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Re: Robbie Brady confirmed (speculation)

Post by Paul Waine » Fri Jan 27, 2017 6:57 pm

Rowls wrote:I'm willing to take this responsibility myself, pending confirmation.
Was this thread started on Wednesday or was it Thursday?

I believe the original subject was "Robbie Brady confirmed."

"Speculation" was added later when we all realised that the only time that Robbie Brady was "confirmed" was as a school boy in church back in Ireland.

Then Jason O'Connor has gone from "In the know" source - to an unreliable no body.

I think "confirmed" should now be deleted - and subject changed to "unreliable speculation."

Maybe it's better to close the thread.... ;)

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Re: Robbie Brady confirmed (speculation)

Post by taio » Fri Jan 27, 2017 6:57 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:Thats how it works, believe it or believe it not, its true.
You are very much mistaken. There's only specific circumstances where it's the case such as a club trying to terminate a contract. The lack of understanding is surprising especially Vegas' mate who'd be the top lawyer in world football if it was remotely true.

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Post by SirAlec » Fri Jan 27, 2017 6:58 pm

players get loyalty bonuses but they certainly don't get their entire contracts paid up in full when they are sold

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Post by willsclarets » Fri Jan 27, 2017 7:01 pm

Well I did think that would be utterly mental - there's no way clubs would sign highly paid players to long contracts if that was the case. Rather than providing security, should it all go pear shaped and had to sell they'd be shafted.

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Re: Robbie Brady confirmed (speculation)

Post by Lowbankclaret » Fri Jan 27, 2017 7:03 pm

PaintYorkClaretnBlue wrote:That's nonsense! If the player doesn't particularly want to go but the club does then the club could give him some financial incentive to go but there's no way that a club has to pay up the contract of a player who wants to go. If that was the case what is the point of releasing somebody on a free transfer if you have to pay their wages anyway??
Players can negotiate that the club does not have to pay it, but many dont.

Do you really think footballers want fans knowing how much money they really earn. the wages they receive are only a part of the earnings they get.

The Ginger welsh Jones we signed a few years back was on 4k a week. however he had a loyalty bonus of 40k per season if he stayed. So whether he signed for some one else or stayed he got a bonus from the club.

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Post by SirAlec » Fri Jan 27, 2017 7:07 pm

Why don't these huge contract payouts appear in club accounts every year?

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Post by Lowbankclaret » Fri Jan 27, 2017 7:08 pm

SirAlec wrote:players get loyalty bonuses but they certainly don't get their entire contracts paid up in full when they are sold
Like I said, they come to an agreement.

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Post by Lowbankclaret » Fri Jan 27, 2017 7:11 pm

When we bought Charlie Austin, he put in a transfer request.

He wrote an open to the fans saying the only reason he did that was so the club kept all the funds Burnley paid them and didnt have to pay him any.

I have tried to find it but failed.

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Re: Robbie Brady confirmed (speculation)

Post by Tall Paul » Fri Jan 27, 2017 7:11 pm

If it were true, players would engineer a transfer every window.

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Post by Inchy » Fri Jan 27, 2017 7:13 pm

Surely Austin could not accept the funds, or accept them and pass them straight onto the club. Sounds like a lame excuse to me

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Re: Robbie Brady confirmed (speculation)

Post by Redbeard » Fri Jan 27, 2017 7:14 pm

Rowls wrote:I'm willing to take this responsibility myself, pending confirmation.
Right. I shall thus await your confirmation of confirmation of the confirmation being confirmed.
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Re: Robbie Brady confirmed (speculation)

Post by Royboyclaret » Fri Jan 27, 2017 7:20 pm

Sorry Lowbank, but what you're suggesting is outrageous.

For arguments sake say we signed Brady tomorrow on a four year contract and after 12 months Chelsea make an offer for him that we accept. Are you seriously saying that Burnley are then liable to Brady for the three remaining years of his contract?

Not a chance.
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Re: Robbie Brady confirmed (speculation)

Post by taio » Fri Jan 27, 2017 7:26 pm

If there's ever evidence of some people knowing nothing about how football operates it's been well and truly proven by two posters tonight - or three if you include the top lawyer.

