ARTICLE: Bundesliga move for Assignon

[ClaretTony]

Signed for VfB Stuttgart

See link
https://www.uptheclarets.com/bundesliga ... r-assignon

[fidelcastro]

His theatrics will suit the bundesliga well.

[NewClaret]

Whilst I accept fidelcastro’s point about him being theatrical, I thought he was a very good player who Parker could’ve developed very well.

He just needed to cut that out of his game and improve his defending a bit and he’d have been excellent.

Feel Stuttgart have got a very good deal there for his age and experience, and a fantastic one if he continues his development.

Hope we were t in for him because we have an alternative lined up!

[Lakeland Claret]

Also joins Jacob Brun Larsen there at Stuttgart . He signed in January . https://www.vfb.de/en/vfb/latest/news/p ... une%202027.

[ClaretTony]

Also joins Jacob Brun Larsen there at Stuttgart . He signed in January . https://www.vfb.de/en/vfb/latest/news/p ... une%202027.

I’d forgotten all about JBL when I wrote the article. I’ll get it amended when I can.

[burnmark]

I still cringe about his antics at Chelsea!

[Goliath]

I think he was wrongly grouped in with some of the others who seemed to be mercenaries who didn't give a toss. He'd basically been a 1 club man up until then and really seemed to buy into the cause.

He was a bit immature but no more than someone like Hannibal.

[Woodleyclaret]

Hannibal has developed tremendously under SPs tutelage into a top cm and we will see this next season

[gandhisflipflop]

He’s a French Tyrone Mears.

[Goliath]

Hannibal has developed tremendously under SPs tutelage into a top cm and we will see this next season

Exactly. Assignon was far less of an extreme case so I'm sure there'd have been no prpblem

[Claret86]

He’s a French Tyrone Mears.

Good description

[RVclaret]

Assignon was one of the highest chance creating defenders in the PL last season on a per 90 basis. For a team that was relegated that’s quite impressive. He was also a top performing right back in Ligue 1 this season, hence a massive club in Germany are willing to pay €15m for him. Improved us last season and hopefully we can bring in others of the same calibre.

[NewClaret]

Assignon was one of the highest chance creating defenders in the PL last season on a per 90 basis. For a team that was relegated that’s quite impressive. He was also a top performing right back in Ligue 1 this season, hence a massive club in Germany are willing to pay €15m for him. Improved us last season and hopefully we can bring in others of the same calibre.

Yeah but he tried to win us a penalty in the dying minutes against Spurs when we were getting relegated and desperately needed a goal - and he was a bit theatrical. So don’t come on here with all your facts proving he was one of the best right backs in the Premier League and Ligue Un, that’s not important

[ClaretTony]

Assignon was one of the highest chance creating defenders in the PL last season on a per 90 basis.

Well I’ve learned something. Still don’t think he was anything like good enough though.

[Goliath]

He was a far better player than Roberts in basically every aspect of the game.

[NewClaret]

Well I’ve learned something. Still don’t think he was anything like good enough though.

Probably because those stats refer to his attacking qualities, which were his greatest strength, not his defending. Defensively he needed work, but to be fair, he only had half a season. You’d expect him to get better at his age with a good coach and when he settled in to English football.

I’ll be absolutely delighted if we end up with a better right back than him come August. Which we must think exists or presumably we’d have made an effort to resign him.

[NewClaret]

He was a far better player than Roberts in basically every aspect of the game.

I love Roberts in the same way I love Barnes. But you can’t argue with this.

[ClaretTony]

Probably because those stats refer to his attacking qualities, which were his greatest strength, not his defending. Defensively he needed work, but to be fair, he only had half a season. You’d expect him to get better at his age with a good coach and when he settled in to English football.

I’ll be absolutely delighted if we end up with a better right back than him come August. Which we must think exists or presumably we’d have made an effort to resign him.

Why would you presume we’d have made an effort to resign him?

[NewClaret]

Why would you presume we’d have made an effort to resign him?

