ARTICLE: BT to screen cup tie

Den_Perry · Post by **Den_Perry** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 9:57 am

I think we should give them the whole of Turf Moor and all of the surrounding pubs within a 5 mile radius. We can then get coaches down to Sincil Bank to watch the game on a big screen. It's their big day after all, not like we are bothered about getting to the last 16 of the FA Cup or anything.....

Clarinetclaret · Post by **Clarinetclaret** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:00 am

Give them the 15% allocation and thats it. I couldnt give a monkeys about their fans, getting to that quarter final is all that matters. Last thing i want to see is thousands of Lincoln fans having a jolly. Its our ground, not theirs.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:16 am

I hope our Board and manager are not as "mushy" about our opponents as a few of the fans on here.

When we spent all those many years in the lower divisions did anyone else do Burnley a similar gesture ?....other than to line their own pockets financially and help fill their ground ?

We don't need the cash

We will get a decent home crowd anyway

We don't need to give the opposition any further motivation than they already have.

Lincoln have beaten some decent teams in the cup - teams who less than 12 months ago we struggled to get results against.

As good as our home record is in Premier League Lincoln will fancy this - it's not like they are playing Chelsea, City, Arsenal etc.

"It's their big day" is rubbish - they are coming to Burnley not Barcelona...don't give them any chance of earning what will be a really big day in the quarter finals and miss out on our own big day.

taio · Post by **taio** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:34 am

If the club designed the arrangements around an "it's their big day" ethos or concept, I'd be annoyed. Not that I expect the club to take such an approach because it would be madness. They should proceed as they always do perhaps with an adjustment to the tone in which the stadium announcer 'welcomes' the opposing team to the pitch - petulance that should be permanently got rid of. Our objective is to get to the QF; not to make new friends.

box_of_frogs · Post by **box_of_frogs** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:35 am

vinrogue wrote:I have quite a few Imp friends, they love their air raid siren when they get a corner, sing with gusto 10 German Bombers in the air and the RAF from Lincoln' shot one down....

Which is strange as we all know Lincolnshire is 'Bomber County' and thus not really home to many fighters!

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:41 am

might have already been mentioned but if you've bought a season ticket in the CFS, was the a caveat that you could be denied your usual seat for certain games?

if not, there's not really a case to answer here and they should just get the usual way allocation.

i get that we should be nice to them but thats within reason and there's a place in the quarter finals of the cup at stake here. don't for one second think that, if things were the other way round, lincoln would be giving us anything more than necessary.

duncandisorderly · Post by **duncandisorderly** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:43 am

Minimum amount of fans and give them all the money if they lose.

DavePTClaret · Post by **DavePTClaret** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:47 am

Their attendances have been around the 3,500 mark this season, meaning our usual away allocation would accommodate more than two thirds of their regular home support. "Romance" and "magic" of the cup my backside. I'd tell them to jog on.

2 Bee Holed · Post by **2 Bee Holed** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:51 am

Quoonbeatz:
In all honesty I cannot remember, but, I didn't expect it to be a problem.
Can anyone confirm this? That we were told we might have to give up
our seats in the event of a cup tie?
I go in every match and cannot say weather the steel wall can be opened.
I know there is a small door in it, perhaps the entire thing can be opened
or easily dismantled.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:56 am

quoonbeatz wrote:might have already been mentioned but if you've bought a season ticket in the CFS, was the a caveat that you could be denied your usual seat for certain games?

Was very much the case when people moved in last season because there was always the possibility they would have to come out for the Blackburn and Leeds games.

Simple fact is, Lincoln have requested the maximum ticket allocation and that will mean them getting the entire stand.

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:57 am

Give them the normal away allowance.
Get the home ends full.
Get it loud and drown them out.
Its a chance to get to the quarter finals. One win from Wembley.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:59 am

Dyched wrote:Give them the normal away allowance.
Get the home ends full.
Get it loud and drown them out.
Its a chance to get to the quarter finals. One win from Wembley.

I've posted the FA Cup rules on this thread - we cannot give them the normal away allowance given they've requested their full entitlement.

