Hountondji

[depechedingle]

Just scored a fantastic goal in the Hamburg derby

Hamburg 0-2 St Pauli

Played through rounded the keeper and scored brilliantly from a tight angle.

[Father Jack]

So many people so quick to write to him off…

[GrahamBranchsPerm]

Is good news, seems to be doing very well.

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[depechedingle]

So many people so quick to write to him off…

Hands up, I'd wrote him off. Good to see him looking fit and doing well.

[Lakeland Claret]

Great club . St Pauli . Is this the model in practice ? Increases his value whilst on loan and sell him for decent fee ?

[jrgbfc]

Got the game on in the background and hadn't even realised it was him. Really was a great finish from the angle he ended up at.

[jrgbfc]

Great club . St Pauli . Is this the model in practice ? Increases his value whilst on loan and sell him for decent fee ?

He might end up back with us yet. Our striking options aren't that great.

[Hedontplayforyou]

Can only be a good thing for us if he is doing well. He took the goal very well.

[NewClaret]

Great club . St Pauli . Is this the model in practice ? Increases his value whilst on loan and sell him for decent fee ?

Have said for a while that this is exactly the model I think they’re looking to deploy.

Why have a squad of 25 players, half hardly playing, leaving about 11-15 that are growing in value, when you can have a squad of maybe 35-40, send 10-15 out on loan and hopefully have nearly double the amount of players growing in value?

Buying Espanyol and probably shares or outright purchases in other clubs in future (e.g. Dundee) probably enables that as well.

That said, I think the goal for all players we sign will be to play for the first team at some point, just that ALK won’t care much if they don’t but they generate profits for reinvestment.

There will also be some that don’t make it and end up being a net cost (Etienne Green being the most recent example), but again I doubt ALK will care much; it’s like any share portfolio, some will always lose, it’s about picking more winners than losers.

Back on topic: I’ve always liked the look of Hountondji. A few months ago there was a thread of posters writing him off as a dud which is ridiculous at such a young age. Let’s say he carries on this form and comes back in summer a 15 goal Bundesliga striker at 23… what price would he command?? €15m???

[Commy]

Surprising what happens when a player is put in their correct position.

[Andingle]

https://x.com/WeAreTheOverlap/status/19 ... KU4Cg&s=01

[boatshed bill]

Surprising what happens when a player is put in their correct position.

Yes; he wasn't so good, in the few games he got time in, at hanging around the penalty area hoping a ball would find him.

[BurnleyFC]

He took that tremendously.

[lewishamclaret]

That's some goal tonight again- fair play to him

[Pickles]

Great club . St Pauli .

Brilliant club. Punching above their weight. I'd recommend a visit to the Millerntor to anyone. Fantastic stadium. Tight, compact, modern but gritty, traps and amplifies the atmosphere. What the Turf should be. And as for that atmosphere - phenomenal. In my opinion fan culture in Germany is lightyears ahead of over here. I also think they nail merchandise and ticketing in a way Burnley don't.

St Pauli the district and Hamburg in general is worth a visit - one of my favourite cities.

Chuffed for Hountondji. He, Eric Smith and Joel Fujita looked the best players on the pitch. HSV are pretty rank and the game is generally a bit slower in Germany. Not taking anything away from him though - he looked quick and strong and it was an excellent finish.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Have said for a while that this is exactly the model I think they’re looking to deploy.

Why have a squad of 25 players, half hardly playing, leaving about 11-15 that are growing in value, when you can have a squad of maybe 35-40, send 10-15 out on loan and hopefully have nearly double the amount of players growing in value?

Buying Espanyol and probably shares or outright purchases in other clubs in future (e.g. Dundee) probably enables that as well.

That said, I think the goal for all players we sign will be to play for the first team at some point, just that ALK won’t care much if they don’t but they generate profits for reinvestment.

There will also be some that don’t make it and end up being a net cost (Etienne Green being the most recent example), but again I doubt ALK will care much; it’s like any share portfolio, some will always lose, it’s about picking more winners than losers.

Back on topic: I’ve always liked the look of Hountondji. A few months ago there was a thread of posters writing him off as a dud which is ridiculous at such a young age. Let’s say he carries on this form and comes back in summer a 15 goal Bundesliga striker at 23… what price would he command?? €15m???

To give a bit of context Woltemade, Sesko and Ekitike have all just sold for over 65m after scoring a grand total of:

Woltemade - 12 Bundesliga goals
Sesko - 13 Bundesliga goals
Ekitike - 15 Bundesliga goals

If Hountondji does anything like 15 goals this season we could be getting a transfer record transfer from him. Or potentially he comes back and starts for us.

[NottsClaret]

Fair do’s, it’s a tidy finish. Still a way from eating humble pie just yet but it’d be great if he keeps it up.

Genuinely thought this lad was absolute bobbins so would love to be wrong.

[NewClaret]

To give a bit of context Woltemade, Sesko and Ekitike have all just sold for over 65m after scoring a grand total of:

Woltemade - 12 Bundesliga goals
Sesko - 13 Bundesliga goals
Ekitike - 15 Bundesliga goals

If Hountondji does anything like 15 goals this season we could be getting a transfer record transfer from him. Or potentially he comes back and starts for us.

They’re incredible stats when presented like that.

As a club, I don’t think we’re big enough to maybe command the really massive fees, and obviously they have to attract a Newcastle/United/Liverpool interested to get those fees. But it just shows how, if we get this model of early identification and develop via loans model right (even for one or two players), there are potentially huge rewards on offer.

[Newcastleclaret93]

They’re incredible stats when presented like that.

