Osmajic

[burnmark]

It’s the Lancashire Post who revealed the news today via their PNE reporter:

[Woodleyclaret]

Fao ClaretTony this fiasco has gone on far too long it should have been sorted inside a month after the event.The FA and their stance on racism has been shown to be seriously flawed. Hannibal has been totally let down in this situation.

[Jakubclaret]

Fao ClaretTony this fiasco has gone on far too long it should have been sorted inside a month after the event.The FA and their stance on racism has been shown to be seriously flawed. Hannibal has been totally let down in this situation.

You could actually argue it's osmajic that's been let down if he's innocent with it hanging over his head. It cannot just be assumed that osmajic is guilty a lot of people seem to be forgetting that's he actually denied the allegation & it's not been proven. Without knowing the truth it's reasonable to conclude the FA is letting 1 of them down for sure just not sure which 1.

[ClaretTony]

Fao ClaretTony this fiasco has gone on far too long it should have been sorted inside a month after the event.The FA and their stance on racism has been shown to be seriously flawed. Hannibal has been totally let down in this situation.

Not sure why you started this with an fao for me but have you considered that the FA's stance on racism is so strong that it has forced them into a long investigation? And, as has previously been said, is it not possible that Osmajic is telling the truth and that it is he who would be let down and not Hannibal?

[nil_desperandum]

No matter how you look at it, it has no impact on Burnley whatsoever, but the timing of this could not be worse for PNE.
It's dragged on to the point where the transfer window will be closed, so selling him will be difficult whilst this hangs over him, and if he does get a lengthy ban the window is closed so they can't replace him.
FWIW I'm pretty sure he's guilty, but whether guilty or not this lengthy process, whilst the FA have gone through due process, has not helped PNE or the player very much.

[daveisaclaret]

No matter how you look at it, it has no impact on Burnley whatsoever, but the timing of this could not be worse for PNE.

Preston finished 1 point above relegation last season and Osmajic scored goals in two draws after the incident so this takes some working out

[nil_desperandum]

Preston finished 1 point above relegation last season and Osmajic scored goals in two draws after the incident so this takes some working out

I certainly agree with that - and said so at the time, but once the season had ended then the scenario that I described above became active.

[GetIntoEm]

No matter how you look at it, it has no impact on Burnley whatsoever, but the timing of this could not be worse for PNE.
It's dragged on to the point where the transfer window will be closed, so selling him will be difficult whilst this hangs over him, and if he does get a lengthy ban the window is closed so they can't replace him.
FWIW I'm pretty sure he's guilty, but whether guilty or not this lengthy process, whilst the FA have gone through due process, has not helped PNE or the player very much.

Surely it's not about what's good for which club, it's about justice for Hannibal and the fact that he was racially abused (alleged)

[nil_desperandum]

Surely it's not about what's good for which club, it's about justice for Hannibal and the fact that he was racially abused (alleged)

Exactly, and that’s why due process had to be followed to try to try to establish the truth

[FCBurnley]

No reason why we should benefit but if case is proven then PNE and player should be the ones punished

[Papabendi]

Not sure why you started this with an fao for me but have you considered that the FA's stance on racism is so strong that it has forced them into a long investigation? And, as has previously been said, is it not possible that Osmajic is telling the truth and that it is he who would be let down and not Hannibal?

We're back to the scope of the info at hand which we all agree is very narrow. I think it would be fairer to all parties involved if this could have been resolved sooner rather than a needless overhang.

[ClaretTony]

We're back to the scope of the info at hand which we all agree is very narrow. I think it would be fairer to all parties involved if this could have been resolved sooner rather than a needless overhang.

I’m sure it would have been much better had it been resolved earlier. We will never know the reasons for it taking this length of time.

[burnley007]

I’m sure it would have been much better had it been resolved earlier. We will never know the reasons for it taking this length of time.

Are they potentially putting new processes in place to deal with this kind of incident? Perhaps could be the delay?

I'm guessing this will crop up more and more.

[Lu-tze]

You could actually argue it's osmajic that's been let down if he's innocent with it hanging over his head. It cannot just be assumed that osmajic is guilty a lot of people seem to be forgetting that's he actually denied the allegation & it's not been proven. Without knowing the truth it's reasonable to conclude the FA is letting 1 of them down for sure just not sure which 1.

Precisely- it is not fair on either of them.

If (and it’s a big if being as his defence is that he called Hannibal ‘a bad man’- I mean..come on..) Osmajic is innocent then it’s an awful thing to be tarred with for this length of time.