Well, firstly I think we’ll be looking to sign a right back. In which case…

He’s someone obviously on the club/recruitment teams radar as we’ve signed him before, knows the club and we know him. We tried to sign him permanently from what I understand so as a club must hold him in high regard. He did well last time and we improved a lot in the second half of the season (although I’d say Esteve were a more critical factor in that, his contribution can’t be overlooked), which is backed up by the stats RV states and him having a great season in ligue 1. He still follows the club on socials and posts about the club occasionally so I assume he left on good terms. Plus, and maybe most critically, he is relatively cheap. I’ll be surprised if we get someone better for less than £12m, anyway. And to top it all off, it’s a deal Stuttgart have done early and I assume we’re looking to make as many additions as possible before the season starts and ideally before pre-season so Parker gets to work with them. Ticks a lot of boxes.

So overall, I’d have just expected we’d have made an effort to sign him if we didn’t have preferred alternatives in mind. Like I say, I’ll be delighted if we start the season with a better right back than Assignon.

We may of course have tried to and he didn’t fancy it, which you can understand having scrapped relegation for a few years in France now.

[ClaretTony]

Well, firstly I think we’ll be looking to sign a right back. In which case…

He’s someone obviously on the club/recruitment teams radar as we’ve signed him before, knows the club and we know him. We tried to sign him permanently from what I understand so as a club must hold him in high regard. He did well last time and we improved a lot in the second half of the season (although I’d say Esteve were a more critical factor in that, his contribution can’t be overlooked), which is backed up by the stats RV states and him having a great season in ligue 1. He still follows the club on socials and posts about the club occasionally so I assume he left on good terms. Plus, and maybe most critically, he is relatively cheap. I’ll be surprised if we get someone better for less than £12m, anyway. And to top it all off, it’s a deal Stuttgart have done early and I assume we’re looking to make as many additions as possible before the season starts and ideally before pre-season so Parker gets to work with them. Ticks a lot of boxes.

So overall, I’d have just expected we’d have made an effort to sign him if we didn’t have preferred alternatives in mind. Like I say, I’ll be delighted if we start the season with a better right back than Assignon.

We may of course have tried to and he didn’t fancy it, which you can understand having scrapped relegation for a few years in France now.

I would hope we weren’t trying to sign him. I saw nothing at all to suggest he was good enough and the thought of him playing in a Parker team never entered my head.

[NewClaret]

I would hope we weren’t trying to sign him. I saw nothing at all to suggest he was good enough and the thought of him playing in a Parker team never entered my head.

Well I do think it’s fair to say Parker seems to go for a very different style of player and as admitted in the previous post, Parker seems to be much more conservative with how he uses fullbacks (although Pires got forward a lot more than Roberts I thought, so maybe that’s a personnel issue too) and he needed work defensively. But I don’t really see how you could form the view he wasn’t good enough in an attacking sense. I thought he looked superb, which seems to be backed up by RV’s stats.

Irrelevant really now, since we didn’t go in for him, just have to hope we have someone better lined up. By that I mean someone with the same hieght, pace and ability going forward but hopefully more experienced in this division and a better defender. I think that’ll be a tough ask for £12m though.

[Rowls]

Fascinating how we all watch the same stuff and have such different opinions.

I’m in the pro Assignon camp. Thought he was a raw but supremely talented young footballer who I’d have loved to have signed.

His attacking intent was particularly impressive. If we’d had him in a disciplined SP team it might have frustrated him or it might have brought on his weaker elements.

I wouldn’t be surprised if he ends up an international player.

[CyrilEbokiPoh]

Excellent stats in France last season. Our entire team the time he was here were a shambles. And on a hiding to nothing. He certainly looked to have pace, technique and desire. That said he doesn’t stand out in the list of loans or right backs we’ve ever had. But again who did that season?

[ClaretTony]

But I don’t really see how you could form the view he wasn’t good enough in an attacking sense. I thought he looked superb, which seems to be backed up by RV’s stats.

I didn't suggest an attacking sense, I just don't think he was good enough and I was also at Spurs that day when his attitude shone through. Not for me, as for the stats, I prefer to use my eyes.

[NewClaret]

Fascinating how we all watch the same stuff and have such different opinions.

I’m in the pro Assignon camp. Thought he was a raw but supremely talented young footballer who I’d have loved to have signed.

His attacking intent was particularly impressive. If we’d had him in a disciplined SP team it might have frustrated him or it might have brought on his weaker elements.

I wouldn’t be surprised if he ends up an international player.

Me either.

