Massanka targeted with racist remarks

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Sat Jan 21, 2017 6:32 pm

Massanka has tweeted about racism at the game today. Serious shame that stuff like that still happens. Hope it doesn't dishearten the lad.

minnieclaret · Post by **minnieclaret** » Sat Jan 21, 2017 6:40 pm

Vile S.C.U.M. A good exercise for him to get used to it. Because it doesn't appear anybody can stop the Neanderthals.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sat Jan 21, 2017 6:41 pm

Was this disgraceful behaviour that of Wrexham fans, or Chester's?

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Sat Jan 21, 2017 6:48 pm

Not entirely sure, he just tweeted something along the lines of: "sad there is a small minority of racist fans. Il just smile and laugh at the minority thanks".

I'm assuming it was from the opposite teams fans.

Clarettintedlense · Post by **Clarettintedlense** » Sat Jan 21, 2017 7:19 pm

Hopefully his twitter isnt 4 years old.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Sat Jan 21, 2017 9:11 pm

He has got a bright future in front of him,he will earn money and respect,he will be a role model,he might play for England he hopefully will play in the best league in the world. The person who shouted the abuse will bore a small group of like minded people drinking lager in dossy pub bragging that he shouted something at a fit young athlete from the safety of the terrace protected by stewards who in different circumstances no doubt could knock seven shades of sh1t out of him but more importantly could just compare IQ's and walk away triumphant. Not sure if there is such a thing as reincarnation but if there is I know who's I would sooner come back as.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Sat Jan 21, 2017 9:26 pm

Always a small minority of tossers where ever you go.

Hopefully it was just one or two drunken idiots as opposed to a section chanting, that would be quite disturbing in this day and age.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sat Jan 21, 2017 9:30 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Always a small minority of tossers where ever you go..

Is that your opinion on racism or Islam or maybe both?

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Sat Jan 21, 2017 9:31 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:Is that your opinion on racism or Islam or maybe both?

w-what?

bfccrazy · Post by **bfccrazy** » Sat Jan 21, 2017 9:33 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:w-what?

It's what happens when you try and act controversial for no real purpose after a few cans I'm guessing?

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Sat Jan 21, 2017 9:36 pm

bfccrazy wrote:It's what happens when you try and act controversial for no real purpose after a few cans I'm guessing?

His comment has genuinely fried my brain

what_no_pies · Post by **what_no_pies** » Sat Jan 21, 2017 9:36 pm

I had to say something to one of our fans at Stoke for racist comments. He kind of edited himself the first time but then just let his mouth go. He got told in no uncertain terms to cut it out but not one other person said anything or backed me up in confronting him. Everyone in the vicinity should collectively eject anybody who does this as a way to help stamp it out - make the racist scumbags do the walk of shame. No place for them.

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Sat Jan 21, 2017 9:40 pm

The unfortunate thing is, those with loud, racist voices, are often drowned out by the quiet, logical minded ones. And unfortunately I wouldn't risk getting a pasting off someone for telling them to stop saying X, Y and Z.

Good for you though WNP, honourable and brave.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Jan 21, 2017 9:45 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:His comment has genuinely fried my brain

He is (inelegantly) asking if you're equally as prudent when it comes to assuming Muslims are bad because a tiny minority of them are terrorists as you are when it comes to assuming Wrexham or chester fans are bad because a tiny minority of them are racist.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Sat Jan 21, 2017 9:50 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:He is (inelegantly) asking if you're equally as prudent when it comes to assuming Muslims are bad because a tiny minority of them are terrorists as you are when it comes to assuming Wrexham or chester fans are bad because a tiny minority of them are racist.

I didn't realize Chester or Wrexham fans adhered to a 1500 year old regressive ideology that a significant minority act upon, whether that be with violence, regressive laws, customs or imposing political theology. If they do, please tell me, and I'll change my views accordingly.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Jan 21, 2017 9:58 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:I didn't realize Chester or Wrexham fans adhered to a 1500 year old regressive ideology that a significant minority act upon, whether that be with violence, regressive laws, customs or imposing political theology. If they do, please tell me, and I'll change my views accordingly.