As for Hannibal apart from the fact that if he’s telling the truth it must be absolutely soul destroying to be racially abused and wait this long for any justice there’s also the issue that he is a divisive/sh!thouse type of player anyway so with this hanging over him it’s likely he will get even more abuse from opposition racist/meathead fans this season on top of what he usually gets if they feel he has made a fraudulent claim of racial abuse.

Just really really hope it can be cleared up soon without any doubt and not turn out like the Jayrod case in which I don’t believe either player was at fault- it was just a case of jay being misheard but because it couldn’t be proven one way or another both players ended up getting stick.

I have to say though the length of time it’s taken that’s looking less and less likely.

[Chester Perry]

No matter how you look at it, it has no impact on Burnley whatsoever, but the timing of this could not be worse for PNE.
It's dragged on to the point where the transfer window will be closed, so selling him will be difficult whilst this hangs over him, and if he does get a lengthy ban the window is closed so they can't replace him.
FWIW I'm pretty sure he's guilty, but whether guilty or not this lengthy process, whilst the FA have gone through due process, has not helped PNE or the player very much.

Signed Lewis Dobbin from Aston Villa on a year long loan tonight - need a striker but certainly provides the cover should a lengthy ban ensue

[Dark Cloud]

I'd be extremely surprised if Osmajic faces any punishment. Ultimately I believe he said something extremely derogatory because I was there and Hannibal reacted immediately and was clearly incandescent for quite some time. However, nobody else appeared to hear it or corroborate it, otherwise the ref would have acted and so it surely can't ever be proved, even beyond reasonable doubt, unless he admits it which he clearly isn't going to. Two sides with conflicting stories and no independent evidence, so no punishment I'd assume.

[Jakubclaret]

I'd be extremely surprised if Osmajic faces any punishment. Ultimately I believe he said something extremely derogatory because I was there and Hannibal reacted immediately and was clearly incandescent for quite some time. However, nobody else appeared to hear it or corroborate it, otherwise the ref would have acted and so it surely can't ever be proved, even beyond reasonable doubt, unless he admits it which he clearly isn't going to. Two sides with conflicting stories and no independent evidence, so no punishment I'd assume.

That's quite a reasonable & balanced view on things & I agree. I think MO said something but can't be sure. I find it quite uncomfortable & disturbing to a degree the people harboring extreme views that's he's outright guilty without compelling evidence. It's quite a stark contrast to the views embedded on the forum previously regarding fair trials & presumption of innocence until proven guilty. A strange set of affairs.

[boatshed bill]

I'd be extremely surprised if Osmajic faces any punishment. Ultimately I believe he said something extremely derogatory because I was there and Hannibal reacted immediately and was clearly incandescent for quite some time. However, nobody else appeared to hear it or corroborate it, otherwise the ref would have acted and so it surely can't ever be proved, even beyond reasonable doubt, unless he admits it which he clearly isn't going to. Two sides with conflicting stories and no independent evidence, so no punishment I'd assume.

Apart from the PNE player who apparently went in to the Burnley changing rooms to console Hannibal (allegedly).
however, I doubt anything will come of all this as it's all a bit inconclusive.

[ClaretTony]

Interesting and concerning is Alan Nixon claiming that the lip reading experts have been left baffled.

I don't mind Nixon having info on transfers but how on earth is he picking up information from what should be a private matter?

[Taffys milkman]

IF thats the case perhaps they should have got a Serbian & Montenegro and lip reader?

[daveisaclaret]

Although a completely different case, it's disheartening and frankly scary to look at the written reasons released for the Paqueta case for anyone who wants the FA to do a good job with this case. Dragged on forever and came to the case with no evidence and absolutely no change of him being found guilty.

[Spike]

For a multi million pound organisation the FA are shamefully inadequate

[bobinho]

Are they potentially putting new processes in place to deal with this kind of incident? Perhaps could be the delay?

I'm guessing this will crop up more and more.

I’d like to think that it will crop up less and less tbh…

[bobinho]

For a multi million pound organisation the FA are shamefully inadequate

The multi millions are probably spent in the wrong areas. Like massive wages for incompetents and huge bonuses for the unworthy.

If you’ve ever watched “Mike Bassett - England manager” the way the FA is depicted in that film can’t possibly be a million miles away from the reality considering the “progress” they make every year.

[Tricky Trevor]

IF thats the case perhaps they should have got a Serbian & Montenegro and lip reader?

If he said anything in Serbo-Croat and Hannibal understood him I’ll plait fog.

