Andre Gray

watsonsclarets · Post by **watsonsclarets** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 9:04 pm

He offers something nobody in the squad can offer especially our forward line...

So who do you want to replace him with is my question too

taio · Post by **taio** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 9:05 pm

There's nothing to listen to on here unless I've always had the volume down.

mohamed69 · Post by **mohamed69** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 9:06 pm

watsonsclarets wrote:He offers something nobody in the squad can offer especially our forward line...

So who do you want to replace him with is my question too

That is a better question

bumba · Post by **bumba** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 9:07 pm

His first touch today was laughable, it doesn't stay with 5 yards of him

roamingclaret · Post by **roamingclaret** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 9:11 pm

It was ok for the goal though!!

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 9:18 pm

I think we need to cut AG some slack right now.
If he gets 6 or more I would call that success.
He's really raw to be leading the line at PL standard, and look at the money spent on top strikers...we couldn't get near it.

mohamed69 · Post by **mohamed69** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 9:20 pm

boatshed bill wrote:I think we need to cut AG some slack right now.
If he gets 6 or more I would call that success.
He's really raw to be leading the line at PL standard, and look at the money spent on top strikers...we couldn't get near it.

You call 6 goals for our main striker a success?

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 9:22 pm

mohamed69 wrote:What a strange thing to say. No one has been relegated yet...

Gray is on track for 5-6 goals. nowhere near good enough. It's as simple as that guys. I don't understand the controversy.

Your obviously a wum.
I guessed that a few comments ago.
I doubt that's anything like your real name and I'm not going to play your odd little game any longer
Get a life

taio · Post by **taio** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 9:25 pm

mohamed69 wrote:You call 6 goals for our main striker a success?

This appears to be a bit of a contradiction. On one hand you say he's nowhere near good enough, but then label him our main striker.

mohamed69 · Post by **mohamed69** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 9:25 pm

Damo wrote:Your obviously a wum.
I guessed that a few comments ago.
I doubt that's anything like your real name and I'm not going to play your odd little game any longer
Get a life

What's a wum and what game? I am posting my opinions on a message board, just as you are. Mine don't match yours so I have to 'get a life'? Get a grip mate

mohamed69 · Post by **mohamed69** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 9:25 pm

taio wrote:This appears to be a bit of contradiction. On one hand you say he's nowhere near good enough, but them label him our main striker.

There is no contradiction there.

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 9:26 pm

Seriously now Mo, just stop.

You don't think Gray is good enough. We get it. No need to keep repeating it.

mohamed69 · Post by **mohamed69** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 9:28 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:Seriously now Mo, just stop.

You don't think Gray is good enough. We get it. No need to keep repeating it.

I am just responding to others...

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 9:30 pm

mohamed69 wrote:You call 6 goals for our main striker a success?

As long as others chip in, yes.

bumba · Post by **bumba** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 9:35 pm

roamingclaret wrote:It was ok for the goal though!!

That's a shot not a first touch, or after seeing his first touch was it?

DavidEyresLeftFoot · Post by **DavidEyresLeftFoot** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 10:45 pm

To be fair his first touch today was awful...but I'd love to see most people control a ball in that wind. The truth is though...if you present Andre with a chance like today he'll hit it early and with pace. More often than not he'll score. For a young lad in his first time at this level, that'll do for me.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 10:48 pm

TomBenderson wrote:My real name isn't Tom. Odd that you are concerned that Mohamed is or isn't the poster's real name. Why? Does it matter? Does it matter about mine?

I'm not concerned what your real name is, or what mo's real name is. I just find it odd what people get up to behind the annonimity of a Internet username

mohamed69 · Post by **mohamed69** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 10:49 pm

Damo wrote:I'm not concerned what your real name is, or what mo's real name is. I just find it odd what people get up to behind the annonimity of a Internet username

Sounds like you are? Hence why you brought it up?

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 10:57 pm

mohamed69 wrote:Sounds like you are? Hence why you brought it up?

You do realise Jamie Vardy only got 5 in his first season then helped Leicester win the title?

He must have been complete rubbish then!

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 11:00 pm

TomBenderson wrote:Because "Damo" allows anyone to know who you are away from this board? Strange comment you made because I've seen you debate with dermotdermot, LancasterClaret, SteveHarpersPerm et al and none of their names caused you any problem...

