Tresor

[Clive 1960]

What makes you "believe" he was nowhere near fit?

from people who were at the game who said he looked shattered after not long on the pitch...

[Steddyman]

That was just a comment by someone on here, which led to the vitriol.

Is it possible that the comment was stirrring controversy or had beeen misunderstood?

Probably not a good idea to undermine the chairman with "gossip" that can be misconstrued through perception or worse purposefully causing controversy.

The word "allegedly" is always helpful in these circumstances.

I was present at the event, and it was also streamed live on youtube. What he said specifically was that he was at the training ground and available for selection, which doesn't seem to have been the case.

With the size of that scar, it is not laparoscopy, it is open surgery, which will take a long time to recover even for a normal person, never mind an athlete.

[ClaretPete001]

Quite clearly it was easily misunderstood as it has been by many people on social media, including yourself by the looks of it, for clarity being fit and well is TOTALLY different to be being fit to play. What pace said was so poorly worded and utterly unhelpful, but all you had to do was to listen to what Parker said about him and watched how he and his teammates reacted to Tresor and that would tell you more than what pace said. After all Parker and his teammates are the ones who deal with him on a daily basis.

As for what was said privately I also read that, but you or I have no idea what Pace actually said to that person I would imagine it was paraphrased and maybe missed some context but as said I don’t know but as with anything put in here I took it with a pinch of salt until I see proof that it was accurately portrayed.

It is not possible to misconstrue what he said - 'he is training and fully fit'.

SP is the manager of the team, he is not in a position to criticise players. And what Parker meant and how his team mates feel is just conjecture.

Basically what you are saying is - you aren't prepared to accept the video of the Chairman making very clear comments but you are prepared to conjecture on how his team mates feel about him.

To be honest, that is just bonkers.

[Claretfanatic1982]

Too many people keen to call fellow Clarets idiots.

Does it matter if they are fellow Clarets?

If my friends and family act like idiots, the get called out for being an idiot.

If they don't want calling out , they just need to stop behaving like idiots. Simple!

[Big Vinny K]

It is not possible to misconstrue what he said - 'he is training and fully fit'.

SP is the manager of the team, he is not in a position to criticise players. And what Parker meant and how his team mates feel is just conjecture.

Basically what you are saying is - you aren't prepared to accept the video of the Chairman making very clear comments but you are prepared to conjecture on how his team mates feel about him.

To be honest, that is just bonkers.

I have no idea how his team mates feel about him - none of us do so I agree that is just conjecture. Not sure it’s bonkers exactly though as think some fans views of how some of the players feel about Tresor are taken from videos, social media support, the managers comments etc. But agree it’s not a statement of fact.

However i do not believe the chairman and the comments he made in the video. The fact that he said them is not open to conjecture I agree.

I have no idea why he made them but I do not believe what he was saying is the truth or a fair assessment of the situation.

Does not necessarily mean he was lying as we could give him the benefit of the doubt that he was just not as informed about the situation with Tresor as the medical staff, manager etc (though personally I’m finding this difficult to believe)

And 100% the chairman’s comments did not help the players situation or the views of some of the fans on Tresor.

[TsarBomba]

It’s all very odd.

What doesn’t make any sense is why a club like Ajax, or any club for that matter, would try and sign a player that had surgery for a serious issue and was so very unfit. He wouldn’t stand a chance of passing the medical for a start. Ajax would do their due diligence beforehand and know of his illness by speaking to the agent. So why try and sign him?

[Clovius Boofus]

Looks like he’s been through it. The club have obviously respected his wishes not to go public which is great. We need to move on and get behind him now.

I hope some people on here and elsewhere hang their heads in shame.

[Row x]

from people who were at the game who said he looked shattered after not long on the pitch...

I was there
Looked like a player returning from a long lay off

Nothing to accuse the club of mismanagement of

[CyrilEbokiPoh]

It’s all very odd.

