way in this lifetime that when you average them out Brownhill comes out worst of the three.

As said previously I’d like to see how many times has Brownhill been MoM ,and I think a bit like JT Kompany hung Cullen out to dry in the Premier League .

[LaLigaClaret]

Problem is we've had too many should have's against teams that "we should have"
Now that the gap has opened, I just don't see Sheffield utd and Leeds being caught, and ironically it could be that Brereton turns out to be the difference.

I agree with having too many should haves when instead we didn't get however I think your a bit pessimistic saying that the gap is too big with Leeds and Sheff Utd not being caught. The result between them next Monday gives us a chance to reduce the gap especially if Leeds win or there is a draw, then we still have to play Sheff Utd at the Turf and if we win that we could finish in the automatic places if we don't drop more points in 0-0 draws. So keep believing.

Brownhill in or out is a difficult one to decide and SP now has perhaps too many options available in midfield and I think his decision may be influenced by who should be selected for the PNE cup game. I suspect Hannibal may be on the bench Friday night and Brownhill will play with Cullen and Laurent.

One thing is certain it is up front where the real problems are. Foster must surely now make way with Edwards starting, Flemming and Anthony as the other front two.

[fatboy47]

If Brownhill is fit, focussed and motivated then he, Cullen and Hannibal all start.

Laurent and Shelvey can fight over the crumbs but you've got to suspect that Shelvey is a shadow of his former self given that Parker's barely given him a sniff....the one-off through ball to Anthony a few weeks back maybe wasn't the glorious epiphany some had forseen.

[willsclarets]

Nothing against Laurent, but for me Brownhill comes in for him and we start with a 3 of Brownhill, Cullen and Hannibal. Edwards on the right and Anthony on the left.

Brownhill is obviously more of a threat around the box, and we have to be a bit bolder at home. Hannibal will win you the ball further up the pitch.

I've resigned myself to this never happening, but I also think Brownhill and Cullen could hold their own in the middle, with Edwards right and Anthony left. Flemming in the 10 dropping in as needed, which I think he has the workrate to do, then Foster or Barnes up top. Close to zero chance of this happening however.

[boatshed bill]

In for me. Cullen holding, Brownhill right and Hannibal left.

[Conroy92]

Playoffs is all but guaranteed now and top 2 is out. Let's go for it. Attack Attack Attack.

Mental.

Blades Vs Weeds next week and we still have Blades to play.

Still a long way to go.

[Conroy92]

I think we need to try and somehow fit Brownhill, Shelvey and Edwards in the team. Laurent should be dropped, he’s an okay Championship player who would do a decent job at a club like Stoke. Anthony is a lovely footballer for the first twenty minutes of every game, after that he disappears. It is a conundrum and I don’t think Parker has the answer at the moment.

I would have levelled that at Anthony in the first few months. But I think he's been very good recently. Our main outlet.
I think Laurents skill set is under rated. In some ways I think he is the perfect complimentary player if you have 3 in the centre and he also has different attributes to the others in terms of height and physicality.

I don't disagree regarding Shelvey, but for me he's the perfect man to come on with 30 mins remaining. To stretch teams from a leading position but also for the balls and delivery when chasing a win. So that's where he would fit for me.

Brownhill is one of the best championship midfielders you will find in terms of a box to box midfielder. He can break play up from deep as well as high and also has goals and assists to his name. However. It can't be overlooked since dropping out of the side, the passing through the centre of the park has been of a higher quality and has allowed us to move the ball over the field quicker and more accurately. It's not a coincidence. Brownhill is your perfect all rounder. He could do a job for most of the others (except maybe Cullen) but is not a specialist or technician. For me he's the rotation man. Laurent gets a knock, Browny in. Hannibal takes a knock. Browny in. The exception is probably Cullen who I would rotate swop with Shelvey maybe.

Edwards is a tough one. I want to get him in the side. I think the most likely position is left wing. I know people have talked of moving Anthony but I'd be resistant to do that in the form he's in. Foster, while struggling to convert chances. Is offering us a little more directness going forwards in terms of running at defenders. That being said his performances have felt a little underwhelming but I do see some need for his attributes in the side. Ultimately I'd probably drop Foster for Edwards.

[Bin Ont Turf]

Of course Brownhill in, but for in for boring safe Parkerball Cullen.

Traf
Roberts
C.E.R
Steve
Pires
Hannibal
Brownhill
Benson
Edwards
Flemming
Barnes

Stop messing about you boring cockerney.

[dvalley69]

Been good at home recently. Don't see why we need to change it.

[Bullabill]

I’m a better CF than Foster and I’m 71.

We've only got your word on that Trev


I believe him - he knows his age.

[dermotdermot]

Playoffs is all but guaranteed now and top 2 is out. Let's go for it. Attack Attack Attack.

I don’t quite see that. In all likelihood we shall be two points off automatic promotion after this weekend with twelve games to play. And we play Sheffield Utd at home third game from the end of the season.

[dandeclaret]

Of course Brownhill in, but for in for boring safe Parkerball Cullen.

Traf
Roberts
C.E.R
Steve
Pires
Hannibal
Brownhill
Benson
Edwards
Flemming
Barnes

Stop messing about you boring cockerney.

Stop being disrespectful you thick troll.

[Bin Ont Turf]

Stop being disrespectful you thick troll.

You see what happens when he's not boring, you little jumped up outhouse.

[BurnleyFC]

He took the game away from Wednesday tonight with his great run and finish at a time when we were really struggling to exert some dominance.

He has to start next game.

[The Shire Claret]

He will be in next game ….

That’s a prime example of how you get yourself back in the starting 11