*anonymity*

That's not in the slightest bit stalky

mohamed69 · Post by **mohamed69** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 11:00 pm

Spijed wrote:You do realise Jamie Vardy only got 5 in his first season then helped Leicester win the title?

He must have been complete rubbish then!

Great example.

How many examples are there of players who scored 5 in their first season then scored 5 in their next season, and their next. Probably a lot more.

mohamed69 · Post by **mohamed69** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 11:01 pm

Damo wrote:That's not in the slightest bit stalky

Not really stalking on a public message board

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 11:04 pm

Andre quality striker

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 11:05 pm

mohamed69 wrote:Great example.

How many examples are there of players who scored 5 in their first season then scored 5 in their next season, and their next. Probably a lot more.

It shows that strikers need at least a full season, and more to be given the chance to prove themselves.

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 11:17 pm

mohamed69 wrote:I am just responding to others...

You could just agree to disagree. Instead you continue to criticise a player of the team you are supposed to support.

Curiously though this post, early this morning, wasn't unprovoked.

mohamed69 wrote:Hopefully he plays today so we can see that beautiful first touch

Looking forward to your response.

Dressinggown · Post by **Dressinggown** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 11:32 pm

He bagged a winner which could be worth millions when it comes to the final fray. The fact he only touched the

four times during the game is irrelevant.

mohamed69 · Post by **mohamed69** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 11:34 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:You could just agree to disagree. Instead you continue to criticise a player of the team you are supposed to support.

Curiously though this post, early this morning, wasn't unprovoked.

Looking forward to your response.

It was sarcasm. Again, he has a dreadful touch and that was highlighted today. You tell me to stop repeating myself and then ask me to repeat myself ?

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 11:42 pm

mohamed69 wrote:
It was sarcasm. Again, he has a dreadful touch and that was highlighted today. You tell me to stop repeating myself and then ask me to repeat myself ?

Thanks for the English lesson but I do understand sarcasm.

However, it seems you need a bit of help with your reading skills. I didn't ask you to repeat yourself; I pointed out that you could agree to disagree and also that you chose to criticise Gray, unprovoked, this morning contrary to your "only responding to others" comment.

Nothing more to add.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 11:45 pm

Really odd behaviour. On boxing day too when you would expect people to have much better things to do

Cubanclaret · Post by **Cubanclaret** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 11:57 pm

Thought Gray had an excellent second half, Ive never been sure he'd totally crack it at this level in the way that more of a footballer like Danny Ings had the potential to do, but he did well on occasions with his back to goal today, bringing in the full back on the overlap with some neat and tidy approach work. He did the same in the previous game, capping his performance with an excellent assist for Boyd.
He remains a constant threat with his pace and strength which regularly puts the fear of God into defenders. His most frustrating habit is the amount of times he is needlessly caught offside, but I think he'll get 8-10 if he stays fit.
Worth noting his record compares well to Thierry Henry after the same amount of Premier League appearances. Just saying like.

bumba · Post by **bumba** » Tue Dec 27, 2016 6:02 am

He's offside too much for defenders to have fear!
First touch is awful.
Set up Boyd? Are you watching the wrong weeks highlights? He scored not boyd

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Tue Dec 27, 2016 8:12 am

He meant against Bournemouth you melt

bumba · Post by **bumba** » Tue Dec 27, 2016 8:20 am

TVC15 wrote:He meant against Bournemouth you melt

Ooooo your very offensive

ShabbaRanks · Post by **ShabbaRanks** » Thu Dec 29, 2016 9:12 am

what_no_pies wrote:I'm 'babbling' about our defensive part of the game in direct response to you claiming up the number of chances teams create against us in the Premier league is comparable with the number of chances we created last season. I replied suggesting that claim is hugely inaccurate. Do try to keep up.

Ok - show me some stats to prove that then.

CnBtruntru · Post by **CnBtruntru** » Thu Dec 29, 2016 3:15 pm

I think if Gray scores 6 goals this season and they all result in Burnley winning their games equalling 18 points on the board, then that would be a very good achievement for his first ever shot at the big time when only a few years ago he was playing Amateur football.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Thu Dec 29, 2016 4:54 pm