What doesn’t make any sense is why a club like Ajax, or any club for that matter, would try and sign a player that had surgery for a serious issue and was so very unfit. He wouldn’t stand a chance of passing the medical for a start. Ajax would do their due diligence beforehand and know of his illness by speaking to the agent. So why try and sign him?

Just a thought. But perhaps thats why they didnt sign him.....

[JarrowClaret]

It is not possible to misconstrue what he said - 'he is training and fully fit'.

SP is the manager of the team, he is not in a position to criticise players. And what Parker meant and how his team mates feel is just conjecture.

Basically what you are saying is - you aren't prepared to accept the video of the Chairman making very clear comments but you are prepared to conjecture on how his team mates feel about him.

To be honest, that is just bonkers.

Why is a manager not in a position to criticise players yet a chairman is? Many managers criticise there players although I accept Parker may not be 1 for doing that so you could be correct about that for him. There is no need to read between the lines of what I wrote though there is no hidden meaning I meant exactly what I wrote.

I fully accept what the chairman said in the video I watched it at the time but as said I took it with a pinch of salt as I believe it was missing a large amount of context, I could be wrong I will accept I am if someone produces something factual and conclusive. As for player feelings, I never mentioned them of course you are correct i can’t judge that nor can pretty much anyone else on here. What I mentioned was how Parker talks about him and how he and his teammates react to him. Human nature makes it hard for us to fully hide dislike for someone when talking about them or being around them and if the rumours were true he would be disliked. For example Parker would be more formal when talking about him just simple things like him calling Tresor Mikey rather than Mike. There are other examples from the Reading game that stuck in my mind but you are correct I could be wrong about them all I would rather look on the positive side though, lets see what happens if he is still our player come September.

[TsarBomba]

Ajax didn’t sign Tresor because of the loan fee, not because of any injury/illness.

[JarrowClaret]

Ajax didn’t sign Tresor because of the loan fee, not because of any injury/illness.

Is that a statement of fact or rumoured at the time? I remember it being in the press can’t remember anything conclusive coming out. Genuine question, I do remember the chairman did mention transfers with Tresor but he said something like we have to get our moneys worth out of him before he gets transferred. Not sure if that comment was made at Tresor or the Club making a bid though maybe it was aimed at both quite clearly though if Ajax make a bid for you as a player you are interested though.

[agreenwood]

If someone could cure the compulsion to have the same conversation over and over again, they’d win a Nobel Prize

[beddie]

I had laporoscopic surgery in 2019 after my intestine perforated and split. I got sepsis and allsorts of jazz.

Took me about three years to recover from it. And I didn’t have to get to a level where I was playing Premier League football.

I remember that, you were quite unwell if memory serves me correctly so going on what you say if Tresor has had similar he's done very well to get to where he is today. Let’s give him a lot of vocal support it will do him the world of good and hopefully BFC.

[Ric_C]

As far as the timeline goes, this is what I remember

1. Ajax try and sign Tresor, but pull out because of loan fee
2. Tresor posts on instagram on his private jet with a miffed face
3. Not involved at all in pre-season, so fans quite rightly at the time were probably thinking he was one of the many others who wanted out having been sold the "Kompany premier league dream".
4. Transfer window shuts - Tresor is still a Burnley player. Fans become excited about having the prospect of him knuckling down and tearing up the championship.
5. No Tresor for months - Fans asking why
6. Parker says he's had a "significant illness" in one of his pressers.
7. This illness / injury keeps him out for the rest of the season (as per Ramsey, Beyer and Redmond)

I think the unfortunate timing between points 2 and 6 gave mosts fans (quite reasonably I might ask) to start asking the question of what has happened to our 15 million pound playmaker (especially as we were really struggling for goals and creativity at the time).

[Row x]

It is not possible to misconstrue what he said - 'he is training and fully fit'.

SP is the manager of the team, he is not in a position to criticise players. And what Parker meant and how his team mates feel is just conjecture.

Basically what you are saying is - you aren't prepared to accept the video of the Chairman making very clear comments but you are prepared to conjecture on how his team mates feel about him.

To be honest, that is just bonkers.

