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Average Player Ratings

Post by ClaretTony » Wed Mar 19, 2025 10:56 am

Average Ratings up to and including Saturday's game at Swansea

7.35: CJ Egan-Riley
7.33: Maxime Estève
6.97: Josh Cullen
6.94: James Trafford
6.78: Connor Roberts
6.73: Bashir Humphreys
6.55: Jaidon Anthony
6.52: Josh Laurent
6.50: Josh Brownhill
6.41: Hannibal
6.15: Jeremy Sarmiento
6.05: Zian Flemming
5.94: Lyle Foster & Lucas Pires
5.88: Luca Koleosho

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Re: Average Player Ratings

Post by morninbob » Wed Mar 19, 2025 11:16 am

ClaretTony wrote:
Wed Mar 19, 2025 10:56 am
Average Ratings up to and including Saturday's game at Swansea

7.35: CJ Egan-Riley
7.33: Maxime Estève
6.97: Josh Cullen
6.94: James Trafford
6.78: Connor Roberts
6.73: Bashir Humphreys
6.55: Jaidon Anthony
6.52: Josh Laurent
6.50: Josh Brownhill
6.41: Hannibal
6.15: Jeremy Sarmiento
6.05: Zian Flemming
5.94: Lyle Foster & Lucas Pires
5.88: Luca Koleosho
Surprisingly accurate.

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Re: Average Player Ratings

Post by dandeclaret » Wed Mar 19, 2025 11:47 am

Have you got the end of season player ratings for the last championship season Tony?

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Re: Average Player Ratings

Post by CoolClaret » Wed Mar 19, 2025 11:50 am

Josh Brownhill averaging 6.5 after scoring 13 league goals is pretty laughable - shows how harsh some people mark players!

I recall the same from 2 seasons ago in this division, from the average ratings you'd have guessed we were mid table at best.
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Re: Average Player Ratings

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Wed Mar 19, 2025 11:52 am

Having 2 players who have been rated as good or above this season is weird.

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Re: Average Player Ratings

Post by Ric_C » Wed Mar 19, 2025 11:57 am

Depends on the rating system though.

Looking at whoscored stats, we don't have many who have played over 10 games over 7/10

Surprisingly Esteve is only 6.98 which is crazy. Having said that I think Esteve and CJ are in the top 5 defenders marked in the league.

https://www.whoscored.com/teams/184/sho ... nd-burnley

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Re: Average Player Ratings

Post by RVclaret » Wed Mar 19, 2025 12:00 pm

Should do a count from those who 1) know what / have a clue what football is 2) aren’t over emotional children after not winning. I’d be interested in seeing the contrast in average scores.
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Re: Average Player Ratings

Post by jlup1980 » Wed Mar 19, 2025 12:27 pm

The top six say it all. It's been a very defensive minded season! Esteve and CJ rightly the top two. I'm surprised Roberts isn't nearer to 7, he's such an important cog in the machine - when he plays well, we play well.

It's odd that the only players to produce at the other end are Brownhill, Flemming and Anthony, yet they all rate far lower the defensive unit.

Brownhill has always divided opinion, but I'm firmly in his camp. We're a better team with him in it, especially when he's played further forward. 6.5 for a lad who has 13 goals and 4 assists from midfield is ludicrous.
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Re: Average Player Ratings

Post by Fretters » Wed Mar 19, 2025 12:33 pm

It's odd how Browny has never been 'loved' by the fans, despite his service and output. Has he ever had a song?

There are some games where, other than popping up with a goal, he is pretty quiet, so maybe that's it.

