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Arfield and Gudmundsson both doubtful

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Jan 12, 2017 3:07 pm

Both Scott Arfield and Johann Berg Gudmundsson are rated doubtful for Saturday's game

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Re: Arfield and Gudmundsson both doubtful

Post by Tribesmen » Thu Jan 12, 2017 3:34 pm

Boy I was thinking they could be out for six weeks at least so that's kind of good news .

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Re: Arfield and Gudmundsson both doubtful

Post by ksrclaret » Thu Jan 12, 2017 3:35 pm

Is Boyd okay?

We could do with him being fit if those two are out.

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Re: Arfield and Gudmundsson both doubtful

Post by Goobs » Thu Jan 12, 2017 4:22 pm

too soon for Ginnelly to get a place on the bench? Kightly to start with Boyd for me if both are out but there are also lots of other options such as push ward forward with Flannagan at full back / play Darikwa out wide or move Hendrick across if needed.

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Re: Arfield and Gudmundsson both doubtful

Post by FactualFrank » Thu Jan 12, 2017 4:49 pm

Goobs wrote:too soon for Ginnelly to get a place on the bench? Kightly to start with Boyd for me if both are out but there are also lots of other options such as push ward forward with Flannagan at full back / play Darikwa out wide or move Hendrick across if needed.
I think I'd prefer Barton and Marney to start in the middle with Hendrick out wide. Certainly not Darikwa, that's for certain sure.

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Re: Arfield and Gudmundsson both doubtful

Post by ecc » Thu Jan 12, 2017 5:05 pm

I wasn't expecting either back based on the reports I read about the injuries. Bad news for both lads especially JBG who had only just come back from doing his hamstring in November.

Speedy recovery to ScottyArf and Johann.

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Re: Arfield and Gudmundsson both doubtful

Post by Vegas Claret » Thu Jan 12, 2017 5:08 pm

no bother, Pope in goal, Heaton on the right wing and Ian Woan on the left :lol:

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Re: Arfield and Gudmundsson both doubtful

Post by minnieclaret » Thu Jan 12, 2017 5:28 pm

ksrclaret wrote:Is Boyd okay?

We could do with him being fit if those two are out.
SD says Boyd and Flanagan both OUT!!!

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Re: Arfield and Gudmundsson both doubtful

Post by summitclaret » Thu Jan 12, 2017 5:34 pm

Boyd will be very much missed. He knows our system so well.

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Re: Arfield and Gudmundsson both doubtful

Post by boatshed bill » Thu Jan 12, 2017 5:38 pm

If I was manager (thankfully I'm not) I would do this:
Heaton,
Tarkowski, Keane, Mee,
Lowton, Defour,Barton, Hendrick,Ward,
Barnes, Gray
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Re: Arfield and Gudmundsson both doubtful

Post by FactualFrank » Thu Jan 12, 2017 5:43 pm

minnieclaret wrote:SD says Boyd and Flanagan both OUT!!!
So that basically means Boyd, Flanagan, Arfield and Gudmundsson are out.

Ouch.

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Re: Arfield and Gudmundsson both doubtful

Post by Claretmatt4 » Thu Jan 12, 2017 5:44 pm

boatshed bill wrote:If I was manager (thankfully I'm not) I would do this:
Heaton,
Tarkowski, Keane, Mee,
Lowton, Defour,Barton, Hendrick,Ward,
Barnes, Gray
+1 to this.

I think we've got a very effective system at home but would be foolish to try and shoehorn players on the wing when we only have one available (kights).

Imagine in if Brady is brought in tomorrow night and starts

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Re: Arfield and Gudmundsson both doubtful

Post by minnieclaret » Thu Jan 12, 2017 5:45 pm

boatshed bill wrote:If I was manager (thankfully I'm not) I would do this:
Heaton,
Tarkowski, Keane, Mee,
Lowton, Defour,Barton, Hendrick,Ward,
Barnes, Gray
Marney to start instead of Defour. Fetch him on if we need some magic.

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Re: Arfield and Gudmundsson both doubtful

Post by kentonclaret » Thu Jan 12, 2017 5:45 pm

Burnley Express and Lancashire Telegraph interviews with Dyche says that both Boyd and Flanagan are fine and should be OK, Flanagan having trained all week with no reaction.

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Re: Arfield and Gudmundsson both doubtful

Post by mkmel » Thu Jan 12, 2017 5:46 pm

If they're all missing for Saturday then we're left with only Kightly out wide.