Interestingly, I thought he was similar to Maatsen. Great going forward, development needed defensively but really high potential under the right coaching. I’ll get pelters for this, but I’d have taken him over Maatsen last summer and the price difference made him look particularly good value to me.

In the premier league I feel we need a balance. 80% of games will be very one sided where we just defend so I can see why he’s not the right profile for them. But the other 20% where they might be more even we have to win against our relegation competition. The goal Assignon created vs Sheffield United at a critical point in the game is a good example of how he did that. And he could score too.

Either way, I think we need pace, height and physicality in that position now.

[NewClaret]

I didn't suggest an attacking sense, I just don't think he was good enough and I was also at Spurs that day when his attitude shone through. Not for me, as for the stats, I prefer to use my eyes.

The Spurs thing was a blot on his copybook. Although I looked back at the Spurs thread the other day and posters on there were adamant it was a penalty. I remember the commentators saying it was at first too. It wasn’t but I don’t personally hold that against him - it was last ditch stuff but worth a try and any contact whatsoever won pens that season (Ramsey away at Villa). I think it’s the European way but most definitely not the English way. He’d have learned, I think.

The fact he was in the box on his own getting challenged by Son sort of summed him up as a right back though.

Anyway, not to be but I hope it’s an area we address. Tete at Fulham on a free would be my top pick now.

[Cirrus_Minor]

I think he ok as an attacking fullback but poor as a defender, which is a bit of a drawback when this should be a fullbacks priority. But probably typical of a premier league season where defending was never in evidence as being anything like a priority.

[quoonbeatz]

Having one of our players go and tell another to get up and stop acting is probably the most embarrassing thing I’ve seen happen at this club. Happily not have anyone like that playing for us. He was an ok player at the time but no more.

[ClaretTony]

The Spurs thing was a blot on his copybook. Although I looked back at the Spurs thread the other day and posters on there were adamant it was a penalty. I remember the commentators saying it was at first too. It wasn’t but I don’t personally hold that against him - it was last ditch stuff but worth a try and any contact whatsoever won pens that season (Ramsey away at Villa). I think it’s the European way but most definitely not the English way. He’d have learned, I think.

The fact he was in the box on his own getting challenged by Son sort of summed him up as a right back though.

Anyway, not to be but I hope it’s an area we address. Tete at Fulham on a free would be my top pick now.

It was his behaviour after he went down and didn’t get the pen. But I was pleased we didn’t sign him last summer, didn’t rate him at all.

[aggi]

The Spurs thing was a blot on his copybook. Although I looked back at the Spurs thread the other day and posters on there were adamant it was a penalty. I remember the commentators saying it was at first too. It wasn’t but I don’t personally hold that against him - it was last ditch stuff but worth a try and any contact whatsoever won pens that season (Ramsey away at Villa). I think it’s the European way but most definitely not the English way. He’d have learned, I think.

The fact he was in the box on his own getting challenged by Son sort of summed him up as a right back though.

Anyway, not to be but I hope it’s an area we address. Tete at Fulham on a free would be my top pick now.

It was less the comedy dive, more the refusing to get up whilst play was continuing on (although in his defence this seems to have become the thing now, players just lie on the floor until a VAR check happens, so he was just a trailblazer).

[Goliath]

Having one of our players go and tell another to get up and stop acting is probably the most embarrassing thing I’ve seen happen at this club. Happily not have anyone like that playing for us. He was an ok player at the time but no more.

Being told to get up and manhandled by a player who apparently refused to play in a game and squared up to the COO in order to get himself a move. I know whose behaviour I find more deplorable and it's not the one who was slightly dramatic when going down.

[ClaretTony]

Being told to get up and manhandled by a player who apparently refused to play in a game and squared up to the COO in order to get himself a move. I know whose behaviour I find more deplorable and it's not the one who was slightly dramatic when going down.

Didn't he play in the first two games? Wasn't it Berge who was mysteriously absent?

[RVclaret]

He was obviously clipped which is why he went down and was so adamant there was a foul. Just because it didn’t ’look like’ a clear trip doesn’t mean he wasn’t. For him to be upset about this, given we desperately needed a goal, is far from the most embarrassing thing I’ve ever seen at the club.

[NL Claret]

Didn't he play in the first two games? Wasn't it Berge who was mysteriously absent?