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 11:02 am

So they have the full stand. Oh well.
All this talking of doing them favours is just wrong. I honestly believe we can and are going to win the cup. With a little luck.

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 11:02 am

ClaretTony wrote:Was very much the case when people moved in last season because there was always the possibility they would have to come out for the Blackburn and Leeds games.

but was it this season?

fair enough if it was but if i'd bought a season ticket in there and was suddenly denied my usual seat because of a few daytrippers, i'd be a bit miffed.

i've no real problem with giving them the whole stand if we really have to but then i don't sit there.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 11:08 am

With regards to the hooligan/segregation element.

IF the club had any sense ( not saying it hasn't ) then we tell them which order to sell tickets ( we get told that we have to ). They sell from JH side first to season ticket holders with whatever way the use for fair reasons, then by the time they go on open sale, the tickets left should be the ones in the usual away end, making it easier to police etc.

At Many grounds fans come out the same way, by the time the players car park is segregated off near the JML only needs a dozen coppers to line up to navigate them onto the cricket field road/car park and up towards their coaches...
Easy!

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 11:08 am

Dyched wrote:All this talking of doing them favours is just wrong.

Aboslutely, just as we'd be entitled to a full end at OT had we played Man U away

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 11:09 am

quoonbeatz wrote:i've no real problem with giving them the whole stand if we really have to but then i don't sit there.

We have to if they request it and it looks as though they have.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 11:10 am

quoonbeatz wrote:but was it this season?

fair enough if it was but if i'd bought a season ticket in there and was suddenly denied my usual seat because of a few daytrippers, i'd be a bit miffed.

Unless they allow them to move to a certain area free of charge...
Then they can either get wet in the JML with the poorest view OR pay for a seat elsewhere.

( obviously that's a good will gesture this once by the club, if it wasn't published that they could be moved this year )

Walton · Post by **Walton** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 11:13 am

As other posters have already stated, the new partition wall within the CFS surely changes what was the case and now is the case with regards a fully segregated area.

Although the stand may be separate from the other three, it now has two separate entrances hundreds of yards apart. Policing and stewarding wise, this then creates the situation where Belvedere Road will have to be shut off to home fans, as per the Blackburn games recently, and Lincoln fans have sole use of the road running past the cricket club to the Longside.

This means that if the club don't stand their ground and insist that the only safe segregation is the 2,400 we provide as standard, we'll have potentially 14,500 Burnley fans from the Longside and Jimmy Mac stands entering and exiting through the narrow gap by the club shop. That's not safe.

Den_Perry · Post by **Den_Perry** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 11:17 am

Apparently they've asked for 7,000 tickets. Yeah, lets give them the whole of the Longside, it's their BIG DAY after all.

box_of_frogs · Post by **box_of_frogs** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 11:20 am

I can't see the problem with giving them the full JM. Coaches park a bit further down the road. They enter the stand from the main road only. All JH stand have to enter via Belvedere Rd.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 11:21 am

Walton wrote:This means that if the club don't stand their ground and insist that the only safe segregation is the 2,400 we provide as standard, we'll have potentially 14,500 Burnley fans from the Longside and Jimmy Mac stands entering and exiting through the narrow gap by the club shop. That's not safe.

It's up to the police and licensing authorities to determine whether that is the only safe segregation not Burnley Football Club. The simple fact is they are fully entitled to around 3,250 tickets and we can't do anything about that if they request it.

As for their 7,000 request - tell them where to go with that one.

And no romance for me, they have always been a horrible little club and I remember the way they treated our fans last time we went there, charging us more to stand than their fans paid to sit.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 11:22 am

box_of_frogs wrote:I can't see the problem with giving them the full JM. Coaches park a bit further down the road. They enter the stand from the main road only. All JH stand have to enter via Belvedere Rd.

That's even more seats than the cricket field, more season ticket holder seats lost and the family area gone. That won't happen.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 11:22 am

Den_Perry wrote:Apparently they've asked for 7,000 tickets. Yeah, lets give them the whole of the Longside, it's their BIG DAY after all.