King Andre

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Thu Dec 29, 2016 4:55 pm

He's even slamming one of the girls from Little Mix

1968claret · Post by **1968claret** » Thu Dec 29, 2016 5:20 pm

KRBFC wrote:He's even slamming one of the girls from Little Mix

Just been watching a programme about comedy in the 1970's, this reminded me of it

vinrogue · Post by **vinrogue** » Thu Dec 29, 2016 5:31 pm

I remember Danny Ings having a spell for us when he couldn't trap a bag of wind, he eventually got a bit of confidence back and hey presto a totally rejuvenated Danny Ings. Andre wants to play off the shoulder of the defence, but the class of defenders he is up against this season is higher than he has ever experienced before. I am happy to give the lad the slack to learn his trade in the PL whilst helping us to 3 points here and there. UTC

Darnhill Claret · Post by **Darnhill Claret** » Thu Dec 29, 2016 5:35 pm

Andre Gray's strike on goal against Boro was his first touch no matter how you choose to look at it.
A forward is not trying hard enough if he is never offside in a game. Timing of that run is difficult as you have to anticipate when the pass is going to be made. The mistake is sometimes the fault of the player playing the pass.

bumba · Post by **bumba** » Thu Dec 29, 2016 5:38 pm

Darnhill Claret wrote:Andre Gray's strike on goal against Boro was his first touch no matter how you choose to look at it.
A forward is not trying hard enough if he is never offside in a game. Timing of that run is difficult as you have to anticipate when the pass is going to be made. The mistake is sometimes the fault of the player playing the pass.

If you cannot control a ball you cannot then go blaming every attempt on a poor pass. Its a very simple fact that Andre gray had a terrible first touch, his first time 'shot' against boro wasn't him attempting to control the ball its two completely different things. If you follow football surely you understand this?

Darnhill Claret · Post by **Darnhill Claret** » Thu Dec 29, 2016 7:33 pm

Maybe you never played 'one touch'.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Thu Dec 29, 2016 7:34 pm

bumba wrote:If you cannot control a ball you cannot then go blaming every attempt on a poor pass. Its a very simple fact that Andre gray had a terrible first touch, his first time 'shot' against boro wasn't him attempting to control the ball its two completely different things. If you follow football surely you understand this?

Who cares if he has a poor first touch? he's our best striker and he plays for us, we should support him no matter what his limitations are and he's obviously going to have weaknesses because if he didn't, he wouldn't be playing for us.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Dec 29, 2016 7:36 pm

Poor touch or not, he got us 3 vital points against Boro.
He will improve the more he plays though.

Lord Beamish · Post by **Lord Beamish** » Thu Dec 29, 2016 7:43 pm

He's a work in progress. Simple as. Time will tell if he becomes more than a lethal Championship striker. Time that we will give him.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Thu Dec 29, 2016 7:47 pm

Top striker pace, power and more often than not hits the target. Watched last seasons dvd review and forgot some of the goals he scored like the one away at Fulham.

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Thu Dec 29, 2016 7:56 pm

While he was very lucky to score on Monday, due to a fumble after hitting a hard shot (to be fair) very close to the keeper, I don't think it changes the issue at hand.

That isn't whether we should sell Andre or buy a better player (we should always do the latter if it is practical, with all players).

It is whether we should be playing Andre up front in a two and so leaving Defour on the bench.

I have a suspicion that if you awarded us points for each game based just on the minutes Defour is on the pitch, we would be top half. I suspect the same doesn't apply to Andre.

It's not entirely fair on Andre, it's just that Dyche rattles on so much about Defour not yet adapting, whilst there is ample evidence that Andre hasn't yet adapted to the PL either and many fans think Dyche is wrong on the Defour issue.

ecc · Post by **ecc** » Thu Dec 29, 2016 7:57 pm

I really don't get some of the people on here. I thought we all supported the same club (although visitors who don't come on on a wind-up mission are always welcome as far as I'm concerned). When you support your club you "take" what you're "given" i.e. the squad the club has. We all know none of our lads will ever play for Real Madrid or Barcelona. But we surely have to be a bit lenient. We're not bloody Manchester/Chelsea gloryhunters or are we? "Pogba's crap" I was reading two months ago. Now he's "brilliant".

Yes, of course we're all entitled to our opinion but Burnley's my team, back in the PL for the third time in seven years (which is amazing for older fans) with the lowest budget.

You surely can't expect Gray to be as anywhere near as good as Aguero or Ibrahimovic.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Dec 29, 2016 8:06 pm

Pogba is still crap.

bumba · Post by **bumba** » Thu Dec 29, 2016 8:10 pm

He's 25! Work in progress? If he can't control a ball now he never will. What do you base him being our best striker on?