Not OK when a significant minority of Muslims do it, but perfectly fine when a significant minority of Christians do it.

In fact, in a thread about people protesting against regressive laws, customs and the imposition of political theology this is what you had to say when the theology in question was Christianity.

ClaretMoffitt wrote:My thoughts exactly.

Truth is though, special interest groups using identity politics like this aren't actually out for a genuine authentic progressive cause, mearly to further their own left wing agendas.

Otherwise there would be global women's protests over Saudi Arabia, for example in its treatment of women.

So when it's women in a majority christian country speaking out in defence of their own rights against political theology your response is to dismiss them, and point to Saudi Arabia. In short, Christian oppression of women is OK because Muslims do it too. That's what yur opinion seems to be based on your differing reactions to the two.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sat Jan 21, 2017 10:02 pm

As I've said before, I reckon there are quite a few Burnley fans who would rather see the likes of Andre Gray playing for someone else.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Sat Jan 21, 2017 10:04 pm

There was quite a few on a thread in December.

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Sat Jan 21, 2017 10:05 pm

Racism is an unusual concept, because you can't be totally against a certain thing, because it will effect you in some way, be it the clothes you wear, the electronics you use or the stores you buy stuff in.

This weird mentality of people hating "pakis" and yes, it's a word, it's not being used in a racist connotation in this context, will gladly buy a curry when they are ****** up on their **** Belgian lager and being driving home by Mohammed at 4am.

bfccrazy · Post by **bfccrazy** » Sat Jan 21, 2017 10:07 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Not OK when a significant minority of Muslims do it, but perfectly fine when a significant minority of Christians do it.

In fact, in a thread about people protesting against regressive laws, customs and the imposition of political theology this is what you had to say when the theology in question was Christianity.

So when it's women in a majority christian country speaking out in defence of their own rights against political theology your response is to dismiss them, and point to Saudi Arabia. In short, Christian oppression of women is OK because Muslims do it too. That's what yur opinion seems to be based on your differing reactions to the two.

Have you really been saving a quote from a page to restart an argument on another thread

WOW!!

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Jan 21, 2017 10:14 pm

bfccrazy wrote:Have you really been saving a quote from a page to restart an argument on another thread WOW!!

No, i went to get it when i saw him being a hypocrite in another thread when it comes to women's rights.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Jan 21, 2017 10:16 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:Racism is an unusual concept, because you can't be totally against a certain thing, because it will effect you in some way, be it the clothes you wear, the electronics you use or the stores you buy stuff in.

This weird mentality of people hating "pakis" and yes, it's a word, it's not being used in a racist connotation in this context, will gladly buy a curry when they are ****** up on their **** Belgian lager and being driving home by Mohammed at 4am.

Bigots seldom make sense and are full of hypocrisy. The funny/sad thing is they don't think they're hypocrites.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Jan 21, 2017 10:17 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:There was quite a few on a thread in December.

Careful now, or bfccrazy will laugh at you for having a memory.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Jan 21, 2017 10:19 pm

Spijed wrote:As I've said before, I reckon there are quite a few Burnley fans who would rather see the likes of Andre Gray playing for someone else.

And if they got their wish the funny thing is that what they would shout at him would suggest that they are displeased to see him playing. Or just seeing him.

bfccrazy · Post by **bfccrazy** » Sat Jan 21, 2017 10:20 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Careful now, or bfccrazy will laugh at you for having a memory.

Claretmatt4 · Post by **Claretmatt4** » Sat Jan 21, 2017 10:22 pm

This thread got our of hand pretty quick!

