8 second rule

[Burnley Ace]

Ashington didn’t say that you can’t stand on the keeper, he said you can’t prevent him from playing the ball. This doesn’t mean a player can’t stand next to the keeper to prevent him from dropping the ball at his feet.

Just happened in the Man U game. Keeper had it, Gyokeres went to stand on him, instant indirect free kick.
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How far away can you stand from the goalie where you aren’t physically preventing him from playing the ball but are putting doubt into his mind that dropping the ball to his feet is the best option?

[CharlieinNewMexico]

Just happened in the Man U game. Keeper had it, Gyokeres went to stand on him, instant indirect free kick.

How far away can you stand from the goalie where you aren’t physically preventing him from playing the ball but are putting doubt into his mind that dropping the ball to his feet is the best option?
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Question for PGMOl. As I understand it you can’t do it period. What’s the point of standing in front of someone when you can’t play the ball. They’ve made this illegal

[CharlieinNewMexico]

I’m sure Google can help

[Down_Rover]

I’m sure it will be consistently applied throughout the season.

Against us yes. Referees wouldnt miss a golden chance like this

[Rileybobs]

I’m sure Google can help

Google didn’t help which is why I asked if you could point me in the direction of this law. This leads me to believe that it doesn’t exist, and players are free to follow the goalkeeper around the penalty area like they always have been.

[Down_Rover]

Leeds keeper took 21 seconds last night to take a free kick just outside his area. Score 1-0, deep into time added on

To be consistent the rule Change should includes free kicks, throw ins and boot lace adjustments

[CharlieinNewMexico]

Google didn’t help which is why I asked if you could point me in the direction of this law. This leads me to believe that it doesn’t exist, and players are free to follow the goalkeeper around the penalty area like they always have been.

I’m not your mother. I’m sure if you cared enough you could go to FIFA laws or PGMOL or whatever to find it.
It’s a very recent rule change and as I said I saw it first hand this weekend so I’m sure you can research it too.

Jfc. People on here.

[Rileybobs]

I’m not your mother. I’m sure if you cared enough you could go to FIFA laws or PGMOL or whatever to find it.
It’s a very recent rule change and as I said I saw it first hand this weekend so I’m sure you can research it too.

Jfc. People on here.

Why are you being so aggressive? I just asked if you could help to point me in the direction of the rule because I tried Google and IFAB and can’t find the law you’re referring to.

Nice exchange though, thanks.

[ClaretTony]

I'm not sure this idea has been thought out. It led both goalkeepers to panic and make bad, rushed passes out to their defenders. On some occasions there just isn't the time for players to get set to receive a pass from their keeper.

I also thought it was quite slack of us to not have worked on this - we clearly hadn't prepared and we conceded a corner and could have conceded a goal on another occasion when Dubravka played a poor rushed pass into Cullen's feet.

I think we will also see opposition players stand on the goalkeeper now to prevent them from dropping the ball at their feet, forcing them into a rushed pass.

Thoughts?

If an opposition players stands on the goalkeeper as you suggest, then the countdown doesn't start.

[CharlieinNewMexico]

Why are you being so aggressive? I just asked if you could help to point me in the direction of the rule because I tried Google and IFAB and can’t find the law you’re referring to.

Nice exchange though, thanks.

I am not the expert on the rule you are referring to. I just saw it in practice. I suggested you should find the expert in the rule you are referring to. I suggested ways to do this. I am not a librarian. I do not have any further suggestions on helping you find the details of the rule you are referring to .

Should you not be able to do this by yourself, I can no longer help.

I do not think this is aggressive, only clear speaking

[Rileybobs]

If an opposition players stands on the goalkeeper as you suggest, then the countdown doesn't start.

We're going back in the conversation a bit here, maybe the term to 'stand on' the goalkeeper was poorly worded. I don't mean literally standing inches from the goalkeeper or preventing him from playing the ball - I can't see any reason, or find any law, that would prevent an opposing player from tailing the goalkeeper around the box at a distance which would deter the goalkeeper from dropping the ball at his feet.

[Rileybobs]

I am not the expert on the rule you are referring to. I just saw it in practice. I suggested you should find the expert in the rule you are referring to. I suggested ways to do this. I am not a librarian. I do not have any further suggestions on helping you find the details of the rule you are referring to .

Should you not be able to do this by yourself, I can no longer help.

I do not think this is aggressive, only clear speaking

Re-read your last couple of responses to me. If you don't think they are aggressive and this is how you generally engage with people then good luck.

[ClaretTony]

We're going back in the conversation a bit here, maybe the term to 'stand on' the goalkeeper was poorly worded. I don't mean literally standing inches from the goalkeeper or preventing him from playing the ball - I can't see any reason, or find any law, that would prevent an opposing player from tailing the goalkeeper around the box at a distance which would deter the goalkeeper from dropping the ball at his feet.

Would still not start the count - I was in a meeting with PGMO last week and it was clear that any such movement from an opposition player would result in the count not starting.

[Rileybobs]

Would still not start the count - I was in a meeting with PGMO last week and it was clear that any such movement from an opposition player would result in the count not starting.

That's interesting. So essentially the goalkeeper now has free reign in the box and opposition players have to back off from him? Was there any guidance as to how far away the opposition must be for the count to start?