How long after Pace said he was fit, that he played at reading?

[JarrowClaret]

How long after Pace said he was fit, that he played at reading?

I did a google search on this assuming what I found was correct fan forum was on the 11th of December the reading game was exactly a month later in the 11th of jan

[CyrilEbokiPoh]

If someone could cure the compulsion to have the same conversation over and over again, they’d win a Nobel Prize

Agreed.

Reality is. Most will never know the full truth. Rightly or wrongly.

Tresor is (Hopefuly now) close to a return

The fact this coincides with a return to the prem will not help and only fuel the rumour merchants

Hopefuly we can just put it all to bed. He comes off the bench at Spurs and scored a 97th minute winner.

[Jakubclaret]

Agreed.

Reality is. Most will never know the full truth. Rightly or wrongly.

Tresor is (Hopefuly now) close to a return

The fact this coincides with a return to the prem will not help and only fuel the rumour merchants

Hopefuly we can just put it all to bed. He comes off the bench at Spurs and scored a 97th minute winner.

Amongst some of us the recovery was never in doubt coinciding with our PL campaign.

[CyrilEbokiPoh]

Amongst some of us the recovery was never in doubt coinciding with our PL campaign.

I know.

[Jakubclaret]

I know.

If carlsberg did illnesses.

[Row x]

I did a google search on this assuming what I found was correct fan forum was on the 11th of December the reading game was exactly a month later in the 11th of jan

Pretty accurate from the Chairman, unless people wanted him to start a league game.

[ClaretPete001]

Agreed.

Reality is. Most will never know the full truth. Rightly or wrongly.

Tresor is (Hopefuly now) close to a return

The fact this coincides with a return to the prem will not help and only fuel the rumour merchants

Hopefuly we can just put it all to bed. He comes off the bench at Spurs and scored a 97th minute winner.

We've gone from rumour to conjecture and now Nostradamus. A classic evolution of a thread on the forum.

[JarrowClaret]

Pretty accurate from the Chairman, unless people wanted him to start a league game.

Lot of games in that month period though taking into account the Christmas period but yes it lends itself to him being fit and training but NOT necessarily fit to play! No idea of the truth like the rest of us one day I hope we get more context to this situation

[boyyanno]

Loose lips sink ships.

I hope the club learn from this and some of the other comments that have been made this year. Matt Williams telling fans that CJ was close to signing a new deal is somthing else that shouldn't have happened imo.

[Row x]

Lot of games in that month period though taking into account the Christmas period but yes it lends itself to him being fit and training but NOT necessarily fit to play! No idea of the truth like the rest of us one day I hope we get more context to this situation

Pretty much the way I see it. Managers plan so far in advance nowadays that, that could have been the first game they thought he should have been involved in.
Too many posters on here want to bash the ownership, without just stopping for a minute, thinking what's been said ( not what some poster says was allegedly said) and what happened.
He did ok a Reading for someone who had been out that long, but the management didn't think it right to play him again after analysing the data.

[ClaretPete001]

Pretty much the way I see it. Managers plan so far in advance nowadays that, that could have been the first game they thought he should have been involved in.
Too many posters on here want to bash the ownership, without just stopping for a minute, thinking what's been said ( not what some poster says was allegedly said) and what happened.
He did ok a Reading for someone who had been out that long, but the management didn't think it right to play him again after analysing the data.

It's not possible to misconstrue what Pace said it's online on the other hand it's not possible to know what he thought about Reading or whether what subsequently happened was in line with what Pace was thinking.

Can you see the issue here - you do what you accuse others of doing....!

[Row x]

It's not possible to misconstrue what Pace said it's online on the other hand it's not possible to know what he thought about Reading or whether what subsequently happened was in line with what Pace was thinking.

Can you see the issue here - you do what you accuse others of doing....!

He said he was fit and available
The manager decided that was the reading game
What's the issue with that?

[ClaretPete001]

He said he was fit and available
The manager decided that was the reading game
What's the issue with that?