[Spike]

Knobend newspaper reckons case will be this month and that the Kings Counsel Osmajic has employed thinks they have a good case.
I wonder if it’s the same one he used to minimise his driving penalties.

[fatboy47]

a big deals been made out of it. People get racially abused on a daily basis & get on with their lifes.

Haven't you got a roundabout to paint somewhere?

[Jakubclaret]

Haven't you got a roundabout to paint somewhere?

No idea what you are going on about there's only 1 person on this fictitious roundabout & it ain't me.

[ecc]

No idea what you are going on about there's only 1 person on this fictitious roundabout & it ain't me.

Whoosh!

[Jakubclaret]

Whoosh!

If you say so. I'm quite content to step back away from this nonsense & let the people that want to get on this carousel of crap. Good evening.

[Venkys4eva]

This has gone on forever but looking at it objectively I think it will be very difficult to prove. You cant read his lips and it then becomes one players word against another. Unless the FA have a better camera angle thats not been public.

[northeastclaret]

Haven't you got a roundabout to paint somewhere?

Not surprising that Zebedees post where he professes to be the Uptheclarets resident racism expert has been deleted.

A white male of the Basil Fawlty generation obviously has all the correct credentials

[Jakubclaret]

Not surprising that Zebedees post where he professes to be the Uptheclarets resident racism expert has been deleted.

A white male of the Basil Fawlty generation obviously has all the correct credentials

I miss the days where people said it how it was instead of the snowflake culture prevalent. Anyhow wish granted it's my last post on this subject.

[Woodleyclaret]

Time to bin this post it's getting into the realms of fantasy expecting solutions from the FA.

[JarrowClaret]

Time to bin this post it's getting into the realms of fantasy expecting solutions from the FA.

The realms of fantasy in this issue are reserved for the people on the Preston side who have assumed innocence and the ones who have assumed guilty on the Burnley side without any evidence to support either apart from what both players have said.

Let’s be clear from the onset this was always going to be difficult to prove or disprove without independent corroborating evidence and I suspect the only reason this has gone as long as it has is that the FA are trying to get the correct verdict and they are struggling to get any evidence. The most likely verdict will be not proven which will lead to more questions I guess, although from what we know that’s the only verdict they can come to sadly.

[daveisaclaret]

The realms of fantasy in this issue are reserved for the people on the Preston side who have assumed innocence and the ones who have assumed guilty on the Burnley side without any evidence to support either apart from what both players have said.

Let’s be clear from the onset this was always going to be difficult to prove or disprove without independent corroborating evidence and I suspect the only reason this has gone as long as it has is that the FA are trying to get the correct verdict and they are struggling to get any evidence. The most likely verdict will be not proven which will lead to more questions I guess, although from what we know that’s the only verdict they can come to sadly.

Are you not in the realms of fantasy thinking there is no evidence when you have no idea what evidence there is?

[northeastclaret]

The realms of fantasy in this issue are reserved for the people on the Preston side who have assumed innocence and the ones who have assumed guilty on the Burnley side without any evidence to support either apart from what both players have said.

Let’s be clear from the onset this was always going to be difficult to prove or disprove without independent corroborating evidence and I suspect the only reason this has gone as long as it has is that the FA are trying to get the correct verdict and they are struggling to get any evidence. The most likely verdict will be not proven which will lead to more questions I guess, although from what we know that’s the only verdict they can come to sadly.

There is plenty of incriminating factors , if it was just one word against another or photos of him plunging his teeth into his victim, it would have been dealt with already.

It doesnt have to be proven , it’s about the balance of
probabilities and the outcome will depend on how the FA come to a decision about the probability it actually happened.

[JarrowClaret]

Are you not in the realms of fantasy thinking there is no evidence when you have no idea what evidence there is?

No not really I was on about fans assuming guilt or innocence with no evidence other than what is available to us at the minute. I never actually said there was no evidence as you are correct I have no idea what is available although I do SUSPECT it is dragging because there isn’t much evidence, but I could be wrong on that.

[JarrowClaret]

There is plenty of incriminating factors , if it was just one word against another or photos of him plunging his teeth into his victim, it would have been dealt with already.

It doesnt have to be proven , it’s about the balance of
probabilities and the outcome will depend on how the FA come to a decision about the probability it actually happened.

No idea on this all I will say is is buying someone an incriminating factor in somebody being racist or saying something racist? I think it points to him not being a very nice person 100% but surely has no relevance to this maybe I am wrong I’m not sure.