UTC posters were big fans of Berge so no mention of his absence.

UTC posters read a rumour of former player “squaring up” to the chief executive and he becomes public enemy no. 1.

[quoonbeatz]

He was obviously clipped which is why he went down and was so adamant there was a foul. Just because it didn’t ’look like’ a clear trip doesn’t mean he wasn’t. For him to be upset about this, given we desperately needed a goal, is far from the most embarrassing thing I’ve ever seen at the club.

He rolled around on the floor pretending to be injured, when he didn’t get a penalty, for so long he had to be pulled up by a teammate as play went on. Doesn’t matter if he was clipped on not, he acted like a 5 year old.

[quoonbeatz]

Being told to get up and manhandled by a player who apparently refused to play in a game and squared up to the COO in order to get himself a move. I know whose behaviour I find more deplorable and it's not the one who was slightly dramatic when going down.

Well, you know, ones is a rumour and one I know happened as I saw it with my own eyes so I’m pretty sure I can make that call.

[Bordeauxclaret]

Didn't he play in the first two games? Wasn't it Berge who was mysteriously absent?

A few people were telling us Berge was injured in a behind closed doors game.

[Rileybobs]

O’Shea scored against Luton and celebrated like a mad-man. Certainly didn’t look like he was desperate to get out, but who knows.

[NewClaret]

He was obviously clipped which is why he went down and was so adamant there was a foul. Just because it didn’t ’look like’ a clear trip doesn’t mean he wasn’t. For him to be upset about this, given we desperately needed a goal, is far from the most embarrassing thing I’ve ever seen at the club.

Whether he was clipped or not, I’m not sure. I definitely thought he was on TV initially, as did the comms (Lee Dixon I think it was), then I saw a replay that looked like he was and another definitely not, but they only really showed them once.

What I thought was really odd about it was he was just receiving the ball when he collapsed on the floor. He was in a great position to either burst in the box and shoot himself or cross to Fofana who was square with a tap in.

So incredibly frustrating that he would do that in a good attacking position unless he at least thought he was clipped. Then I think he stayed down to make sure VAR couldn’t just ignore it.

It was all a bit theatrical but certainly nowhere near something I’d considering the most embarrassing I’ve seen. It wasn’t even the most embarrassing thing that season. I can remember about 5 things the club, fans and management did that year I’d consider more embarrassing

Given we were a few minutes off being relegated, I think he was entitled to try and win us a penalty in the circumstances.

[Jimmymaccer]

Yeah but he tried to win us a penalty in the dying minutes against Spurs when we were getting relegated and desperately needed a goal - and he was a bit theatrical. So don’t come on here with all your facts proving he was one of the best right backs in the Premier League and Ligue Un, that’s not important

“A bit theatrical”!!!right in front of us ………….almost Laurel &Hardy esq!!!! Brightened up our afternoon at Spurs that day for sure……

[NewClaret]

It was less the comedy dive, more the refusing to get up whilst play was continuing on (although in his defence this seems to have become the thing now, players just lie on the floor until a VAR check happens, so he was just a trailblazer).

Yep, at least we were pioneers of something that season

It’s a very good point though, that maybe the whole team were told to stay down to make sure VAR takes a good look at everything.

Given the importance of the game, and given the number of very poor VAR decisions we’d had given against us over the course of the season, it wouldn’t shock me if we’d given instructions to make the most of things and force VAR checks.

[Goliath]

Well, you know, ones is a rumour and one I know happened as I saw it with my own eyes so I’m pretty sure I can make that call.

A rumour that apparently came directly from the COO, a man who has a long history of saying more than he should.
Funny that you disregard the one that contradicts your view slightly.

Do you not think it was unprofessional of O'Shea to make such a big scene of it at Spurs and start nearly fighting with his own teammate. I definitely did. I don't care whether he had a right to be annoyed, you don't do what he did out on the pitch. You wait until you're in the changing room.

[quoonbeatz]

A rumour that apparently came directly from the COO, a man who has a long history of saying more than he should.
Funny that you disregard the one that contradicts your view slightly.

I haven’t disregarded it. I said it was a rumour , which you ‘apparently’ agree with and if someone asks me which of two things I find more deplorable then I’m always going to go with something I know actually happened because I saw it with my own eyes. It also doesn’t contradict my view because I’ve never mentioned anything about O’Shea until you brought him up.

