Trent booed by Liverpool fans

[GetIntoEm]

He owes them nothing, he's fulfilled his side of the deal.

Fair play to him.

You can't say no to Madrid. Don't understand Liverpool fans on this or in general tbf.

[ecc]

Nearest comparison for Burnley would the way JBG messed us about last summer and ditched us for the Saudi's when he got a whiff of their money. I think there would definitely be some Burnley fans who would boo him if he ever came back to the Turf and whilst I dont think thats right I can understand why they would do it.

It's true they're broke and desperately needed the money from a transfer.

[ElectroClaret]

I've very rarely seen so many whoppers on a thread.
Exceptional even by this boards standards.

[LeadBelly]

I'm not sure how loud the booing was, I didnt watch on TV and sometimes it's difficult to judge how load crowd sound are via TV anyway.

The early reports I saw suggested a few boos but a Telegraph article today on this subject says:
"The ferocity of the booing for the outgoing vice-captain was undeniably harsh given his stellar contribution over 20 years at Anfield, especially the last eight as a legendary figure in the club re-establishing itself as a Premier League and Champions League force. A response was anticipated, but not to such an extent that it would bring the party atmosphere to such a grinding halt, the title celebrations surrendering to what amounted to a public flogging.

With a crowd of 60,000 there are bound to be some differences of opinion.
I feel he has never let the club down or bad-mouthed them and contributed to their recent successes so I would not boo. Of course, he's been very well remunerated for his service so some fans will see him as disloyal and mercenary but I'm surprised there were many such making their views known with boos.

[mikeS]

Sounded pretty loud on (the edited) MOTD2.
Why would you boo your own player who has played brilliantly for Liverpool and helped win them the title and now wants a change of scene?

[Pearcey]

I’d expect nothing else from the fans of self pity city. It’s all about them. The lad is wanted by Real Madrid! That’s Real Madrid!! He gets the chance to live in a wonderful city with fantastic weather. Who could blame him. People forget the basics and just play the loyalty card.

[Poulton-le-Claret]

It's his job at the end of the day. Yes Liverpool pay him well, but Madrid will pay even more, plus a crazy signing-on fee. Not only that, but he has won the lot at Liverpool, nothing wrong with a new challenge.

Liverpool fans need to get over themselves (although that won't happen anytime soon).

[jedi_master]

The world is bigger than your hometown. TAA has performed well, won the lot and now leaves to join the biggest club in the world in a lovely climate on a stonking pay rise. If I had been forced to live around Liverpool my entire life, you best believe I'd be delighted to move to Madrid. You only live once and loyalty works two ways. If he had done his ACL a few years ago and never returned to his level, would Liverpool have kept him around just because he's a local lad or would they have replaced him and binned him? Look at Jon Flanagan for the answer there (not trying to compare them on an ability level, but you get my point). Good luck to him in my opinion. The reception was insane too. Don't get me wrong, fans boo players leaving/coming back all the time but Liverpool fans are another level in my opinion, I thought it was absolutely ridiculous but also totally expected of them. If that's one of his last ever appearances at Anfield, you should respect what he has done for you rather than the fact he's leaving. Then again, I am someone who stood and applauded Glen coming back with Reading when the rest of Turf Moor booed (not a local lad, but he left us for more money and so on).

Also - the point about Chaplow and Rodriguez is daft. We were absolutely brassic on both occasions and just making it into the first team at your hometown club doesn't mean you have some sort of lifelong service to them, just like in any job. If I made my money/career at some Burnley based company should I never look out for myself and bin them off for a better opportunity when it suits my life ambitions or financially betters myself and my family? It can't just apply to footballers.

[JohnMcGreal]

I think it's pretty shitty of Alexander-Arnold and don't think booing him is unfair. Don't think it's comparable to players leaving us because that's necessary to move upwards in your career, this isn't.

I don't think it even matters if it's an upwards move or not. He's won everything at Liverpool and might just fancy a change (new country, culture, language etc).

He's earned that right. Those booing him were a bit sad.

[ecc]

People will know better than me but I seem to recall Jay was called to a meeting August 2011 with Danny Fox and told Southampton wanted them. Fox said he wanted to go, Jay didn't. He went the next summer but we were desperate for the money.

