Applications open to join Fan Advisory Board

[Leisure]

https://x.com/Russdball/status/19323711 ... lEfYw&s=19

[LincsWoldsClaret]

The usual assumption that anyone interested will be on X/Twitter.

[clarets1978]

The usual assumption that anyone interested will be on X/Twitter.

Its on the official site, dont need any type of social media to know

[Claretnick]

The usual assumption that anyone interested will be on X/Twitter.

Bloody hell!

[Leisure]

The usual assumption that anyone interested will be on X/Twitter.

How would you suggest that they should inform fans?

[LincsWoldsClaret]

How would you suggest that they should inform fans?

They have the contact details of everyone who has joined - seems straightforward

[Leisure]

They have the contact details of everyone who has joined - seems straightforward

Joined what?

[Rileybobs]

They have the contact details of everyone who has joined - seems straightforward

I don't think the people who have joined the FAB need to be contacted to be invited to join the FAB.

[Foshiznik]

Be interested to see how many of those posters on here and on social media over the last couple years who have lambasted the FAB and it's members will apply this time around.

[bobinho]

Seems a positive step. Shame we can’t all see it like that.

Really wish I could be involved, but I’ve far too much on to take this as well. Needs the attention it deserves and I’m not sure I can devote the time that would be needed. Fair play and well done to those that can.

[FCBurnley]

The comments on here show exactly how difficult it will be to create a workable FAB. This is only the application stage !!!

[Goliath]

What an unproductive way to spend your time. No thanks

[Row x]

The comments on here show exactly how difficult it will be to create a workable FAB. This is only the application stage !!!

Yet people pay to join a non independent, "independent" supporters group, who may,or may not have an input.

[Leisure]

Yet people pay to join a non independent, "independent" supporters group, who may,or may not have an input.

How is it non independent??

[GetIntoEm]

Twilight zone thread this. Can't work out what's going on

[ClaretTony]

Yet people pay to join a non independent, "independent" supporters group, who may,or may not have an input.

The Independent Supporters Association is very much independent.

[aggi]

Yet people pay to join a non independent, "independent" supporters group, who may,or may not have an input.

They're two completely different things though (and there are plenty of Supporters' Associations out there who still do important work without the club formally engaging with them {arguably when it gets to that point that is when they are most needed}).

[Orangebernard]

Yet people pay to join a non independent, "independent" supporters group, who may,or may not have an input.

Hi Row x, what is it that makes you certain that the ISA are not independent of the football club and how do you believe they are linked?

[Bow]

Applications to join my People’s Fan Advisory Board opening shortly

[Leisure]

Applications to join my People’s Fan Advisory Board opening shortly

But are you non independent or independent???

[Row x]

Hi Row x, what is it that makes you certain that the ISA are not independent of the football club and how do you believe they are linked?

I'm certain they are independent from the football club
Not so certain they can be independent from other supporter groups
But wish them well

[ClaretTony]

I'm certain they are independent from the football club
Not so certain they can be independent from other supporter groups
But wish them well

I can confirm that the new ISA welcomes other supporters clubs to become members but are 100% independent of them.

[dougcollins]

When anyone says F.A.B. I just think of Thunderbirds.

[Devils_Advocate]

I think its really good that the club has several fan/supporters group and whilst FAB is obviously the more prominent and important group I think it is great to have these junior groups who can support FAB and maybe have the scope to pick some more edge case trivial stuff that FAB doesn't have capacity for.

Anyone who gets involved with any of the groups should be commended and people shouldn't be snobbish about these junior groups as FAB can't cover everything

[Row x]

I can confirm that the new ISA welcomes other supporters clubs to become members but are 100% independent of them.

Hypothetically, this new group think differently about an issue than the other groups, which way do those involved in both jump?
Like I said I wish them all well.

[Orangebernard]

Hypothetically, this new group think differently about an issue than the other groups, which way do those involved in both jump?
Like I said I wish them all well.