[Row x]

I am not the expert on the rule you are referring to. I just saw it in practice. I suggested you should find the expert in the rule you are referring to. I suggested ways to do this. I am not a librarian. I do not have any further suggestions on helping you find the details of the rule you are referring to .

Should you not be able to do this by yourself, I can no longer help.

I do not think this is aggressive, only clear speaking

If "jfc" means what I think it does, that's a bit more than clear speaking.

[CharlieinNewMexico]

Would still not start the count - I was in a meeting with PGMO last week and it was clear that any such movement from an opposition player would result in the count not starting.

This is exactly what I’ve been trying to say

[CharlieinNewMexico]

If "jfc" means what I think it does, that's a bit more than clear speaking.

Well it is 2 am my time and I’m being asked why I can’t point someone in the exact direction of a rule.

Forgive me for being exasperated

[dibraidio]

Jesus f****ing Christ. People on here.

Seems pretty aggressive to me. I hope you roll your eyes and blow out a big sigh when you say that sort of thing to someone face to face.
It's things like this that change the atmosphere of a conversation from light hearted banter into an uncomfortable conversation or an argument.

It's an interesting idea to reduce the time where the ball isn't in play but surely that's counter productive. They want more and more games and they want more action in each match. Currently the ball is in play for an average of around 55 minutes in a game that can last 100 minutes. If top players are running 13km per game that would go over 20km if they were to run around for the full 90 minutes plus. That would take the 400km per season for those who run the most to over 600 km. You'd have to think there will be a massive impact on recovery time, injuries etc. My expectation would be that teams will slow the game down "in play" to compensate for the lack of rest time during the match and the game will actually become more dull rather than more exciting.

[CharlieinNewMexico]

Seems pretty aggressive to me. I hope you roll your eyes and blow out a big sigh when you say that sort of thing to someone face to face.
It's things like this that change the atmosphere of a conversation from light hearted banter into an uncomfortable conversation or an argument.

It's an interesting idea to reduce the time where the ball isn't in play but surely that's counter productive. They want more and more games and they want more action in each match. Currently the ball is in play for an average of around 55 minutes in a game that can last 100 minutes. If top players are running 13km per game that would go over 20km if they were to run around for the full 90 minutes plus. That would take the 400km per season for those who run the most to over 600 km. You'd have to think there will be a massive impact on recovery time, injuries etc. My expectation would be that teams will slow the game down "in play" to compensate for the lack of rest time during the match and the game will actually become more dull rather than more exciting.

And I pointed out why I was exasperated

Duly noted

[Ashingtonclaret46]

Can you show me this rule change please because I don’t think this is correct.

JUst to clarify that this is what is written in the interpretation of the 8 second Law by IFAB.

The referee will decide when the goalkeeper has control of the ball and the eight seconds begin and will visually count down the last five seconds with a raised hand. If during the counting process an attacking player pressures or prevents the goalkeeper releasing the ball, an indirect free-kick aga...

[dsr]

JUst to clarify that this is what is written in the interpretation of the 8 second Law by IFAB.

The referee will decide when the goalkeeper has control of the ball and the eight seconds begin and will visually count down the last five seconds with a raised hand. If during the counting process an attacking player pressures or prevents the goalkeeper releasing the ball, an indirect free-kick aga...

I would hope that this doesn't stop a player from standing 5 yards away from the keeper. If it's interpreted that he mustn't stand close enough to prevent the goalkeeper putting it down and standing over the ball doing nothing, then it defeats the whole object.

I understood it to mean that if (for example) a keeper is looking to get rid quickly, eg. after catching the ball at a corner, and the forward runs across him (which is actually a foul anyway, though usually it wouldn't be given because of advantage) then the countdown won't start.

[Ashingtonclaret46]

Sorry it didn't all copy over. Here is the complete interpretaton guidance:-

The referee will decide when the goalkeeper has control of the ball and the eight seconds begin and will visually count down the last five seconds with a raised hand.

If during the counting process an attacking player pressures or prevents the goalkeeper releasing the ball, an indirect free-kick against the attacker will be awarded.

A corner kick on the side of the field nearest to the goalkeeper is awarded for the first such offence by a goalkeeper.

A second offence will have a warning from the referee added, while a third will lead to the referee issuing the ‘keeper a yellow card.

[FCBurnley]

How many keepers were penalized in PL week 1 so far ? I suspect only ours !!!!

[Rileybobs]

JUst to clarify that this is what is written in the interpretation of the 8 second Law by IFAB.

The referee will decide when the goalkeeper has control of the ball and the eight seconds begin and will visually count down the last five seconds with a raised hand. If during the counting process an attacking player pressures or prevents the goalkeeper releasing the ball, an indirect free-kick aga...

Thanks Ashington.

[Rileybobs]

I would hope that this doesn't stop a player from standing 5 yards away from the keeper. If it's interpreted that he mustn't stand close enough to prevent the goalkeeper putting it down and standing over the ball doing nothing, then it defeats the whole object.

I understood it to mean that if (for example) a keeper is looking to get rid quickly, eg. after catching the ball at a corner, and the forward runs across him (which is actually a foul anyway, though usually it wouldn't be given because of advantage) then the countdown won't start.

Yes, my thoughts exactly. If the goalkeeper can wait 8 seconds then drop the ball at his feet and wait to be pressured then it surely defeats the point to a large degree.