[ecc]

Ben Mee and James Tarkowski are the ones you really want to have a go at, if you genuinely want to make an exhibition of yourself. We got fees for Rodriguez and Chaplow.

Possibly Brownhill and Egan Riley too - did you boo them at the last game, on the off chance?

Apparently Ben and Tarky's departures were different.

It's unlikely Ben will play at TM again but I wouldn't be able to comprehend anybody booing him.

[bumba]

Well I didn’t accuse him of breaking the law, did I?

More of a question, should a born Liverpool fan who the club has made a multi millionaire not show a little more loyalty to his local club? Or should he be held to the same standard as a foreign signing.

I'd call 20 years service, over 350 appearances, two premier leagues and a champions league more than enough loyalty

[KRBFC]

I don’t think it’s him leaving that’s the issue, more various other factors that have led up to it.

He’s left on a free, been seen signing Real Madrid shirts months ago, let this story linger in the press for so long before addressing it, clearly been speaking to Madrid behind the scenes for quite some time and left in a sideways move whilst Liverpool are the best in England right now. The timing of his announcement, tried taking the limelight off the team winning the title.

[GetIntoEm]

Apparently Ben and Tarky's departures were different.

It's unlikely Ben will play at TM again but I wouldn't be able to comprehend anybody booing him.

People boo'd Dwight McNeil FFS. Seems to be the current thing too boo all ex players and some current ones

[fidelcastro]

People boo'd Dwight McNeil FFS. Seems to be the current thing too boo all ex players and some current ones

Worse than that. They booed McNeil, but not Tarkowski (not that either of them deserved to be booed!).

Let's not pretend it's just Liverpool fans who are thick!

[Sausage]

I don’t think it’s him leaving that’s the issue, more various other factors that have led up to it.

He’s left on a free, been seen signing Real Madrid shirts months ago, let this story linger in the press for so long before addressing it, clearly been speaking to Madrid behind the scenes for quite some time and left in a sideways move whilst Liverpool are the best in England right now. The timing of his announcement, tried taking the limelight off the team winning the title.

Let's deconstruct these 'various other factors', shall we?

He's left on a free. Lots of players leave for free. Are you suggesting he should've engineered a move while under contract? Do you honestly think that would have changed Liverpool fans' opinion of him?

Seen signing Real Madrid shirts months ago. So what? I saw Lionel Messi sign a West Ham shirt a few years back.

Let the story linger in the press. That's the media's fault, not his. He has consistently refused to comment.

Clearly been speaking to Madrid behind the scenes for some time. That's how ALL transfers are negotiated. Did you expect him to convene a public meeting at St George's Hall? Or would you have preferred him to have effectively made himself unemployed on 30 June and then start looking for a club on 1 July?

A sideways move. If you say so.

Liverpool are best in England right now. And for the vast majority of his 20 years at the club Liverpool were NOT the best in England. Yet he stayed loyal

Tried taking the limelight off the team winning the title. His refusal to comment on the matter until the appropriate time shows his commitment to letting the team take the limelight. Or perhaps the media shifted the limelight onto TAA because this has been one of the most boring Premier League campaigns in history.

[boyyanno]

Awful mentality, I don't think anyone who thinks this way is a fan.

[ecc]

Worse than that. They booed McNeil, but not Tarkowski (not that either of them deserved to be booed!).

Let's not pretend it's just Liverpool fans who are thick!

I've never booed one of our players, current or former.

However, there have been one or two I might well have done had I had the chance.

Transfers have always existed in football. For many years players were treated pretty badly and chairmen "owned" them. Some players still are eg ostracised by new managers.

However, things have shifted enormously. Concerning JT, I could understand his desire to play for a "bigger club" although he went to Everton ten years too late for that. I wouldn't have booed him. I'd rather recall the good years with him and Ben in central defence.

DM: I could understand the lad wishing to play PL and we needed the money. I couldn't have booed him.

[Lu-tze]

I think I could have understood the booing more if he was their superstar player who was first name on the team sheet and winning games for them single-handedly but he’s been in and out of the team this season and getting grief off fans.