The names of the volunteers that have established the ISA are listed on their website and are acting as interim officers until an AGM where anyone can nominate themselves to take up a role. I’m sure there will be members of ISA who are also members of a supporters club too bearing in mind that the ISA isn’t a supporters club but is an association focussed on different issues maybe. As the ISA is a democratic association it will put the issues forward that are determined and prioritised by its members even if individual officers have a different opinion.

[ClaretTony]

Hypothetically, this new group think differently about an issue than the other groups, which way do those involved in both jump?
Like I said I wish them all well.

I’m not with you at all. People have differing views and are entitled to them in any subject but the ISA will always seek views of their members.

[Row x]

I’m not with you at all. People have differing views and are entitled to them in any subject but the ISA will always seek views of their members.

Of course people have differing views, exactly as it should be.
But which group would you back if ones you were involved with wanted different outcomes?
I don't have a problem with the new group, and may well join when the set up is confirmed, just at present it doesn't feel that independent to me. Like you say we have differing views.

[BurnleyFC ISA]

Hello Row x. In reading your responses, would you mind answering the following: as someone currently onlooking, what more could BFC ISA do to be (or even appear to be, in your case) more independent? Thank you.

[Den_Perry]

Probably one of either:

a) elect Row x as supreme leader just to make sure it is really independent because they are (hopefully) not involved with any other supporters association

b) ensure the ISA is 100% independent by affiliating it with Accrington Stanley instead of Burnley

On a separate note, if Row X is one of those daft lads who sit behind me, I wouldn’t make them a member of the ISA as they ALWAYS leave on 85 mins and also think the Rapidz Spot On game is the best half time entertainment we have ever had aside from the Swankypants Dog Troupe and Chico.

[Leisure]

I think its really good that the club has several fan/supporters group and whilst FAB is obviously the more prominent and important group I think it is great to have these junior groups who can support FAB and maybe have the scope to pick some more edge case trivial stuff that FAB doesn't have capacity for.

Anyone who gets involved with any of the groups should be commended and people shouldn't be snobbish about these junior groups as FAB can't cover everything

'trivial stuff', 'junior groups'? Care to explain or have you just got your rod out again?

[Leisure]

I'm certain they are independent from the football club
Not so certain they can be independent from other supporter groups

So really you don't actually know!

[Row x]

Hello Row x. In reading your responses, would you mind answering the following: as someone currently onlooking, what more could BFC ISA do to be (or even appear to be, in your case) more independent? Thank you.

Firstly, as I've already said I wish you nothing but good luck, and hope you're successful
To me, something to be called independent, it should be stand alone, totally separate from any other similar organisation, run by people who are not involved elsewhere.
Reading your release, that's doesn't appear to be the case at present.
Now it might be a good thing to have people with experience involved, I wouldn't disagree with that, but in my opinion, and that's all it is, it shouldn't be called independent. No biggie.

[Clovius Boofus]

Some of the criticism the club receives is no doubt justified, but by heck, some people don't half do some bottom of the barrel scraping. It's like they can't wait to stick both boots in. They get so giddy in their rush pour scorn, that they don't even bother to fully equate themselves with what they are acuually criticising. Only fools rush in, as they say.

[daveisaclaret]

Far be it from me to give advice to the ISA but the absolute last thing they need to do is placate messageboard trolls who need a new username every 12 months.

[Clovius Boofus]

Now it might be a good thing to have people with experience involved, I wouldn't disagree with that, but in my opinion, and that's all it is, it shouldn't be called independent. No biggie.

Then why even bother with the quibble?

[ClaretTony]

Of course people have differing views, exactly as it should be.
But which group would you back if ones you were involved with wanted different outcomes?
I don't have a problem with the new group, and may well join when the set up is confirmed, just at present it doesn't feel that independent to me. Like you say we have differing views.

I'm sorry but I really don't understand you.

The ISA has been set up independently of any other group and when decisions need to be made, those decisions will be determined by what the ISA members want, it really is as simple as that. When it comes to voting, it will always be one member/one vote.

I've explained, and I've been involved for some time, the new Burnley FC ISA is totally independent.

