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Play Off Revenue

Post by Commy » Sat May 24, 2025 12:51 pm

If you win the lower league play offs you end up losing money :lol: .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDtrYQxYHqY

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Re: Play Off Revenue

Post by KRBFC » Sat May 24, 2025 4:20 pm

I saw the Championship play offs is now worth minimum £220m to the winner. What do we get for 2nd? Has the TV money really gone up that much?

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Re: Play Off Revenue

Post by Darnhill Claret » Sat May 24, 2025 6:07 pm

We get the same.
The 'value' to the winner of the Play Off Final is based on projected Premier League payments and TV revenues.

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Re: Play Off Revenue

Post by Commy » Sat May 24, 2025 6:14 pm

Sunderland will most probably have lost money today but they have the bonus of the Premier League money to come.

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Re: Play Off Revenue

Post by colne-claret » Sat May 24, 2025 6:26 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Sat May 24, 2025 4:20 pm
I saw the Championship play offs is now worth minimum £220m to the winner. What do we get for 2nd? Has the TV money really gone up that much?
I could be wrong but isn’t it exactly the same?

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Re: Play Off Revenue

Post by RVclaret » Sat May 24, 2025 6:28 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Sat May 24, 2025 4:20 pm
I saw the Championship play offs is now worth minimum £220m to the winner. What do we get for 2nd? Has the TV money really gone up that much?
It’s the exact same, but that number entails PL revenue yr 1 (inc tv money, merit payment and extra revenue from sponsors, gate receipts etc) and parachute payments yr 1 and 2 should relegation occur.

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Re: Play Off Revenue

Post by BigF » Sat May 24, 2025 6:28 pm

Was there an unwritten agreement between the two teams that the winning team gave the possible gate receipts etc to the losing team?
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Re: Play Off Revenue

Post by Roosterbooster » Sat May 24, 2025 6:28 pm

Commy wrote:
Sat May 24, 2025 12:51 pm
If you win the lower league play offs you end up losing money :lol: .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDtrYQxYHqY
I dont buy this argument. In fact, I'd go as far as saying its just plain dumb

Promotion bonuses will be paid by both Burnley and Leeds
Neither will get as much money as Sunderland for the playoff games

But the revenue gained from being in a higher league will more than cover it

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Re: Play Off Revenue

Post by Commy » Sat May 24, 2025 6:34 pm

Roosterbooster wrote:
Sat May 24, 2025 6:28 pm
I dont buy this argument. In fact, I'd go as far as saying its just plain dumb

Promotion bonuses will be paid by both Burnley and Leeds
Neither will get as much money as Sunderland for the playoff games

But the revenue gained from being in a higher league will more than cover it
But this is about the play off revenue. We weren't in the play offs.

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Re: Play Off Revenue

Post by Roosterbooster » Sat May 24, 2025 6:37 pm

Commy wrote:
Sat May 24, 2025 6:34 pm
But this is about the play off revenue. We weren't in the play offs.
I'm aware of that

The point is that you get more money the following year to more than cover the bonuses

If you go up via the playoffs, then you get extra income from merchandise and ticket revenue

So you don't lose money if you win the playoffs

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Re: Play Off Revenue

Post by ecc » Sat May 24, 2025 6:40 pm

Commy wrote:
Sat May 24, 2025 6:34 pm
But this is about the play off revenue. We weren't in the play offs.
Thank God. Scott Parker and the lads ensured we were spared what happened to Sheffield United.
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Re: Play Off Revenue

Post by ClaretTony » Sat May 24, 2025 7:18 pm

BigF wrote:
Sat May 24, 2025 6:28 pm
Was there an unwritten agreement between the two teams that the winning team gave the possible gate receipts etc to the losing team?
I believe it is or definitely was an unwritten agreement.

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Re: Play Off Revenue

Post by dougcollins » Sat May 24, 2025 7:29 pm

Started as a charitable act and continued as a tradition.

I suppose you could refer to it as an unwritten agreement.

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Re: Play Off Revenue

Post by Quickenthetempo » Sun May 25, 2025 9:56 am

dougcollins wrote:
Sat May 24, 2025 7:29 pm
Started as a charitable act and continued as a tradition.

I suppose you could refer to it as an unwritten agreement.
Not sure it was a charitable act, more likely two chairman got together before the game and hedged their bets.

Barry Kilby did something similar before our fa cup tie at Watford. It just means both teams benefit a little instead of one side a lot.
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Re: Play Off Revenue

Post by Clive 1960 » Sun May 25, 2025 12:11 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Sun May 25, 2025 9:56 am
Not sure it was a charitable act, more likely two chairman got together before the game and hedged their bets.

Barry Kilby did something similar before our fa cup tie at Watford. It just means both teams benefit a little instead of one side a lot.
correct they halved the prize money whoever got to the semi final i heard , wonder if Stan regrets putting Blake and Little on the bench that afternoon as it was a strange decision..

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Re: Play Off Revenue

Post by summitclaret » Sun May 25, 2025 12:39 pm

Clive 1960 wrote:
Sun May 25, 2025 12:11 pm
correct they halved the prize money whoever got to the semi final i heard , wonder if Stan regrets putting Blake and Little on the bench that afternoon as it was a strange decision..
I wouldn’t ask him if you see him, if I was you. :lol:

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Re: Play Off Revenue

Post by dsr » Sun May 25, 2025 11:48 pm

So far as I know the two chairmen usually mutually agree that the loser can have both lots of gate money, in the Champ/PL playoff at least. There is no reason why a chairman can't say no, not this year, but they always take the rational view that if they go up the gate money is a tiny drop of their income next year, if they stay down it's a big chunk, so they get greater utility (economics term, I think!) by agreeing the deal.

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