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Re: Robbie Brady confirmed (speculation)

Post by Claretmatt4 » Fri Jan 27, 2017 7:28 pm

Is this thread still about Brady?

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Re: Robbie Brady confirmed (speculation)

Post by Lowbankclaret » Fri Jan 27, 2017 7:39 pm

taio wrote:If there's ever evidence of some people knowing nothing about how football operates it's been well and truly proven by two posters tonight - or three if you include the top lawyer.
you can choose to not believe what I say, thats fine. Its what happens. I have had the conversation with several ex players who all confirmed thats how it works.

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Re: Robbie Brady confirmed (speculation)

Post by Lowbankclaret » Fri Jan 27, 2017 7:44 pm

Royboyclaret wrote:Sorry Lowbank, but what you're suggesting is outrageous.

For arguments sake say we signed Brady tomorrow on a four year contract and after 12 months Chelsea make an offer for him that we accept. Are you seriously saying that Burnley are then liable to Brady for the three remaining years of his contract?

Not a chance.
whether you think its outrageous or not, thats how it works.
If the player wants to move he is going to accept a fairly low settlement or the selling club would just reject the bid.

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Re: Robbie Brady confirmed (speculation)

Post by Inchy » Fri Jan 27, 2017 7:45 pm

Just spoke to my mate ( currently plays for Burnley Macanics) and ask him about settling contracts.

He said "what the f*ck you on about"

Don't shoot the messenger

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Re: Robbie Brady confirmed (speculation)

Post by ClaretAndJew » Fri Jan 27, 2017 7:47 pm

If a player gets injured for 2 years for example, the club carries on paying them even though they are of no use to the club.

Seems logical that the club is responsible for the remainder of a contract just as much as a player is liable for staying there during the duration of said contract.

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Post by taio » Fri Jan 27, 2017 7:48 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:If a player gets injured for 2 years for example, the club carries on paying them even though they are of no use to the club.

Seems logical that the club is responsible for the remainder of a contract just as much as a player is liable for staying there during the duration of said contract.
Aye

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Re: Robbie Brady confirmed (speculation)

Post by Royboyclaret » Fri Jan 27, 2017 7:49 pm

"If the player wants to move he is going to accept a fairly low settlement "

If the player wants to move there will be zero settlement from the selling club.

Out of interest, are you the poster that wanted to pay Joey Barton £50k per week?

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Re: Robbie Brady confirmed (speculation)

Post by Tribesmen » Fri Jan 27, 2017 7:50 pm

So as it stands Robbie Brady is not a Burnley player ?

Right is today Friday as if it is i need a drink ............................Again
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Re: Robbie Brady confirmed (speculation)

Post by 2 Bee Holed » Fri Jan 27, 2017 7:50 pm

I am having enough problems on the Wenger thread!

Shouldn't this thread title be "Robbie Brady speculation confirmed"
Or "Robbie Brady, no one outside of the possible negotiations, has a clue what is going on"?

:lol:

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Re: Robbie Brady confirmed (speculation)

Post by claretandy » Fri Jan 27, 2017 7:50 pm

This practice of paying players up only really applies when you are trying to get rid of a player on big wages and he is going to club on less wages, it doesn't happen when you are going up the ladder so to speak.

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Re: Robbie Brady confirmed (speculation)

Post by Rileybobs » Fri Jan 27, 2017 7:58 pm

Who were the 2 or 3 posters who claimed that it was a done deal and that Brady would definitely sign today? I could do to remember who I should ignore in the future.

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Re: Robbie Brady confirmed (speculation)

Post by PaintYorkClaretnBlue » Fri Jan 27, 2017 8:05 pm

claretandy wrote:This practice of paying players up only really applies when you are trying to get rid of a player on big wages and he is going to club on less wages, it doesn't happen when you are going up the ladder so to speak.
I can see that you would want to pay a percentage of a player's wage to get him off the wage bill if he didn't particularly want to go but you certainly wouldn't pay the full amount and the club that he has also gone to pay him a second wage.

