ARTICLE: Ingsy and Vokesy searching for new clubs

[ClaretTony]

Two more former Clarets released and two who formed a great partnership with us some years ago

See link
https://www.uptheclarets.com/ingsy-and- ... -new-clubs

[Rowls]

What a partnership!

As iconic as Laurel & Hardy, Troughton & Hines, Torvill & Dean ...

Ings might have gone on to play for England regularly had it not been for his injuries. He'd already had one ACL with us but that one at Liverpool really chopped him down. You could see his ability on the ball when he came back, but a large part of his game never recovered. Also a shame to hear the reported manner of his leaving but it can't take away what he did on the pitch for us.

As for Vokes - CT has listed all those goals and what he achieved at Burnley. He really didn't look like doing much under Eddie Howe. If we hadn't signed him permanently I don't think many would have complained. He looked cumbersome, clumsy and often couldn't hit a barn door. Like Dean Marney, he's another who came alive when Dyche arrived.

Forever grateful to have seen their stunning double act and in Vokes' case, a career packed full of highlights.

[ClaretTony]

What a partnership!

As iconic as Laurel & Hardy, Troughton & Hines, Torvill & Dean ...

Ings might have gone on to play for England regularly had it not been for his injuries. He'd already had one ACL with us but that one at Liverpool really chopped him down. You could see his ability on the ball when he came back, but a large part of his game never recovered. Also a shame to hear the reported manner of his leaving but it can't take away what he did on the pitch for us.

As for Vokes - CT has listed all those goals and what he achieved at Burnley. He really didn't look like doing much under Eddie Howe. If we hadn't signed him permanently I don't think many would have complained. He looked cumbersome, clumsy and often couldn't hit a barn door. Like Dean Marney, he's another who came alive when Dyche arrived.

Forever grateful to have seen their stunning double act and in Vokes' case, a career packed full of highlights.

Ings didn't have an ACL injury at Burnley - he had two knee injuries but was back far too soon for them to have been ACL. But undoubtedly injuries blighted his time at Liverpool.

Vokes looked anything but good enough until he got his chance under Dyche and never looked back. Another who, like I said about Arfield in the other thread, owed us absolutely nothing when he left.

[Rowls]

Ings didn't have an ACL injury at Burnley - he had two knee injuries but was back far too soon for them to have been ACL. But undoubtedly injuries blighted his time at Liverpool.

Vokes looked anything but good enough until he got his chance under Dyche and never looked back. Another who, like I said about Arfield in the other thread, owed us absolutely nothing when he left.

Had to look up Ings' injury as I could've sworn it was ACL - according to Wikipedia it was torn cartiledge, not an ACL. Kept him out of the side for 6 months in the final Howe/early Dyche period.

[ArmchairDetective]

Get the band back together

[welsbyswife]

I always thought Heath Robinson was a partnership much more suited to Burnley

[ClaretTony]

Had to look up Ings' injury as I could've sworn it was ACL - according to Wikipedia it was torn cartiledge, not an ACL. Kept him out of the side for 6 months in the final Howe/early Dyche period.

Did it pre-season at Rochdale and came back when Pash was in charge at Bristol City in October so just over two months. The one in the previous season was closer to six months but again not ACL.

[Rowls]

I always thought Heath Robinson was a partnership much more suited to Burnley

That was a cobbled together partnership if ever there was one.

Barnes Wallace was more inventive and helped us to our first win at Ewood in 35 years, flooding the lowlands of Blackburn with tears.

[ClaretTony]

Always remember the day Vokes did his ACL against Leicester. Later in the first half, Jamie Vardy was forced off with an injury. Leicester were able to bring on Chris Wood for Vardy and he scored their second goal. We had to bring on David Edgar for Vokes and he gave the first goal away.

[LeadBelly]

Nicely written piece CT.
Very different types of player but both effective and each scored more than 100 club career goals (Sam more than Danny with 28 for Wycombe in that last successful spell).
A very decent international career for Sam too with 64 appearances for Wales (11 goals).
I'm sure we can all remember a few important goals they got for our club.
Hopefully both can keep some sort of career going if they so wish, certainly sounds like big Sam is game to continue.

[Woodleyclaret]

Super Sam scored v QPR at home the goal that guaranteed promotion

[ClaretTony]

Nicely written piece CT.
Very different types of player but both effective and each scored more than 100 club career goals (Sam more than Danny with 28 for Wycombe in that last successful spell).
A very decent international career for Sam too with 64 appearances for Wales (11 goals).
I'm sure we can all remember a few important goals they got for our club.
Hopefully both can keep some sort of career going if they so wish, certainly sounds like big Sam is game to continue.

Very different but that's how it works with two strikers - and two years later, playing a different role, Vokes and Andre Gray also linked up so well.