Well clearly they won't be getting that many. I don't see what the issue/gripe is here. They're entitled to a certain number under FA rules and the easiest way of doing that is them having the whole CFS. End of story!

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 11:22 am

Just read through the whole thread and here's my opinion.

I want Burnley to win and reach the next round of the cup, and if that means we are going to be unkind to a non league team in the process then so be it.

In terms of the allocation - my understanding of it is that we are obliged to try and meet their request up to a value of 15% - on which the decision on the amount is affected by other factors such as safety and segregation. I don't think we would be breaking the rules if we gave them the normal away allocation as it would meet the requirements for safety and segregation and it would arguably be within the 15% value.

For those suggesting that they could have all of the CFS in order to exceed the 15%, understand that should that be the case I can guarantee that there will be safety and segregation issues which would be deemed unacceptable. There will be Lincoln fans who will turn up to the wrong turnstile and be instructed to walk all the way back around the cricket field to get into the same stand on the other side - that will cause problems in my opinion - unless there is an easy and safe solution to removing the partition in the stand and no or little cost.

I agree that it is a big day out for them, but we should be concentrating on beating them and getting through to the next round - not pandering to the magic of the cup to garner media favours - it is a competition - we want to win it and we have a good chance this season of doing that.

Walton · Post by **Walton** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 11:22 am

They're allowed up to 3,250 if it's safe to do so. It's not.

IAmAClaret · Post by **IAmAClaret** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 11:22 am

ClaretTony wrote: They are entitled to the whole stand - as were Sunderland and Bristol City who opted not to take up the full allocation.

Simply not true. they are entitled to 15% - not a whole stand, and not the CFS.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 11:25 am

Perhaps we can beat the non league team by playing better football and won't need our supporters in the CFS? Just putting it out there as an option.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 11:25 am

Or if they want 4k + rather than 3200. Tell them that the ones required to sit in "our end" of the CFS they may have to remain seated for 10/15 mins after the whistle whilst the crowd rushould up the side of the cricket pitch quietens down.

They either accept it or don't buy a ticket.

Somethings are made to sound difficult when really they are not.

taio · Post by **taio** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 11:29 am

We will do what we have to do. The thing that's really got on my nerves is the idea that "it's their day" when there's a chance we could get to Wembley

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 11:33 am

I want the ground full and the atmosphere thriving. A real cup tie shown around the world.

It's 2017 not 1983 if we can't let away fans go in a different stand because of fear of trouble do we really deserve to host matches?

Most grounds in the country just let fans mix together freely without any bother. What would happen if we had a bowl type stadium?

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 11:36 am

Walton wrote:They're allowed up to 3,250 if it's safe to do so. It's not.

Why is it not safe to do so? If the police and safety authorities say it is then it is and your personal view won't be taken into consideration.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 11:38 am

IAmAClaret wrote:Simply not true. they are entitled to 15% - not a whole stand, and not the CFS.

The CFS is the designated away stand and, as for every game, they will be receiving that allocation. They are entitled to more and the obvious place to put them is in the section next to it.

Walton · Post by **Walton** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 11:41 am

ClaretTony wrote:Why is it not safe to do so? If the police and safety authorities say it is then it is and your personal view won't be taken into consideration.

My original post stated exactly why it wasn't safe to do so. 14,500 people exiting the ground through one 5 metre wide street is not safe.

Buxtonclaret · Post by **Buxtonclaret** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 11:43 am

ElectroClaret wrote:Someone mentioned the David Reeves bucket the other day.

Good grief. How things turn around.

My memory might be playing tricks, but think I put a couple o' bob in a Malcolm Smith bucket in the 70s.

As for the CF, they're entitled to 15%. Segregation as it is there can't be altered, just give 'em the bloody stand.
Lincoln are top of their league, from what I've seen play some decent stuff, they're on a roll, will have a big, noisy following (bit like we did in the past at Derby/Sheff U).
These aspects of the tie won't make it easy for us.
But come on, it's what the cups about.
Let's just win it playing football!