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Re: Robbie Brady confirmed (speculation)

Post by kentonclaret » Fri Jan 27, 2017 8:10 pm

Yesterday evening some posters were claiming that a bid had been accepted by Norwich and that the player was in Burnley. If that is the case why have neither club confirmed that an offer has been made/accepted?

At least Robbie made it back to Norwich on time to join in training on Friday morning. :o

"Reports that the 25 year old has already passed a medical and agreed terms with the Clarets are wide of the mark" reports the LET tonight.

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Post by Firthy » Fri Jan 27, 2017 8:13 pm

Claretmatt4 wrote:Is this thread still about Brady?
Who :o :roll:

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Post by kentonclaret » Fri Jan 27, 2017 8:19 pm

Dr Peter Brady (the invisible man) from the 1958 TV series.

Nobody seen him in Burnley yet?
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Post by Damo » Fri Jan 27, 2017 8:30 pm

Steddyman wrote:No he doesn't. He has inside contacts at the club.

He can't report all he hears before he is told to release it, or he would lose the trust of those contacts.

Get over it.
Are you his mum?

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Post by Devils_Advocate » Fri Jan 27, 2017 8:32 pm

I reckon Lowbanks nickname among his ex footballer mates is Trigger
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Re: Robbie Brady confirmed (speculation)

Post by FactualFrank » Fri Jan 27, 2017 8:34 pm

The Snodgrass thead is still winning 12-7 and he's already signed for West Ham. I wonder if this thread can catch up before the plug is pulled on Tuesday evening.

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Post by CombatClaret » Fri Jan 27, 2017 9:23 pm

FactualFrank wrote:The Snodgrass thead is still winning 12-7 and he's already signed for West Ham. I wonder if this thread can catch up before the plug is pulled on Tuesday evening.
There was a perfectly good Brady thread on 7 (so total Brady = 14.) before an idiot started a second one titled 'Robbie Brady Confirmed' and several others jumped on the 'done deal' bandwagon.

Reported it when it was just one page, not sure if that's when it got it's supplementary title.
This thread really should have been deleted/merged pretty sharpish as not only was there already a thread on the topic the title was false/untrue/a lie and fake news being a hot topic these days I don't think this forum should tolerate it as it's pretty much trolling.

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Re: Robbie Brady confirmed (speculation)

Post by Devils_Advocate » Fri Jan 27, 2017 9:30 pm

Get a grip and stop wasting your time reporting duplicate topics on messageboards their really is more to life

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Re: Robbie Brady confirmed (speculation)

Post by CombatClaret » Fri Jan 27, 2017 9:55 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:Get a grip and stop wasting your time reporting duplicate topics on messageboards their really is more to life
Would not normally care, less the fact there was already a similar topic and more that the thread title and OP was complete BS.
People are on here around this time looking for info and while there will always be rumors can we not stamp out obvious cr*p especially when it's started as a whole new thread, clogs the place up and encourages idiots.

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Re: Robbie Brady confirmed (speculation)

Post by dsr » Fri Jan 27, 2017 11:01 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:The reason they dont want to cancel the contract is they have the remainder of the contract paid to them.
So Snodgrass had 18 months left on his contract. If he was on 30 k a week , Hull have to pay him 2.3 million, now they wont pay that much they will come to a settlement. I have no idea how much it will be. He is then likely to get a signing on fee and wages of maybe 50k at WH.
So players make plenty of money out of a move.
If they put in a transfer request that means the club dont have to pay the remaining contract, I would not be giving that size of money away.
You're making the mistake there, lowbank, of assuming that because something happens sometimes, it must happen in every single case. It isn't true.

You get clubs like Blackburn recently who land themselves with a right pile of dross on £20k per week that they want rid of because they're an embarassment to have around; but the player knows they're not getting that sort of money anywhere else, so they will refuse all transfers out of the club. Unless the club pays them a sweetener to go.

And then you get other transfers, like when Derby signed Shackell, when the player is all too anxious to go. Shackell was desperate for Burnley to let him off the rest of his contract, because Derby wanted to pay him more. So when he left, he got not an extra penny off Burnley. He was more than happy to walk away without getting compensation, because where he was going was "better" than the place he was leaving.