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Re: Average Player Ratings

Post by ClaretTony » Wed Mar 19, 2025 1:45 pm

dandeclaret wrote:
Wed Mar 19, 2025 11:47 am
Have you got the end of season player ratings for the last championship season Tony?
Here we go

7.30: Jordan Beyer
7.11: Josh Cullen
7.07: Arijanet Muric
6.95: Manuel Benson
6.94: Jack Cork
6.88: Nathan Tella
6.85: Taylor Harwood-Bellis
6,74: Jóhann Berg Guðmundsson, Connor Roberts & Charlie Taylor
6.73: Josh Brownhill
6.68: Ian Maatsen
6.65: Ashley Barnes
6.64: Anass Zaroury
6.52: Jay Rodriguez
6.48: Bailey Peacock-Farrell
6.16: Vitinho

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Re: Average Player Ratings

Post by claretspice » Wed Mar 19, 2025 1:59 pm

The ratings for Brownhill are far too low in both seasons, but especially in this one when he's scored so many goals. He's an incredibly under-appreciated player at this level, which is odd because in many respects he's precisely the sort of player I'd have always expected Burnley fans to take to - industrious, athletic, decent technically, plays with common sense and a good finisher.

I'd say that all the midfield area appear under-rated there - all of Laurent, Hannibal and Anthony in particular. Defenders will always tend to score more highly I think because a team tends to be more consistent defensively.

Always some anomalies - for Maatsen to only average 6.7 two years ago is really surprising and whilst Humphreys has been OK this season, he's not been better than Maatsen was two years ago, and nor has he been so dramatically better than Lucas Pires, who is another clearly under-rated in these scores.

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Re: Average Player Ratings

Post by morninbob » Wed Mar 19, 2025 2:17 pm

Fretters wrote:
Wed Mar 19, 2025 12:33 pm
It's odd how Browny has never been 'loved' by the fans, despite his service and output. Has he ever had a song?

There are some games where, other than popping up with a goal, he is pretty quiet, so maybe that's it.
He's not known as the ghost for no reason...

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Re: Average Player Ratings

Post by CoolClaret » Wed Mar 19, 2025 2:36 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Wed Mar 19, 2025 1:45 pm
Here we go

7.30: Jordan Beyer
7.11: Josh Cullen
7.07: Arijanet Muric
6.95: Manuel Benson
6.94: Jack Cork
6.88: Nathan Tella
6.85: Taylor Harwood-Bellis
6,74: Jóhann Berg Guðmundsson, Connor Roberts & Charlie Taylor
6.73: Josh Brownhill
6.68: Ian Maatsen
6.65: Ashley Barnes
6.64: Anass Zaroury
6.52: Jay Rodriguez
6.48: Bailey Peacock-Farrell
6.16: Vitinho
Laughable, isn't it?.... bloody tough crowd.

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Re: Average Player Ratings

Post by IanMcL » Wed Mar 19, 2025 2:39 pm

Funny how a team at the top of a league has it's defenders as its best performers!

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Re: Average Player Ratings

Post by ClaretTony » Wed Mar 19, 2025 3:15 pm

IanMcL wrote:
Wed Mar 19, 2025 2:39 pm
Funny how a team at the top of a league has it's defenders as its best performers!
Not really when you see our goals for and against

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Re: Average Player Ratings

Post by fidelcastro » Wed Mar 19, 2025 3:25 pm

IanMcL wrote:
Wed Mar 19, 2025 2:39 pm
Funny how a team at the top of a league has it's defenders as its best performers!
Our defenders have been our best performers though.

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Re: Average Player Ratings

Post by Taffy on the wing » Wed Mar 19, 2025 3:27 pm

Surprised to see Sarmiento above Flemming.......Sarmiento has done nowt ...all season long!

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Re: Average Player Ratings

Post by agreenwood » Wed Mar 19, 2025 3:37 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Wed Mar 19, 2025 1:45 pm
Here we go

7.30: Jordan Beyer
7.11: Josh Cullen
7.07: Arijanet Muric
6.95: Manuel Benson
6.94: Jack Cork
6.88: Nathan Tella
6.85: Taylor Harwood-Bellis
6,74: Jóhann Berg Guðmundsson, Connor Roberts & Charlie Taylor
6.73: Josh Brownhill
6.68: Ian Maatsen
6.65: Ashley Barnes
6.64: Anass Zaroury
6.52: Jay Rodriguez
6.48: Bailey Peacock-Farrell
6.16: Vitinho
82% of the squad rated somewhere between good and average despite winning the league at a canter.