[ŽižkovClaret]

Imagine they reunited at Accy. You'd get a few down

[Selby Claret]

Always remember the day Vokes did his ACL against Leicester. Later in the first half, Jamie Vardy was forced off with an injury. Leicester were able to bring on Chris Wood for Vardy and he scored their second goal. We had to bring on David Edgar for Vokes and he gave the first goal away.

And it was a hell of a goal - one of the best ive seen from a non-claret (at the time!)

[Foshiznik]

Up until Barnes was signed, Vokes was the best £500k we had ever spent.

[Papabendi]

The goal Ings scored against QPR at home in the promotion season summed up the partnership between Ings and Vokes. I was lucky enough to be behind it live, and it's a goal I have rewatched many times.

[Goliath]

The goal Ings scored against QPR at home in the promotion season summed up the partnership between Ings and Vokes. I was lucky enough to be behind it live, and it's a goal I have rewatched many times.

One of my favourite Burnley goals. The noise of the crowd, the high press, the brilliant football and if I remember rightly it took us top of the league.

[Rowls]

The goal Ings scored against QPR at home in the promotion season summed up the partnership between Ings and Vokes. I was lucky enough to be behind it live, and it's a goal I have rewatched many times.

QPR were freshly down from a year in the PL, awash with parachute payments, had Joey Barton and a number of big earners in their side and were favourites for promotion.

We'd started well - 'against all odds' - and I feared that day would be when our "bubble burst". It didn't.

We put in a marvellous classic early-Dyche performance and won 2-0. Brilliant day and the belief grew stronger.

[Culmclaret]

Ings’s goal at Yeovil was a cracker. Pity it was down the other end but still a thing of beauty.

[ClaretTony]

And it was a hell of a goal - one of the best ive seen from a non-claret (at the time!)

Although it should have been ruled out for a foul on Duff.

[JohnDearyMe]

Nicely written piece CT.
Very different types of player but both effective and each scored more than 100 club career goals (Sam more than Danny with 28 for Wycombe in that last successful spell).
A very decent international career for Sam too with 64 appearances for Wales (11 goals).
I'm sure we can all remember a few important goals they got for our club.
Hopefully both can keep some sort of career going if they so wish, certainly sounds like big Sam is game to continue.

He scored that important goal for Wales against Belgium in the Euros. Cracking header

[warksclaret]

Will remember his two goals when we won at Stamford Bridge for one of our best ever PL results. We went on to finish 7th that season

[Blue Skies]

Sam's dad Tim wasn't a bad signing either amongst the Clarets fans.

[Dark Cloud]

Was chatting to Tim (and you?) in a pub in Hammersmith after the QPR game the other week. He'd been to Orient to Watch Wycombe. He's in good nick is Tim and was great to see him.

[ElectroClaret]

Sam was one of the best headers of the ball we've had at the Turf in recent decades.
And Ingsey scored that winner at Deadwood.
Two great servants for the club. I wish them both well.

[Papabendi]

Although it should have been ruled out for a foul on Duff.

Watched it numerous times and there is no foul. Wood was too strong for Duff who got brushed aside

[ClaretTony]

Watched it numerous times and there is no foul. Wood was too strong for Duff who got brushed aside

I think you are in the minority and I recall the referee Mike Jones getting a blasting on the tv highlights programme for not picking it up.

[Devils_Advocate]

Unbelievable business to bring in Ings, Vokes, Mee and Trippier in one season and definitely laid the groundwork for the 10 years of mind blowing success that followed under Dyche's leadership

[matttheclaret]

Unbelievable business to bring in Ings, Vokes, Mee and Trippier in one season and definitely laid the groundwork for the 10 years of mind blowing success that followed under Dyche's leadership

Also signed Austin and Shackell during his tenure. No doubt that Eddie Howe signed some very good players for us

[Rowls]

Howe signed some exceptional players.

But puzzlingly also Zavon Hines and Dane Richards.

[NickBFC]

Howe signed some exceptional players.

But puzzlingly also Zavon Hines and Dane Richards.

Wasn't Richards a Dyche signing?

[matttheclaret]

I think Richards signed officially in Jan 13 after Dyche took over but it had been set up well before then

[NickBFC]

Ah yes remember now we announced it well in advance of him arriving.

[Rowls]

Wasn't Richards a Dyche signing?

Already answered above but it got me thinking...

A lot of managers make 'panic' buys and snap up players who aren't going good enough. There are two main possible reasons to do this:
1. You simply need more players
2. You're desperate to sign somebody and go for a player who isn't of the required calibre even though all evidence points to it being a waste of time, it is justified with the idea of "taking a punt" on a player.