Hull City's payments to Snodgrass will stop the moment he signs for West Ham. They will pay him nothing. Clubs only pay off part of a player's contract when they want rid and they can't offload him any other way.

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Re: Robbie Brady confirmed (speculation)

Post by Paul Waine » Fri Jan 27, 2017 11:14 pm

dsr wrote:You're making the mistake there, lowbank, of assuming that because something happens sometimes, it must happen in every single case. It isn't true.

You get clubs like Blackburn recently who land themselves with a right pile of dross on £20k per week that they want rid of because they're an embarassment to have around; but the player knows they're not getting that sort of money anywhere else, so they will refuse all transfers out of the club. Unless the club pays them a sweetener to go.

And then you get other transfers, like when Derby signed Shackell, when the player is all too anxious to go. Shackell was desperate for Burnley to let him off the rest of his contract, because Derby wanted to pay him more. So when he left, he got not an extra penny off Burnley. He was more than happy to walk away without getting compensation, because where he was going was "better" than the place he was leaving.

Hull City's payments to Snodgrass will stop the moment he signs for West Ham. They will pay him nothing. Clubs only pay off part of a player's contract when they want rid and they can't offload him any other way.
Agree. It's all about "compensation for loss of office." If I lose my job and there is a period remaining on my contract the law expects the employer to compensate for the loss of the job. If I lose my job and I walk straight into another job I've not suffered a loss - in fact I am better off. If I lose my job and I can only get another job at a lower wage, then my previous employer is required by law to compensate me for my loss, i.e. the amount by which my new wage is lower than my previous wage. If my employment contract is subject to 1 month's notice - then my previous employer has to compensate for 1 month (or give me 1 month's notice that I will lose my job). If I'm a footballer (or a football manager) on a 3 year contract the same law applies - and the compensation will be for the full period that I don't have a new job.

However, the law also requires me to mitigate my losses - so, if I'm offered a new job that is reasonably equivalent to the previous job then I should take this new job - and the compensation will be based on (a) the period of no job = no earnings and (b) the difference in wage between the new job (if lower) and the previous wage.

This is why football managers will get compensation for the loss of their role. This is also why the sacked manager might turn down immediate new roles while the compensation terms are agreed, but once agreed will be free to take up a new position.

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Post by lrac » Sat Jan 28, 2017 12:01 am

So is Brady not signing .

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Post by bodge » Sat Jan 28, 2017 12:07 am

From what i can gather it is dependent on Norwich sourcing the replacement.

People need to see what RV Claret has said because my information is, he is correct in what he has said.
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Post by IanMcL » Sat Jan 28, 2017 3:28 am

Contracts end when the player agrees a new contract with a different club and his old club receives a fee for his services, from the gaining club.

The Leeds problem was not being able to pay the agreed wages for their players. They had to sell them. However, no other club would match the silly Leeds wages. Leeds made up the difference for the remaining period of the affected player's Leeds contract.

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Post by FactualFrank » Sat Jan 28, 2017 3:38 am

lrac wrote:So is Brady not signing .
If I was a betting man (which I am), I'd say he won't sign and we won't sign anybody before the window shuts. That's where my money would be placed.

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Post by taio » Sat Jan 28, 2017 4:02 am

FactualFrank wrote:If I was a betting man (which I am), I'd say he won't sign and we won't sign anybody before the window shuts. That's where my money would be placed.
You hadn't said. I'm happy to take a moderate bet with you on someone signing.

Edit: I'll be going offline soon and may not get back online for a couple of days because I probably won't get a wifi signal where I'll be. So let's say 20 quid with loser donating to youth foundation via Tony?
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Post by FactualFrank » Sat Jan 28, 2017 4:04 am

taio wrote:You hadn't said. I'm happy to take a moderate bet with you on someone signing.
I'll take a £50 bet on Brady not signing, so long as I pay to a local charity if I'm wrong.

If you think somebody will sign you'd need to first let me know who you think it'll be.