Because you've invented a whole narrative that goes from AP's statement to Tresor playing a month later. None of which can be inferred from what he said...!

For the record, I think what AP said is likely to be true as he understood it. My only point is that the club's only reliably statement is the one AP made. You can't rely on fan rumour. Nor on what SP said because he is not in a position to say such things about players.

None of us know what has gone on...!

[Hedontplayforyou]

I hope he’s fully recovered and that he plays for us again, providing his talent . Not sure it’ll happen mind

[Casper2]

Absolutely they do but it doesn’t help when the chairman tells people he’s fine and dandy but he doesn’t know whether he will play for us again.

Be thankful he didn’t talk about his sex life .

[willsclarets]

Pace completely threw the lad under a bus with his comments. But with or without Pace, the booing Tresor got was a disgrace. Just really poorly handled by the club and a bit embarrassing by some fans. Parker is obviously excused, as it turns out he was pretty much honest and on the mark without betraying Tresors wish all along.

Whatever it was I hope he's healthy, whether he plays for us or not. I suspect not, and I couldn't blame him.

[willsclarets]

Pretty accurate from the Chairman, unless people wanted him to start a league game.

Nowhere near accurate from the chairman. He was obviously never "fully fit". He also offered no context to say that Tresor ever had a problem at all. If I remember right he didn't even mention illness or injury, and insinuated we should start a campaign to get him to play. Literally everything he said suggested he had no physical problems, and it was a mystery as to why he wasn't "out there helping the team".

[boatshed bill]

There are people on here who will only be totally satisfied when MT's full medical records are publicised.

[Row x]

Nowhere near accurate from the chairman. He was obviously never "fully fit". He also offered no context to say that Tresor ever had a problem at all. If I remember right he didn't even mention illness or injury, and insinuated we should start a campaign to get him to play. Literally everything he said suggested he had no physical problems, and it was a mystery as to why he wasn't "out there helping the team".

I was replying in context to what a poster had said the Chairman said
He was fit and available....and he played when the manager picked him
I think you've added a few comments there, I saw the recording.

[willsclarets]

I was replying in context to what a poster had said the Chairman said
He was fit and available....and he played when the manager picked him
I think you've added a few comments there, I saw the recording.

That's such a disingenuous take. And I don't think I've added anything, I saw it too.

[willsclarets]

That's such a disingenuous take. And I don't think I've added anything, I saw it too.

Actually I don't care, I don't know why I'm arguing. Ignore.

[dougcollins]

I had only read second-hand that someone mentioned the Chairman's comments on Tresor, do we know they were actually true? After the whole "Free Nathan Tella" stuff it wouldn't surprise me if they were to be honest.

He said it at a public event with a good number of witnesses.

I wasn't there but my mate heard him, and I believe him.

[exilecanada]

One would hope he's working hard in this off season to regain full fitness to be of some use to the club. Hopefully he'll be able to help the club on the field or show some form to entice another club to take him off our hands without getting shafted too badly.

[Rowls]

"I don't care about Tresor
He don't care about me
All I care about ... is laproscopy"

[JarrowClaret]

Because you've invented a whole narrative that goes from AP's statement to Tresor playing a month later. None of which can be inferred from what he said...!

For the record, I think what AP said is likely to be true as he understood it. My only point is that the club's only reliably statement is the one AP made. You can't rely on fan rumour. Nor on what SP said because he is not in a position to say such things about players.

None of us know what has gone on...!

Not sure that’s correct Scott Parker made several statements about him in response to press questions, I won’t listen to them all again to repeat them all but they are there as well:
He had a significant illness in the summer
He had several niggly injuries when trying to get fit after getting over the illness
He played 30 mins or so against reading then got another injury
He then played was it 50 minutes or so in an U21 game and nothing else was said about him afterwards that I can remember

I read, not sure if it is true, that he was fit towards the end of the season but Parker decided not to involve him

[JarrowClaret]

Not able to edit sorry missed the comment about what SP said!

Why is what SP says so unreliable and what the chairman said 100% gospel that bit I don’t get?