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sat Jan 21, 2017 10:27 pm

what_no_pies wrote:I had to say something to one of our fans at Stoke for racist comments. He kind of edited himself the first time but then just let his mouth go. He got told in no uncertain terms to cut it out but not one other person said anything or backed me up in confronting him. Everyone in the vicinity should collectively eject anybody who does this as a way to help stamp it out - make the racist scumbags do the walk of shame. No place for them.

Why didn't you just kick him out yourself? why did you need back up?
If you open your mouth and get involved in confrontation at least don't rely on other people to back you up.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Jan 21, 2017 10:29 pm

KRBFC wrote:Why didn't you just kick him out yourself? why did you need back up?
If you open your mouth and get involved in confrontation at least don't rely on other people to back you up.

Maybe because if he did he'd be kicked out himself. Then arrested.

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Sat Jan 21, 2017 10:30 pm

Arrested for saying you're English. Arrested and thrown in jail.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sat Jan 21, 2017 10:31 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Maybe because if he did he'd be kicked out himself. Then arrested.

So he's racist?

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Sat Jan 21, 2017 10:32 pm

Sometimes, Just sometimes, this board really surprises me.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Jan 21, 2017 10:40 pm

KRBFC wrote:So he's racist?

He's literally Hitler.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Jan 21, 2017 10:41 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:Arrested for saying you're English. Arrested and thrown in jail.

Britain's best comedian.

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Sat Jan 21, 2017 10:45 pm

Thanks mate, but I stole that joke I'm afraid.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Sat Jan 21, 2017 11:25 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Not OK when a significant minority of Muslims do it, but perfectly fine when a significant minority of Christians do it.

In fact, in a thread about people protesting against regressive laws, customs and the imposition of political theology this is what you had to say when the theology in question was Christianity.

So when it's women in a majority christian country speaking out in defence of their own rights against political theology your response is to dismiss them, and point to Saudi Arabia. In short, Christian oppression of women is OK because Muslims do it too. That's what yur opinion seems to be based on your differing reactions to the two.

What on earth did that quote have to do with Christianity?????

Are you saying the people walking about topless with "slut" on their chest in America are facing the same level of oppression as in Saudi??

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sat Jan 21, 2017 11:36 pm

bfccrazy wrote:It's what happens when you try and act controversial for no real purpose after a few cans I'm guessing?

Wasnt trying to be controversial and not had any cans, was just making a subtle point as IT recognised although he spelled intelligently wrong

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Jan 21, 2017 11:53 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:What on earth did that quote have to do with Christianity?????

Are you saying the people walking about topless with "slut" on their chest in America are facing the same level of oppression as in Saudi??

I'll make this simple for you. You were saying that it's terrible that Islam oppresses women in one thread, and then dismissing women who are marching against the prospect of Christian oppression in another thread.

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 12:11 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:No, i went to get it when i saw him being a hypocrite in another thread when it comes to women's rights.

Women have rights?! (For the record, mine doesn't). Jeez, what's the world coming to?!

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 12:24 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:Bigots seldom make sense and are full of hypocrisy. The funny/sad thing is they don't think they're hypocrites.

I don't know why you are blaming this on bigots.
This is clearly the work of black bloc anarchists you stupid idiot

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 12:28 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:I'll make this simple for you. You were saying that it's terrible that Islam oppresses women in one thread, and then dismissing women who are marching against the prospect of Christian oppression in another thread.

against Christian oppression?? Trump??

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 12:30 am

ClaretMoffitt wrote:against Christian oppression?? Trump??

Yes. That guy you defend against all criticism.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 12:31 am

Damo wrote:I don't know why you are blaming this on bigots.
This is clearly the work of black bloc anarchists you stupid idiot

Well at least we've got to the bottom of why you're not a comedian.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 12:32 am

So you are telling me, right now, that this global march against trump, is actually a march against christian oppression? That is what you are saying, and that is how you are likening my supposed "hypocrisy" about islam, on a thread that had absolutely nothing to do with either? Is that correct?

john'sroseyspecs · Post by **john'sroseyspecs** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 12:35 am

ClaretAndJew wrote:Racism is an unusual concept, because you can't be totally against a certain thing, because it will effect you in some way, be it the clothes you wear, the electronics you use or the stores you buy stuff in.