As a club, I don’t think we’re big enough to maybe command the really massive fees, and obviously they have to attract a Newcastle/United/Liverpool interested to get those fees. But it just shows how, if we get this model of early identification and develop via loans model right (even for one or two players), there are potentially huge rewards on offer.

I don’t think we will get near them sums. But he’s the same age as them and if he bangs in 15 plus. I could certainly see him going for north of 30.

Long way to go and that would be a crazy achievement for him. But let’s hope he does.

[CoolClaret]

I don’t think we will get near them sums. But he’s the same age as them and if he bangs in 15 plus. I could certainly see him going for north of 30.

Long way to go and that would be a crazy achievement for him. But let’s hope he does.

If he does that and develops sack selling him, I'd want him starting for Burnley!

[Leisure]

So many people so quick to write to him off…

It's the Burnley way!

[boatshed bill]

If he does that and develops sack selling him, I'd want him starting for Burnley!

Maybe, if we stick away from the slow build up which has done us very well in 2 Championship promotions.

[Wokingclaret]

It's the Burnley way!

I don't believe it........ can we recall him

[CaptainClaret]

Encouraging start, but before we get carried away, he didn’t set the world on fire at Standard Liege last season - 4 goals and 1 assist in 18 appearances

[Lakeland Claret]

Encouraging start, but before we get carried away, he didn’t set the world on fire at Standard Liege last season - 4 goals and 1 assist in 18 appearances

That spell looks to have got him a Bundesliga stint this season though so did ok there I would say .

[willsclarets]

The goals themselves don't automatically give you a skyrocket value. Weghorst is an example of that who had a decent goal return for wolfsburg . Yes, Houtondji has different attributes, pace being an obvious one. But playing at a top premier league club requires a lot more than that.

Maybe he does end up being worth 30+, but we've been here very recently with Koleosho. We aren't half reactive on here sometimes; someone's rubbish then a world beater and vice versa within 6 months. Let's see, but all the best to him it's a great start and great for us if he does well.

[ervi34]

I don’t think we will get near them sums. But he’s the same age as them and if he bangs in 15 plus. I could certainly see him going for north of 30.

Long way to go and that would be a crazy achievement for him. But let’s hope he does.

That most certainly won't be the case. The likes of Etikite and Woltemade didn't cost the fortune solely because of their Bundesliga record. For example, Ekitike is a talented player, covers multiple positions, has a potential to become world class - that's why Liverpool wanted him, not because he scored 15 goals.

Well done to Hountondji, but I'd also argue you can't compare German to English football. Their league is famous for crazy high lines and ridiculous scorelines. That's why a lot of strikers that join the Prem from Bundesliga tend to struggle.

[NewClaret]

That most certainly won't be the case. The likes of Etikite and Woltemade didn't cost the fortune solely because of their Bundesliga record. For example, Ekitike is a talented player, covers multiple positions, has a potential to become world class - that's why Liverpool wanted him, not because he scored 15 goals.

Well done to Hountondji, but I'd also argue you can't compare German to English football. Their league is famous for crazy high lines and ridiculous scorelines. That's why a lot of strikers that join the Prem from Bundesliga tend to struggle.

Agree on these points. And 2 in 2 doesn’t necessarily mean it will continue all season. But if it did, it’s got to give him a conservative valuation of say €15m minimum? Which would still be excellent business.

[BobLordsPencil]

He's still only scired twice

[Rowls]

Agree on these points. And 2 in 2 doesn’t necessarily mean it will continue all season. But if it did, it’s got to give him a conservative valuation of say €15m minimum? Which would still be excellent business.

If his "goal a game" rate continues he'll end up with 34 for the season and you can double that figure for the opening bid, let alone sale price.

Anyway, as of this moment Hountondji's goals gave "fired st. Pauli to the top of the Bundesliga." That sounds good.

[Rowls]

Looking at the lads size and athleticism I'd say he was a stats based signing from the off.

Here's hoping he continues the great form.

[Darnhill Claret]

Hountondji had the problem of trying to break into, and establish himself at a club from the bench. He only had a couple of starts, and probably didn't have that many touches. New surroundings, new people to get to know, possibly new language to learn, maybe for the most part living in a hotel room!!
Bottom line he knew he would be judged on goals and assists by many supporters and maybe wasn't absolutely certain how the management team would judge him, but knew he probably wouldn't get that many opportunities.
I liked, that on the couple of times I saw him in home games, he knew where the goal was. He was prepared to shoot. I would say that he made the decision to try everything to get shots away when possible. He looked a strong runner and the type of player who would benefit from a run of starts, which he didn't get with us.
Good luck to the lad and here's hoping he has a successful career and that wherever he plays, he's happy.

[louieollie]

Hountondji had the problem of trying to break into, and establish himself at a club from the bench. He only had a couple of starts, and probably didn't have that many touches. New surroundings, new people to get to know, possibly new language to learn, maybe for the most part living in a hotel room!!
Bottom line he knew he would be judged on goals and assists by many supporters and maybe wasn't absolutely certain how the management team would judge him, but knew he probably wouldn't get that many opportunities.
I liked, that on the couple of times I saw him in home games, he knew where the goal was. He was prepared to shoot. I would say that he made the decision to try everything to get shots away when possible. He looked a strong runner and the type of player who would benefit from a run of starts, which he didn't get with us.
Good luck to the lad and here's hoping he has a successful career and that wherever he plays, he's happy.

Couldn't agree more with this, i really do hope he proves all of the "managers" on this board wrong and goes onto have a long and fruitful career wherever it may be.

[ecc]

Fair play to the lad because he got some shocking stick on here.

[FCBurnley]

Do we have a recall option on him or do St Pauli have a buy option or neither ? Can’t find this info