Oh and Robbie Brady of course :)
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Re: Arfield and Gudmundsson both doubtful

Post by FactualFrank » Thu Jan 12, 2017 5:49 pm

boatshed bill wrote:If I was manager (thankfully I'm not) I would do this:
Heaton,
Tarkowski, Keane, Mee,
Lowton, Defour,Barton, Hendrick,Ward,
Barnes, Gray

I'll agree with that Bill... thankfully, you're not ;-)

Going from a back 4 to a back 3 isn't something you just do off the cuff, unless you're playing football/championship manager.
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Re: Arfield and Gudmundsson both doubtful

Post by HuncoatClaret » Thu Jan 12, 2017 5:50 pm

It doesnt matter who is fit, Defour has to start.

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Re: Arfield and Gudmundsson both doubtful

Post by boatshed bill » Thu Jan 12, 2017 5:52 pm

FactualFrank wrote:I'll agree with that Bill... thankfully, you're not ;-)

Going from a back 4 to a back 3 isn't something you just do off the cuff, unless you're playing football/championship manager.
I was really thinking of it as a back 7!

Anyhow, Sean's got my number if he needs it :D

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Re: Arfield and Gudmundsson both doubtful

Post by summitclaret » Thu Jan 12, 2017 6:04 pm

Right, so if Boydy is fit and the rest are not I would go on Saturday with, as 442 seems to be working at home:-

Heaton
Lowton Keane Mee Ward
Boyd Marney Defour Hendrick
Gray Barnes

With Barton to replace Defour around 60 mins.

However, we need to try something different away. The thing with Arsenal etc is that they kill you on the break, so 532 is well worth a try. It would give:-

3 good centre backs, 2 of which are very good on the ball.
the full/wing backs licence to get behind the opposition.
Allow Hendrick, Marney and Defour/Barton to play in their best positions and us to flood the middle
Still give us 2 strikers, with Gray's pace a threat on the break
5 big lads for corners at both ends ( This is how we are mostly likey to score away ). Ditto free kicks.
Defour's delivery/vision, especially for deadballs and to play gray in
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Re: Arfield and Gudmundsson both doubtful

Post by FactualFrank » Thu Jan 12, 2017 6:07 pm

summitclaret wrote:Right, so if Boydy is fit
Somebody has posted further up that Dyche has stated that Boyd is out.

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Re: Arfield and Gudmundsson both doubtful

Post by Jambo » Thu Jan 12, 2017 6:07 pm

Dyche's comments indicate Boyd will be fine, not sure why an above post says otherwise.

Team in #19 looks good to me, maybe with the wide midfielders swapped over, but they switch mid-game anyway. Hendrick-Ward combo makes sense given their ROI links though.

A 4-3-3 might still be worth a look at some point, but I'm concerned about Redmond's pace and suspect Dyche will want protecttion for his full-backs.

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Re: Arfield and Gudmundsson both doubtful

Post by summitclaret » Thu Jan 12, 2017 6:11 pm

Redmond is a threat, so yes Boyd to play on the same side as him.
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Re: Arfield and Gudmundsson both doubtful

Post by minnieclaret » Thu Jan 12, 2017 6:32 pm

kentonclaret wrote:Burnley Express and Lancashire Telegraph interviews with Dyche says that both Boyd and Flanagan are fine and should be OK, Flanagan having trained all week with no reaction.
Strange as this was on Sky.

14:36
BURNLEY TEAM NEWS

Sean Dyche has been speaking ahead of Burnley's home meeting with Southampton on Saturday and he admits he has injury problems.

Scott Arfield and Johan Berg Gudmundson are both doubts for the weekend.

George Boyd and Jon Flanagan are still out, but scans have revealed there are no major problems and they should return soon.

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Re: Arfield and Gudmundsson both doubtful

Post by boyyanno » Thu Jan 12, 2017 6:38 pm

Marney has been doubtful for pretty much every week this season, yet always manages to play. I suspect one of Arfield or Boyd will make the squad.

I think Brady has a suspension to serve, so he'll be ready for the next one 8-)
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Re: Arfield and Gudmundsson both doubtful

Post by kentonclaret » Thu Jan 12, 2017 6:52 pm

The LET online posted the following at 3.57PM today.

There is better news for the clarets on George Boyd. Jon Flanagan and Ashley Barnes who have all overcome knocks to train today.

On Boyd and Flanagan Dyche added "They're OK, they were both knocks, and Ashley Barnes had a knock, but we're expecting them to be OK, THEY ALL TRAINED TODAY."

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Re: Arfield and Gudmundsson both doubtful

Post by Jambo » Thu Jan 12, 2017 6:53 pm

Sky has clearly not read Dyche's quotes properly. From the Express:

“Boydy had a niggle, a bit of tendonitis, so it was common sense to make sure he was fine.

“The rest has sorted it and he has trained all week as well.”

Dyche is rarely clearer than that with injuries.