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Post by taio » Sat Jan 28, 2017 4:09 am

Why do I need to let you know who it will be? You said you don't think anyone will sign. I think they will. That's the only relevant aspect. £20 youth foundation on a player signing or not?

Let me know by say kick-off today and I'll pick up probably in a couple of days - in Thailand and off to a remote area for a short while

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Post by Bosna » Sat Jan 28, 2017 4:45 am

Lowbankclaret wrote:When we bought Charlie Austin, he put in a transfer request.

He wrote an open to the fans saying the only reason he did that was so the club kept all the funds Burnley paid them and didnt have to pay him any.

I have tried to find it but failed.
Was that not Fletcher who donated his signing on fee to Hibs' youth academy?

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Post by Reecey1987 » Sat Jan 28, 2017 6:58 am

bodge wrote:From what i can gather it is dependent on Norwich sourcing the replacement.

People need to see what RV Claret has said because my information is, he is correct in what he has said.

So he his going to be signing then ?

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Post by Siddo » Sat Jan 28, 2017 7:02 am

Paul Waine wrote:Agree. It's all about "compensation for loss of office." If I lose my job and there is a period remaining on my contract the law expects the employer to compensate for the loss of the job. If I lose my job and I walk straight into another job I've not suffered a loss - in fact I am better off. If I lose my job and I can only get another job at a lower wage, then my previous employer is required by law to compensate me for my loss, i.e. the amount by which my new wage is lower than my previous wage. If my employment contract is subject to 1 month's notice - then my previous employer has to compensate for 1 month (or give me 1 month's notice that I will lose my job). If I'm a footballer (or a football manager) on a 3 year contract the same law applies - and the compensation will be for the full period that I don't have a new job.

However, the law also requires me to mitigate my losses - so, if I'm offered a new job that is reasonably equivalent to the previous job then I should take this new job - and the compensation will be based on (a) the period of no job = no earnings and (b) the difference in wage between the new job (if lower) and the previous wage.

This is why football managers will get compensation for the loss of their role. This is also why the sacked manager might turn down immediate new roles while the compensation terms are agreed, but once agreed will be free to take up a new position.

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Areyou saying that this happens in England? Are you talking about redundancy , employment tribunal or settlement agreement, as none of what you quote normally happens.

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Re: Robbie Brady confirmed (speculation)

Post by Paul Waine » Sat Jan 28, 2017 8:48 am

Siddo wrote:Areyou saying that this happens in England? Are you talking about redundancy , employment tribunal or settlement agreement, as none of what you quote normally happens.
Hi Siddo, yes, this is the basis of English law (hesitate to state that I'm not a lawyer and this is NOT legal advice - though I do have some "contract law" experience from my work).

But, you are right "compromise/settlement agreements" are nearly always used when an employee is "asked" to leave employment by an employer.

The point is, when the contract is a "high value" fixed term contract, as exists for all the big football jobs, the compensation for loss of office is agreed based on the underlying English law. Hence the discussion above about paying out the footballers contract.

Employment tribunals come into play when dismissal was "not fair" for a variety of reasons. Some are subject to limits on claim, other reasons aren't subject to limits. And "not fair" can make awards that don't limit the loss to the notice period (1 week, 1 month, 3 months etc) in the employment contract. One of the reasons employer asks employee to sign a "compromise agreement" - which before signing employee has to get independent legal advice - is to avoid a claim being made to a tribunal.
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Post by Reecey1987 » Sat Jan 28, 2017 9:23 am

Norwich are after a winger from wigan . Derby are after him too

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Post by JohnDearyMe » Sat Jan 28, 2017 9:37 am

If Norwich's manager was to be sacked this weekend (which doesn't seem to be beyond the realms of possibility) i wonder how that would affect things?

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Re: Robbie Brady confirmed (speculation)

Post by martin_p » Sat Jan 28, 2017 9:40 am

JohnDearyMe wrote:If Norwich's manager was to be sacked this weekend (which doesn't seem to be beyond the realms of possibility) i wonder how that would affect things?
Not well I expect. It'd probably be the end of their transfer window for players coming in and therefore (from what we've been told) the end of Brady leaving too!

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