This weird mentality of people hating "pakis" and yes, it's a word, it's not being used in a racist connotation in this context, will gladly buy a curry when they are ****** up on their **** Belgian lager and being driving home by Mohammed at 4am.

The most sensible thing I've read for a long time. Including my own posts

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 12:51 am

ClaretMoffitt wrote:So you are telling me, right now, that this global march against trump, is actually a march against christian oppression? That is what you are saying, and that is how you are likening my supposed "hypocrisy" about islam, on a thread that had absolutely nothing to do with either? Is that correct?

I honestly can't be more clear than in post #37. If you still can't understand then i'm sorry, but i can't make it more simple for you.

Trump and his government are going to defund Planned Parenthood for religious reasons, they're going to roll back access to contraception for religious reasons, they're going to work to remove reproductive rights for religious reasons. That's why there's a women's march and not a men's march on Washington today. I'm sure there are other reasons for which they're protesting, but it's reasons like this that are their main cause in Washington. And is was in the thread for talking about this protest where you dismissed their protest.

I didn't bring Islam into it, someone else did that and you couldn't figure out what they were trying to say, so i helped you. You're the one who then decided to point out that Islam is repressive and that many, too many, Muslims "imposing political theology" on people. You're right of course, but you're the one that brought that into the discussion. Not me. All i did was point out that in another thread you casually dismissed protesters who were protesting against American Republicans "imposing political theology" while in another thread criticising Muslims for "imposing political theology".

All i did was 1) help you understand what someone else was saying, and 2) point out that you hold inconsistent beliefs regarding the imposition of political theology.

JohnMcGreal · Post by **JohnMcGreal** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 1:10 am

what_no_pies wrote:I had to say something to one of our fans at Stoke for racist comments. He kind of edited himself the first time but then just let his mouth go. He got told in no uncertain terms to cut it out but not one other person said anything or backed me up in confronting him. Everyone in the vicinity should collectively eject anybody who does this as a way to help stamp it out - make the racist scumbags do the walk of shame. No place for them.

I hope you're not implying that all those Burnley fans around you at Stoke were racist, because Rowls will be furious.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 1:18 am

what_no_pies wrote:I had to say something to one of our fans at Stoke for racist comments. He kind of edited himself the first time but then just let his mouth go. He got told in no uncertain terms to cut it out but not one other person said anything or backed me up in confronting him. Everyone in the vicinity should collectively eject anybody who does this as a way to help stamp it out - make the racist scumbags do the walk of shame. No place for them.

A lot seems to happen when you go to Stoke!

Aren't you the poster who claimed that Dave Burnley refused to move from his seat that had been bought by a disabled lad?

Never a dull moment when you're around... in Stoke anyway!

what_no_pies · Post by **what_no_pies** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 1:43 am

That other incident wasn't at Stoke, I think it was at Wolves but I can't be certain given it was something like 15 years ago. Other than an inaccurate claim that both things happened at Stoke which I'm pretty sure you've made up all by yourself, did you have a point?

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 2:12 am

what_no_pies wrote:That other incident wasn't at Stoke, I think it was at Wolves but I can't be certain given it was something like 15 years ago. Other than an inaccurate claim that both things happened at Stoke which I'm pretty sure you've made up all by yourself, did you have a point?

Apologies, if I thought you mentioned Stoke with the post about DB.

However, for legal purposes, a thread appeared on here shortly after your claim last year, that denied the incident involving DB ever occurred!

what_no_pies · Post by **what_no_pies** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 2:21 am

It's possible I did say Stoke but it was what I witnessed that stayed in my memory, not the colour of the seats. If pressed I'd say it happened at Wolves but I'm not 100% in any case. I certainly wouldn't get a kick out of making that kind if thing up about a complete stranger.