So for example, when Steve Cotterill arrived and we only had single digits of players on the books the signing of some players might have fitted the first description.
Some signings might fit both categories. The signing of Duane Courtenay and Dane Richards spring to mind - we couldn't really afford a player good enough for us so we bought in somebody who we all knew wasn't good enough but justified it as 'taking a punt'.

This was something that Dyche really didn't do. The only signing he made that immediately comes to mind that could fit into this category would be Ryan Noble. But Dyche clearly knew he wasn't up to it, as he barely played him - he was emergency back up only, so he fits into category 1 rather than cat2 here.

Dyche needs a lot of credit for this because even good managers like Howe panic and buy in dross (see Richards). Dyche as a general rule didn't.

However, we've got to give full credit to Howe for leaving the spine of a great side which allowed Dyche to be picky in his signings.

[aggi]

Already answered above but it got me thinking...

A lot of managers make 'panic' buys and snap up players who aren't going good enough. There are two main possible reasons to do this:
1. You simply need more players
2. You're desperate to sign somebody and go for a player who isn't of the required calibre even though all evidence points to it being a waste of time, it is justified with the idea of "taking a punt" on a player.

So for example, when Steve Cotterill arrived and we only had single digits of players on the books the signing of some players might have fitted the first description.
Some signings might fit both categories. The signing of Duane Courtenay and Dane Richards spring to mind - we couldn't really afford a player good enough for us so we bought in somebody who we all knew wasn't good enough but justified it as 'taking a punt'.

This was something that Dyche really didn't do. The only signing he made that immediately comes to mind that could fit into this category would be Ryan Noble. But Dyche clearly knew he wasn't up to it, as he barely played him - he was emergency back up only, so he fits into category 1 rather than cat2 here.

Dyche needs a lot of credit for this because even good managers like Howe panic and buy in dross (see Richards). Dyche as a general rule didn't.

However, we've got to give full credit to Howe for leaving the spine of a great side which allowed Dyche to be picky in his signings.

I think Dyche probably did it as much as others. Sordell, Crouch and Stephens spring immediately to mind and there were a fair few others who I can only vaguely remember (some Norwegian midfielder for instance).

[Rowls]

I think Dyche probably did it as much as others. Sordell, Crouch and Stephens spring immediately to mind and there were a fair few others who I can only vaguely remember (some Norwegian midfielder for instance).

Sordell to a certain extent but that lad had real potential when he was younger and Dyche was, I think, his manager at youth level.

Crouch was a different kind of signing. He was a wiley old pro of the "he can do a job for us" type.

Stephens was just desperation but the desperation was down to the board not putting up the cash. Dyche wanted Kalvin Phillips when he was at Leeds.

[Goliath]

I thought and still think now the Crouch signing was genius. Vokes was really struggling to play at that level and we got offered a big fee with a backup striker coming the other way, who we knew could cause a nuisance with his height off the bench, probably more so than Vokes as an impact sub at that time.

We basically made about 9 million without really losing much between then and the end of the season. Unfortunately the chairman then decided to hoard the money instead of spend it.

[aggi]

I thought and still think now the Crouch signing was genius. Vokes was really struggling to play at that level and we got offered a big fee with a backup striker coming the other way, who we knew could cause a nuisance with his height off the bench, probably more so than Vokes as an impact sub at that time.

We basically made about 9 million without really losing much between then and the end of the season. Unfortunately the chairman then decided to hoard the money instead of spend it.

He was involved in 6 games for us of which we drew 1 and lost 5. The season would probably have panned out pretty much the same without Crouch.

Given he was struggling at the level below it felt pretty much like we were taking a punt.

[equinox]

Dyche wanted Kalvin Phillips when he was at Leeds.

I bet he did.

[Goliath]

He was involved in 6 games for us of which we drew 1 and lost 5. The season would probably have panned out pretty much the same without Crouch.

Given he was struggling at the level below it felt pretty much like we were taking a punt.

We are sort of agreeing. Neither he or Vokes were really going to have much effect, but one way meant we made 9 million and it got us 1 extra point. I doubt Vokes would have achieved much more than that.

[Papabendi]

I think you are in the minority and I recall the referee Mike Jones getting a blasting on the tv highlights programme for not picking it up.

I’m in the minority with Michael Duff, who didn’t appeal for a foul

[ClaretTony]

I’m in the minority with Michael Duff, who didn’t appeal for a foul

Makes you right then - well done

[Bordeauxclaret]

I think you are in the minority and I recall the referee Mike Jones getting a blasting on the tv highlights programme for not picking it up.

Mike Jones wasn’t the referee.

Chris Foy replaced him as referee prior to the game.

[distortiondave]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HpjIjvYv7Y

I'd be disappointed if a Burnley goal is ruled out for that.

[Papabendi]

exactly.