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Re: Average Player Ratings

Post by CrosspoolClarets » Wed Mar 19, 2025 4:59 pm

As ever this feature is a really good barometer as to who has done well, as an average from hundreds of posters it doesn’t let us down.

But there are commonalities across seasons - forwards being lower down, fullbacks struggling to get to the top (even Maatsen).

I’d suggest there is a difference between players who regularly do well (and thus are high in this feature) and players who win vital games for us but are anonymous in others. A team needs both types. So Flemming, Brownhill, Anthony etc are as important as Esteve and CJER.

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Re: Average Player Ratings

Post by willsclarets » Wed Mar 19, 2025 5:41 pm

The scoring on this board is so daft at times. Most of the time in fact. Some people decided they didn't like Anthony very early, and it shows despite his performances and contributions. Maatsen's score for our promotion season is laughable. Strange too how people were bemoaning Zarourys lack of game time in the Premier league, and yet in the so called "terrible division" below he managed 6.64.

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Re: Average Player Ratings

Post by Goliath » Wed Mar 19, 2025 5:44 pm

Taffy on the wing wrote:
Wed Mar 19, 2025 3:27 pm
Surprised to see Sarmiento above Flemming.......Sarmiento has done nowt ...all season long!
He had a spell early on where he was our best player im the number 10 role when we were getting a lot of draws.

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Re: Average Player Ratings

Post by dandeclaret » Wed Mar 19, 2025 5:54 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Wed Mar 19, 2025 3:15 pm
Not really when you see our goals for and against
Defenders and Defensive midfielders dominated the top of the table under Kompany too. Maybe Burnley fans just love defenders, rather than these flaky, fancy dan forwards.

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Re: Average Player Ratings

Post by CharlieinNewMexico » Wed Mar 19, 2025 6:42 pm

Pires would be about 6.33 if you could discount all the drama queens giving him 3’s every match because he’s not “Charlie Taylor”
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Re: Average Player Ratings

Post by claretcarrot93 » Thu Mar 20, 2025 3:30 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Wed Mar 19, 2025 1:45 pm
Here we go

7.30: Jordan Beyer
7.11: Josh Cullen
7.07: Arijanet Muric
6.95: Manuel Benson
6.94: Jack Cork
6.88: Nathan Tella
6.85: Taylor Harwood-Bellis
6,74: Jóhann Berg Guðmundsson, Connor Roberts & Charlie Taylor
6.73: Josh Brownhill
6.68: Ian Maatsen
6.65: Ashley Barnes
6.64: Anass Zaroury
6.52: Jay Rodriguez
6.48: Bailey Peacock-Farrell
6.16: Vitinho
Hope Beyer can get back to that. Top player. Vitinho surprisingly low

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Re: Average Player Ratings

Post by Goliath » Thu Mar 20, 2025 3:38 pm

claretcarrot93 wrote:
Thu Mar 20, 2025 3:30 pm
Hope Beyer can get back to that. Top player. Vitinho surprisingly low
No surprise for me. He was rubbish
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Re: Average Player Ratings

Post by IanMcL » Thu Mar 20, 2025 5:09 pm

fidelcastro wrote:
Wed Mar 19, 2025 3:25 pm
Our defenders have been our best performers though.
Yes. However, that's what makes it unusual.

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Re: Average Player Ratings

Post by IanMcL » Thu Mar 20, 2025 5:11 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Wed Mar 19, 2025 3:15 pm
Not really when you see our goals for and against
It is not what would be expected though, fir a team riding high. An unusual happening.