Probably thinks sod it, if I’m never going to be Slot’s type of player and fit in to the system whilst getting abuse off fans I may as well go to arguably the biggest team in Europe for a pay day and good chance of trophies every season.

[fidelcastro]

I've never booed one of our players, current or former.

However, there have been one or two I might well have done had I had the chance.

Transfers have always existed in football. For many years players were treated pretty badly and chairmen "owned" them. Some players still are eg ostracised by new managers.

However, things have shifted enormously. Concerning JT, I could understand his desire to play for a "bigger club" although he went to Everton ten years too late for that. I wouldn't have booed him. I'd rather recall the good years with him and Ben in central defence.

DM: I could understand the lad wishing to play PL and we needed the money. I couldn't have booed him.

The only ex Burnley player I've ever booed is Kurt Nogan.

Surely no one can blame me for that?

[The Shire Claret]

Worse than that. They booed McNeil, but not Tarkowski (not that either of them deserved to be booed!).

Let's not pretend it's just Liverpool fans who are thick!

Very poor form Booing McNeil

Especially when we got 20m for him

[fidelcastro]

Very poor form Booing McNeil

Especially when we got 20m for him

I remember it being mentioned on here when it first happened.

Most of the posters who admitted to booing him couldn't even explain why they were doing it!

[Awayfromburnley]

I can kind of understand the booing.

Lots of pragmatic comment on here about he's won it all, new change and all that. All very true.

That said, people want players to be loyal and feel their love for a club and in the simplest terms are probably a bit jealous.

I wouldn't be happy if my wife left me for a better looking, richer rival of mine and gave me nothing for it. It's just human instinct.

[CoolClaret]

I can kind of understand the booing.

Lots of pragmatic comment on here about he's won it all, new change and all that. All very true.

That said, people want players to be loyal and feel their love for a club and in the simplest terms are probably a bit jealous.

I wouldn't be happy if my wife left me for a better looking, richer rival of mine and gave me nothing for it. It's just human instinct.

Did you and your wife sign a 4 year contract or a lifelong one?

[Awayfromburnley]

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[Awayfromburnley]

Did you and your wife sign a 4 year contract or a lifelong one?

We have a contract review meeting on each anniversary.

[CoolClaret]

We have a contract review meeting on each anniversary.

Well, you can't be too upset if she chooses not to renew and 'GetAwayFromAwayfromburnley'!

[equinox]

The thing that's ******* Liverpool fan's off as much as anything is they know he'll be perfect for Madrid and will be incredibly successful there.





























....and he left on a free transfer.

[dsr]

The only ex Burnley player I've ever booed is Kurt Nogan.

Surely no one can blame me for that?

When Owen Coyle and Steve Davis came out together, did you boo one but not the other?

[fidelcastro]

When Owen Coyle and Steve Davis came out together, did you boo one but not the other?

I meant whilst they were still players!

[pureclaret]

Part of the same reason I’ll never class Jay Rodriguez/Chaplow as some Burnley local legends, never showed the club any kind of loyalty and jumped ship at the first opportunity.

Not sure why you would not class them as local legends, especially when we needed to sell Jay Rodriguez the club were desperate for money and I believe got £7 million for him, that bailed us out of a bad position

[Winstonswhite]

I see a lot of media talk about this, I don’t think non local fans will ever really get it. Thoughts?

I think he’s a traitor and the fans were right to boo. He’s engineered a snakey move to Madrid for a while, he was seen signing fans’ Real Madrid shirts, intentionally ran down his contract to leave on a free.

Poor from a born Scouser and sums up the lack of loyalty in modern day football. Winning 1 or 2 more PL trophies with Liverpool should eclipse anything he could achieve ever at Madrid. Look what happened to Owen and Mcmanaman.

Part of the same reason I’ll never class Jay Rodriguez/Chaplow as some Burnley local legends, never showed the club any kind of loyalty and jumped ship at the first opportunity.

Makes me laugh how you’re forever banging on about how much you’ll always love Owen Coyle despite the lack of loyalty he showed, yet slag off TTA, Chaplow, Jay Rod and Ings for leaving under completely acceptable conditions.