[Rick_Muller]

this thread reminds me of this classic

https://youtu.be/WboggjN_G-4?si=GQb5rUyE8jwnMv_A

[Elizabeth]

'trivial stuff', 'junior groups'? Care to explain or have you just got your rod out again?

I suppose until people see how the said 'Independent Supporters Association' is finally set up and what things they want to try and get involved in, it can be described as a small group of meaningful fans regardless of how many pay their subscription. Especially if the club are in practice unwilling to engage with it unlike the Fan Advisory Board.

[ClaretTony]

I suppose until people see how the said 'Independent Supporters Association' is finally set up and what things they want to try and get involved in, it can be described as a small group of fans regardless of how many pay their subscription. Especially if the club are in practice unwilling to engage with it unlike the Fan Advisory Board.

The club have already shown a willingness to engage. And the ISA will get involved in what its members want it to get involved in.

[Elizabeth]

The club have already shown a willingness to engage. And the ISA will get involved in what its members want it to get involved in.

Early days it is and anything that helps both the club and fans be properly represented is a good thing. Models where all fans are given the same chance to have their opinion known have to be applauded. Those fans who don't want a say in forums, surveys etc will likely have a little moan like all fans do but I hope those fans who want to be more actively involved in supporters groups, FAB and ISA at least feel they have been listened to.
As I have read from you, supporters group have been encouraged to join the new ISA and the ISA elected representatives will encourage their members to apply to join FAB

[Foshiznik]

Will there be an ISA representative in the FAB? I think it would be a useful "in" if there is. Seemed to me that more FAB members have been more receptive and promoted more feedback from others in recent months and doing so more accurately measures the fan's views, concerns and happiness.

[Leisure]

I suppose until people see how the said 'Independent Supporters Association' is finally set up and what things they want to try and get involved in, it can be described as a small group of meaningful fans regardless of how many pay their subscription. Especially if the club are in practice unwilling to engage with it unlike the Fan Advisory Board.

How does any of that relate to the 'trivial stuff' or 'junior groups' references which he made?

[Big Vinny K]

Well this thread as certainly gone a bit weird !

Different fans with different views wanting different outcomes. Who on earth would want to be involved in something as radical as that ?

And I agree whilst it sounds like it’s independent and it may even actually be independent it cannot be truly independent….probably…..or probably not.

[Chester Perry]

A lot of 'discussion' over something that is fairly well defined in Football terms. where Independent means not being organised or run by or on behalf of the club. There are lots of these already with some overlapping and some different functions, though in the main based on social and travel relationships.

The new group under discussion and in formation appears to be much more motivated by the notions of the Football Supporters Association to which I believe it is to be an associate.

The Clarets Trust was supposed to be the kind of actor that this new organisation wants to be but from what I have seen has never taken to that mission, with some people involved in this having been involved in the formation of that only to walk away from that in great disappointment at what it manifested into very early on.

[dougcollins]

The Clarets Trust was supposed to be the kind of actor that this new organisation wants to be but from what I have seen has never taken to that mission, with some people involved in this having been involved in the formation of that only to walk away from that in great disappointment at what it manifested into very early on.

I inlude myself in that category.

[Row x]

Then why even bother with the quibble?

Perhaps had you quoted my full post, instead of editing most of it to suit, then you might not need to ask the question

My final say is that I applaud the new group, and what they hope to achieve. My only issue is the name, but that's my opinion, sorry for having one.

[Elizabeth]

How does any of that relate to the 'trivial stuff' or 'junior groups' references which he made?

You seem to be offended by the descriptions originating from that particular poster

[Leisure]

You seem to be offended by the descriptions originating from that particular poster

Because as usual, he's talking bo**ocks!

[Walton]

The Clarets Trust was supposed to be the kind of actor that this new organisation wants to be but from what I have seen has never taken to that mission, with some people involved in this having been involved in the formation of that only to walk away from that in great disappointment at what it manifested into very early on.

I ask genuinely and with no skin in the game, what did the Clarets Trust manifest into?