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Re: Average Player Ratings

Post by Conroy92 » Thu Mar 20, 2025 5:14 pm

Goliath wrote:
Thu Mar 20, 2025 3:38 pm
No surprise for me. He was rubbish
:roll:

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Re: Average Player Ratings

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Mar 20, 2025 5:15 pm

IanMcL wrote:
Thu Mar 20, 2025 5:11 pm
It is not what would be expected though, fir a team riding high. An unusual happening.
You might want to take a look at why we are riding high, what the team's strengths are.

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Re: Average Player Ratings

Post by IanMcL » Thu Mar 20, 2025 5:27 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Thu Mar 20, 2025 5:15 pm
You might want to take a look at why we are riding high, what the team's strengths are.
I get all that. My original post started with: It's funny that.. simply because it is an unusual occurrence. Nothing more or less. Usually top teams are winning through goals scored at one end and less going in at the other.

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Re: Average Player Ratings

Post by fidelcastro » Thu Mar 20, 2025 5:29 pm

IanMcL wrote:
Thu Mar 20, 2025 5:09 pm
Yes. However, that's what makes it unusual.
When you concede as few goals as we do, we're bound to be doing well in the table.

Thankfully they haven't all been 0-0.
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Re: Average Player Ratings

Post by MDWat » Thu Mar 20, 2025 5:35 pm

IanMcL wrote:
Thu Mar 20, 2025 5:27 pm
I get all that. My original post started with: It's funny that.. simply because it is an unusual occurrence. Nothing more or less. Usually top teams are winning through goals scored at one end and less going in at the other.
That’s what is happening though? We’re just scoring 1 or 2 and conceding 0 or 1. Usually 0.

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Re: Average Player Ratings

Post by IanMcL » Thu Mar 20, 2025 5:40 pm

MDWat wrote:
Thu Mar 20, 2025 5:35 pm
That’s what is happening though? We’re just scoring 1 or 2 and conceding 0 or 1. Usually 0.
That's unusual and why all our top rankings are the defenders - which is probably unique. That's my only point!

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Re: Average Player Ratings

Post by claretcarrot93 » Fri Mar 21, 2025 12:01 pm

Goliath wrote:
Thu Mar 20, 2025 3:38 pm
No surprise for me. He was rubbish
Good utility player and put a shift in. Made about 7 million profit. Could do with more of that rubbish

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Re: Average Player Ratings

Post by Goliath » Fri Mar 21, 2025 3:09 pm

claretcarrot93 wrote:
Fri Mar 21, 2025 12:01 pm
Good utility player and put a shift in. Made about 7 million profit. Could do with more of that rubbish
I'd prefer us to sign players with football intelligence and ability rather than hope some daft clubs come along and give us money for poor players.

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Re: Average Player Ratings

Post by AfloatinClaret » Fri Mar 21, 2025 3:21 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Wed Mar 19, 2025 12:00 pm
Should do a count from those who 1) know what / have a clue what football is 2) aren’t over emotional children after not winning. I’d be interested in seeing the contrast in average scores.
But would that poll be any more accurate? Your way there would only be about five or six people's votes getting counted/averaged, so an insufficient number to be considered valid

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Post by burnley007 » Fri Mar 21, 2025 3:23 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Wed Mar 19, 2025 12:00 pm
Should do a count from those who 1) know what / have a clue what football is 2) aren’t over emotional children after not winning. I’d be interested in seeing the contrast in average scores.
Are you the nominated person to make that judgement call on each of us?

Most people who make statements like that have a larger than average ego...
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Re: Average Player Ratings

Post by RVclaret » Fri Mar 21, 2025 4:26 pm

burnley007 wrote:
Fri Mar 21, 2025 3:23 pm
Are you the nominated person to make that judgement call on each of us?

Most people who make statements like that have a larger than average ego...
Oh you’d 100% not be included, on both counts

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Re: Average Player Ratings

Post by CharlieinNewMexico » Sat Mar 22, 2025 1:44 am

Goliath wrote:
Thu Mar 20, 2025 3:38 pm
No surprise for me. He was rubbish
Ok DA. No more accounts now.

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