Do you not think it was unprofessional of O'Shea to make such a big scene of it at Spurs and start nearly fighting with his own teammate. I definitely did. I don't care whether he had a right to be annoyed, you don't do what he did out on the pitch. You wait until you're in the changing room.

There was only one player acting unprofessionally at Spurs and that was Assignon. It says a lot when your own teammates are telling you to get up and get on with the game. More players should be doing what O’Shea did; play acting and feigning injury like Assignon was is embarrassing for the player himself, his teammates, his club and the game as a whole. Imagine trying to cheat and having your own teammates call you out on it. Everyone was laughing at him, including us.

[ClaretTony]

Do you not think it was unprofessional of O'Shea to make such a big scene of it at Spurs and start nearly fighting with his own teammate. I definitely did. I don't care whether he had a right to be annoyed, you don't do what he did out on the pitch. You wait until you're in the changing room.

Are you serious? He wouldn't get up, the game couldn't restart, our players wanted to restart and so O'Shea didn't make a big scene at all, and he definitely didn't nearly start fighting. All he did was his best to get the game moving again. It was right in front of the Burnley fans and I reckon, given a chance, most of them would have gone on and dragged Assignon off.

How you can point any bit of that at O'Shea's door is way beyond me.

[Wokingclaret]

For what its worth I liked Assignon, definitely a good player in there!

I think you can excuse some behaviours of our players, they were swore at and wound up by the manger beforehand

[Goliath]

Are you serious? He wouldn't get up, the game couldn't restart, our players wanted to restart and so O'Shea didn't make a big scene at all, and he definitely didn't nearly start fighting. All he did was his best to get the game moving again. It was right in front of the Burnley fans and I reckon, given a chance, most of them would have gone on and dragged Assignon off.

How you can point any bit of that at O'Shea's door is way beyond me.

Support your teammates on the pitch. Criticise them behind closed doors. I don't care what Assignon had done, O Sheas behaviour wasn't acceptable either for me.

Would you have supported a teammate having a go at Hannibal for getting himself sent off with an idiotic stamp against Stoke?
If anything it just reflected the poor morale within the team.

Also I've seen Barnes do similar many a time, maybe with less dramatics but he's regularly gone down and then argued with refs whilst staying on the ground. Obviously nobody says anything then. I won't speculate as to why that would be.

[ClaretTony]

Support your teammates on the pitch. Criticise them behind closed doors. I don't care what Assignon had done, O Sheas behaviour wasn't acceptable either for me.

Would you have supported a teammate having a go at Hannibal for getting himself sent off with an idiotic stamp against Stoke?
If anything it just reflected the poor morale within the team.

Also I've seen Barnes do similar many a time, maybe with less dramatics but he's regularly gone down and then argued with refs whilst staying on the ground. Obviously nobody says anything then. I won't speculate as to why that would be.

Good grief. Have you actually seen the incident? You can’t compare with Hannibal. He was rightly sent off and went. Assignon behaved like a spoilt child and was holding the game up. I remain convinced also that had O’Shea not intervened he’d have been sent off.

[Goliath]

Good grief. Have you actually seen the incident? You can’t compare with Hannibal. He was rightly sent off and went. Assignon behaved like a spoilt child and was holding the game up. I remain convinced also that had O’Shea not intervened he’d have been sent off.

You think Assignons behaviour was worse than Hannibal's? Was Hannibal not acting like a spoilt child?
No chance he'd have been sent off, you've made that up to try and support your argument.

[ClaretTony]

You think Assignons behaviour was worse than Hannibal's? Was Hannibal not acting like a spoilt child?
No chance he'd have been sent off, you've made that up to try and support your argument.

You introduced Hannibal, not me. The incidents were incomparible. One was rightly sent off, as I’ve already said.

You don’t think Assignon behaved like a spoilt child but I and a lot of Burnley fans there found his behaviour totally unacceptable as did his team mates on the pitch.

That’s my view. You won’t change it so there’s no need to reply. But I was thankful he left at the end of the season.

[quoonbeatz]

You think Assignons behaviour was worse than Hannibal’s?

Yep, 100% it was.