[aggi]

It is not possible to misconstrue what he said - 'he is training and fully fit'.

SP is the manager of the team, he is not in a position to criticise players. And what Parker meant and how his team mates feel is just conjecture.

Basically what you are saying is - you aren't prepared to accept the video of the Chairman making very clear comments but you are prepared to conjecture on how his team mates feel about him.

To be honest, that is just bonkers.

What video is this? I don't remember a video at the time it was brought up originally but to be honest I wasn't paying that much attention to it

[morninbob]

What video is this? I don't remember a video at the time it was brought up originally but to be honest I wasn't paying that much attention to it

There was a question and answer at Burnley college.

[CyrilEbokiPoh]

Loose lips sink ships.

I hope the club learn from this and some of the other comments that have been made this year. Matt Williams telling fans that CJ was close to signing a new deal is somthing else that shouldn't have happened imo.

Agree

[aggi]

Cheers, so this:

https://youtu.be/fE-ZpdLLqvs?feature=shared&t=4531

it's uh Tom Wilson and I just wanted to ask uh a really specific
1:15:39
question so I appreciate you might not be able to answer it but can you give us any sort of update on the situation of
1:15:44
Mike Tresor because he's a serious investment on the club this is why we go Rogue but nobody nobody seems to ask the
1:15:51
question anymore oh no I get asked at every game don't worry okay um I I think it's Jimmy mller
1:15:58
there's somebody that actually holds up a picture that says missing um and they ask me every time when I walk by they
1:16:04
asked the other night um yeah I really can't answer a whole lot I would love for for Mike to be playing with us
1:16:12
really soon um what I would maybe suggest and encourage is um we do a
1:16:18
writing campaign I don't know how what else to do at this point um but I would love for
1:16:24
for for Mike to be out there helping us and and taking us to a different place um whether or not that that will happen
1:16:31
um your guess is as good as mine right now to be fair um but I don't see Mike
1:16:38
going anywhere right now so we'll see but he is here um that I can promise you
1:16:44
um I see him regularly uh and he is training and he's fully
1:16:49
fit I hope that answers that's about as good as I'm GNA get cheers Tom

[Jakubclaret]

As far as the timeline goes, this is what I remember

1. Ajax try and sign Tresor, but pull out because of loan fee
2. Tresor posts on instagram on his private jet with a miffed face
3. Not involved at all in pre-season, so fans quite rightly at the time were probably thinking he was one of the many others who wanted out having been sold the "Kompany premier league dream".
4. Transfer window shuts - Tresor is still a Burnley player. Fans become excited about having the prospect of him knuckling down and tearing up the championship.
5. No Tresor for months - Fans asking why
6. Parker says he's had a "significant illness" in one of his pressers.
7. This illness / injury keeps him out for the rest of the season (as per Ramsey, Beyer and Redmond)

I think the unfortunate timing between points 2 and 6 gave mosts fans (quite reasonably I might ask) to start asking the question of what has happened to our 15 million pound playmaker (especially as we were really struggling for goals and creativity at the time).

Not a bad summary except you forgot to mention APs comments which probably amounts to 8. All in all & taking all factors into consideration in some quarters it's widely believed he's been as fit as a fiddle all along.

[Nonayforever]

Can someone explain what having surgery & Baile inolvidable have in common ?

[willsclarets]

"I would maybe suggest and encourage is we do a
writing campaign I don't know how what else to do at this point um but I would love for for for Mike to be out there helping us and and taking us to a different place um whether or not that that will happen your guess is as good as mine. I see him regularly and he's fully fit."

Taken out a few ums and ahs. Gee, I wonder why people got the impression there was nothing wrong with Tresor and there never was. Baffles me how some people can't see the most obvious interpretation of that would be that he's refusing to play. Im sure he didnt intend it, but they're absolutely stupid comments from the chairman.

[Clovius Boofus]

Poor do when people can't hold their hand up and say 'you know what, I was wrong'. Instead, they dig a deeper hole for themselves, and it isn't a good look.