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Re: Arfield and Gudmundsson both doubtful

Post by summitclaret » Thu Jan 12, 2017 6:55 pm

This is very good news.

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Re: Arfield and Gudmundsson both doubtful

Post by IanMcL » Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:27 pm

We're so fit, it's unbelievable!

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Re: Arfield and Gudmundsson both doubtful

Post by Goobs » Thu Jan 12, 2017 9:17 pm

So does that make the line up:
Heaton
Lowton Keane Mee Ward
Boyd Marney Hendirck Kightly
Barnes Gray

??

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Re: Arfield and Gudmundsson both doubtful

Post by RVclaret » Thu Jan 12, 2017 9:44 pm

Yep that or Marney and Defour in the middle with Hendrick slotting out wide (I would prefer this, Defour needs to start).

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Re: Arfield and Gudmundsson both doubtful

Post by HiroshimaClaret » Fri Jan 13, 2017 4:53 am

Have to maintain the back 4 (as much as I`d like to see Tarkowski play)

Heaton (1)
Lowton (9) Keane (3 - hopefully back to his best) Mee (2) Ward (5)
Hendrick (7) (but I`d like Kightly) Marney (4) Defour (10) (don`t think he`ll pick Barton YET) Boyd (6)
Gray (8) Barnes (11)

( ) name on team sheet by Dyche...just popped into my head

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Post by HiroshimaClaret » Fri Jan 13, 2017 8:38 am

boatshed bill wrote:If I was manager (thankfully I'm not) I would do this:
Heaton,
Tarkowski, Keane, Mee,
Lowton, Defour,Barton, Hendrick,Ward,
Barnes, Gray
Has potential!!

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Re: Arfield and Gudmundsson both doubtful

Post by SkiptonClaret » Fri Jan 13, 2017 9:04 am

Oh dear, mentions of the inexplicable fans favourite "Kights". Time to be worried.

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Re: Arfield and Gudmundsson both doubtful

Post by HiroshimaClaret » Fri Jan 13, 2017 9:34 am

SkiptonClaret wrote:Oh dear, mentions of the inexplicable fans favourite "Kights". Time to be worried.
I do understand your use of `inexplicable` regards Kightly and the Premier League - not saying he is of that standard at all but neither is Arfield. I, like a few others, like him (Kightly) as he at least runs at defenders and can stretch the opposition, has a good engine, does his defensive responsibilities and `gets` the framework . In the game at St. Mary`s especially, Southampton had a free pass into our half and tore us apart at will (from my recollection anyway). WE re a different monster at home BUT have Gudmundsson out - a huge miss. I just think we need SOMEONE on the wing CAPABLE of forward motion (Gudmundsson pre-injury had answered those prayers).

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Re: Arfield and Gudmundsson both doubtful

Post by SkiptonClaret » Fri Jan 13, 2017 9:44 am

HiroshimaClaret wrote:I do understand your use of `inexplicable` regards Kightly and the Premier League - not saying he is of that standard at all but neither is Arfield. I, like a few others, like him (Kightly) as he at least runs at defenders and can stretch the opposition. In the game at St. Mary`s especially, Southampton had a free pass into our half and tore us apart at will (from my recollection anyway). WE re a different monster at home BUT have Gudmundsson out - a huge miss. I just think we need SOMEONE on the wing CAPABLE of forward motion (Gudmundsson pre-injury had answered those prayers).
Oh Kightly will run alright, after all he's a runner, but aside from a few fleeting moments (and yes I admit there have been some) there's zero end product with "Kights". I always think it''s the type of fan that used to give Junior Stanislas dog's abuse that will appreciate the efforts of Kightly.

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Re: Arfield and Gudmundsson both doubtful

Post by HiroshimaClaret » Fri Jan 13, 2017 10:14 am

SkiptonClaret wrote:Oh Kightly will run alright, after all he's a runner, but aside from a few fleeting moments (and yes I admit there have been some) there's zero end product with "Kights". I always think it''s the type of fan that used to give Junior Stanislas dog's abuse that will appreciate the efforts of Kightly.
That`s SOME generalisation, Skipton! Didn`t see enough of Stanislas, to be honest with you, to appraise his worth to Burnley...certainly seems to have found his niche at Bournemouth though. Can we not morph the speed of Francis, with the brilliance of Little and the brain of McMinn? That would be SOME player!!!!

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Re: Arfield and Gudmundsson both doubtful

Post by Foshiznik » Fri Jan 13, 2017 10:21 am

RVclaret wrote:Yep that or Marney and Defour in the middle with Hendrick slotting out wide (I would prefer this, Defour needs to start).

Why play someone out of position (in Hendrick) just to shoehorn Defour in?

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