[Juan Tanamera]

He's finally found his way out of Dwight McNeil's back pocket.
Good for him.

[KRBFC]

Makes me laugh how you’re forever banging on about how much you’ll always love Owen Coyle despite the lack of loyalty he showed, yet slag off TTA, Chaplow, Jay Rod and Ings for leaving under completely acceptable conditions.

I loved the Coyle times, I don’t love him. Funny you mention that, most of the fans on here who say loyalty doesn’t matter despise Coyle for his lack of loyalty. I think if CT started the topic, it would garner a different response.

[Conroy92]

The reality is,

If you sign a contract, fulfill that contact and along the way, your performances are good enough that your current club is successful while also garnering you a "better/higher paid" move. What exactly is the problem.

We didn't mind Tarks when he left on a free, gave his all and his on field contributions added to our success, fulfilled his contract and left.

It's just very pathetic and bitter and ultimately toys out of the pram.
Fans who bemoan players for loyality are usually the first ones booing in the stands.

[Indecisive]

Well considering the topic is about do we expect some kind of loyalty from a local born fan I’m not sure any of those names really fit the bill.

Brownhill however, now there’s a man who’s shown the club loyalty and will go down in the history books. Last year of his contract and could’ve easily forced a move, signed with another team in January but nope, produced his best performances of his career whilst wearing the captains armband.

Imagine Brownhill (like the vast vast majority of players) has taken the advice of an agent, and feels like letting his contract run down, would likely lead to much more money for him personally with his next contract… whether that’s at Burnley or elsewhere.

I imagine he’s likely to make a decision ultimately that he believes is the best one for him personally, career wise and financially. Don’t get me wrong, I’d like him to stay. But he will have a lot of options, and has earned them!

That’s not to say I don’t have huge respect for Brownhill and what he’s achieved with/for us.

I’m just pretty pragmatic and realistic when it comes to this.

[ecc]

Coyle was different. He left us in the mire. Mid-season.

[fidelcastro]

Coyle was different. He left us in the mire. Mid-season.

Exactly. As oppose to fulfilling the contract he'd signed like TAA just has.

I don't get why their fans are whining so much.

[ecc]

Because they like doing so.

[CardyTheClaret]

I see a lot of media talk about this, I don’t think non local fans will ever really get it. Thoughts?

I think he’s a traitor and the fans were right to boo. He’s engineered a snakey move to Madrid for a while, he was seen signing fans’ Real Madrid shirts, intentionally ran down his contract to leave on a free.

Poor from a born Scouser and sums up the lack of loyalty in modern day football. Winning 1 or 2 more PL trophies with Liverpool should eclipse anything he could achieve ever at Madrid. Look what happened to Owen and Mcmanaman.

Part of the same reason I’ll never class Jay Rodriguez/Chaplow as some Burnley local legends, never showed the club any kind of loyalty and jumped ship at the first opportunity.

I honestly thought this was a **** fishing attempt that Devils Advocate would have been proud of.

[JohnMac]

Well I didn’t accuse him of breaking the law, did I?

More of a question, should a born Liverpool fan who the club has made a multi millionaire not show a little more loyalty to his local club? Or should he be held to the same standard as a foreign signing.

It's his own talent that made him a Millionairre. Had he been a 7/10 type player, Liverpool would have shown him the door regardless of him being a lifelong fan.

Real Madrid isn't a Club you turn down either.

[Claretitus]

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Well I didn’t accuse him of breaking the law, did I?

More of a question, should a born Liverpool fan who the club has made a multi millionaire not show a little more loyalty to his local club? Or should he be held to the same standard as a foreign signing.

It's his own talent that made him a Millionairre. Had he been a 7/10 type player, Liverpool would have shown him the door regardless of him being a lifelong fan.

Real Madrid isn't a Club you turn down either.
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Absolutely this. As Jude Bellingham said 2 summers ago - When Real Madrid knock on your door, the whole house shakes. Can’t blame the lad at all, and good luck to him.

[JR1882]

The club have bottled this, should have sold him 18/12 months ago if he didn’t want to sign but I don’t think they had the balls to do it so they just waited & hoped he would stay.

Fans are bang out of order which surprises no one outside of that city, it’s news to them that they aren’t the biggest club in the world.

[Fretters]

I see a lot of media talk about this, I don’t think non local fans will ever really get it. Thoughts?

I think he’s a traitor and the fans were right to boo. He’s engineered a snakey move to Madrid for a while, he was seen signing fans’ Real Madrid shirts, intentionally ran down his contract to leave on a free.

Poor from a born Scouser and sums up the lack of loyalty in modern day football. Winning 1 or 2 more PL trophies with Liverpool should eclipse anything he could achieve ever at Madrid. Look what happened to Owen and Mcmanaman.

Part of the same reason I’ll never class Jay Rodriguez/Chaplow as some Burnley local legends, never showed the club any kind of loyalty and jumped ship at the first opportunity.

Your McManaman reference is very odd. Owen yes, but McManaman won more at Madrid than we would have at Liverpool, even getting MOTM in the CL final. Liverpool weren't even qualifying for the CL.

[claretabroad]

I agree with many of the points that have been made here in terms of a contract was fulfilled etc.

I'd like to add a further point though about this idea of loyalty and that TAA owes Liverpool in some way. He's been at Liverpool for 20 odd years. In that time he will have played youth football with thousands of other players. Nearly every single one of those players was, at some point, deemed not good enough by the club and released with a firm handshake and a resounding 'good luck' ringing in their ears. Did the club show those players any form of loyalty? Did the club owe those players any sort of loyalty? Of course not.

This football business is a multi-billion pound enterprise. It chews up and spits out the dreams of 99.9% of the young players who dream of making it on the biggest stage. To say that the one kid who, against all odds, makes it into the first team owes that club who gave them a chance is ridiculous.

[JohnMcGreal]

Your McManaman reference is very odd. Owen yes, but McManaman won more at Madrid than we would have at Liverpool, even getting MOTM in the CL final. Liverpool weren't even qualifying for the CL.

His book 'El Macca' is a brilliant read about his time there. He really settled well there and enjoyed success. It was a great move for him.

[timshorts]

Hard to judge. He's gone from one club that I can't stand to another. I don't like him. I'm pretty sure that Barcelona will work out his defensive issues. Real also bought Royston drenthe, who was good going forward, but completely inept as a full back, so I hope it goes just as badly (but regrettably doubt that).

In the real world, though, similarly to the kane move, have you been to Madrid, and have you been to Liverpool? It doesn't work quite as well as the Munich comparison, as Munich is lovely, but the starting bar is a lot lower in trent's case.

[Big Vinny K]

Bloody hell we have had a hell of a lot of “traitors” play for Burnley then.

Ben Mee is very nearly a double traitor - he signed for us for virtually nothing and then left on a free too. Tripps just the same.

As for TAA - he owes Liverpool and their fans nothing. He’s been a fantastic player for them and an integral part of their success.

The comments above on Salah and Van Dyke are spot on. Both of them have been far more vocal than TAA about their contract situation and Salah especially was banging on about leaving the club almost every week at one point. The only reason Salah stayed because he has ended up with one of the biggest contracts in the history of football for a player of his age. If Real Madrid wanted him and were prepared to match what he was being offered by the Saudis then i reckon he would have left too. But there was never any interest from Madrid and it’s only when Liverpool matched the Saudis did he decided he wanted to stay. And it was no coincidence that Van Dyke signed after he knew Salah was staying.

TAA spoke far less about his situation than Salah or Van Dyke. The club has allowed all 3 of these contracts to run down. 2 of them decide to stay after getting ridiculous contracts for their age and the only one of these 3 players who has not got multiple clubs on his CV and stayed loyal to his boyhood club decides to do what the other 2 players have done on multiple occasions,…ie take on a new challenge and better himself and his career.

People like Carragher are thick as mince. His best mate Stevie G did far worse than TAA ever did in orchestrating that move to Chelsea to get himself a massive new contract.

[timshorts]

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People like Carragher are thick as mince. His best mate Stevie G did far worse than TAA ever did in orchestrating that move to Chelsea to get himself a massive new contract.
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But Gerrard fell over and lost the Scousers a title. One of the greatest moments of premier league history.