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 11:45 am

ClaretTony wrote:Why is it not safe to do so? If the police and safety authorities say it is then it is and your personal view won't be taken into consideration.

Have the police and safety authorities said it is for this game? If so that's that.

I thought once we made a decision to sell season tickets to home supporters in the CFS for the 2016/17 season it became an home area and the designated away area was the section next too it. And that's why money was spent on sufficient segregation. I will just have to admit I am wrong CT.

NRC · Post by **NRC** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 11:45 am

I still don't understand why up to 15% entitles them to (in effect) allocating them the whole CFS. As we all know the CFS is segregated so the "up to" bit applies, which means the normal away allocation. We can't change the physicality of the segregation, nor would/should the police considérant alternate stand. I'm really not sure what the debate is regarding round pegs and square holes

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 11:48 am

RocketLawnChair wrote:Have the police and safety authorities said it is for this game? If so that's that.

I thought once we made a decision to sell season tickets to home supporters in the CFS for the 2016/17 season it became an home area and the designated away area was the section next too it. And that's why money was spent on sufficient segregation. I will just have to admit I am wrong CT.

You haven't read what CT said!! He said the CFS is the designated away stand (true) and if it won't hold the minimum number the rules state then the easiest thing to do is to give away fans the section next to it (used for home fans) too.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 11:51 am

NRC wrote:I still don't understand why up to 15% entitles them to (in effect) allocating them the whole CFS. As we all know the CFS is segregated so the "up to" bit applies, which means the normal away allocation. We can't change the physicality of the segregation, nor would/should the police considérant alternate stand. I'm really not sure what the debate is regarding round pegs and square holes

The 'up to' bit applies to how many Lincoln can apply for. If they apply for the max 15% we have to give it them (if possible).

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 11:54 am

martin_p wrote:You haven't read what CT said!! He said the CFS is the designated away stand (true) and if it won't hold the minimum number the rules state then the easiest thing to do is to give away fans the section next to it (used for home fans) too.

No they don't state that. They state that if it is possible. People are only asking if it is possible due to the segregation in there now. We have a designated away area not a designated away stand or am I missing something?. Segregation also applies outside the ground. That's why we constantly have stewards shouting at us keep to the right as we walk up Harry Potts way towards the coaches before kick off.

dushanbe · Post by **dushanbe** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 12:00 pm

In order to get the full stand it has to be fully segregated and as Walton has pointed out, it isn't. The nett result of all this is that they will get 2400 tickets in the cricket field stand.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 12:02 pm

dushanbe wrote:In order to get the full stand it has to be fully segregated and as Walton has pointed out, it isn't. The nett result of all this is that they will get 2400 tickets in the cricket field stand.

So it's attached to other parts of the ground in what way exactly?

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 12:05 pm

RocketLawnChair wrote:No they don't state that. They state that if it is possible. People are only asking if it is possible due to the segregation in there now. We have a designated away area not a designated away stand or am I missing something?. Segregation also applies outside the ground. That's why we constantly have stewards shouting at us keep to the right as we walk up Harry Potts way towards the coaches before kick off.

Problem solved then! We just need some more people with the ability to shout 'keep right'! Besides, full segregation outside the ground only happens when Rovers come and have to get the coach. For every other club thousands of fans travel by car and train and can walk where they want (I often see away fans in the club shop and don't feel the urge to set upon them). This is Lincoln City for Christ sake! Stop making problems where none exist.

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 12:06 pm

martin_p wrote:So it's attached to other parts of the ground in what way exactly?

Your only thinking about once inside martin. Segregation involves entrances exits outside the ground where segregation may become unsafe. But CT says the police and safety people have said it's safe so it clearly must be.

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 12:14 pm

martin_p wrote:Problem solved then! We just need some more people with the ability to shout 'keep right'! Besides, full segregation outside the ground only happens when Rovers come and have to get the coach. For every other club thousands of fans travel by car and train and can walk where they want (I often see away fans in the club shop and don't feel the urge to set upon them). This is Lincoln City for Christ sake! Stop making problems where none exist.

Yes but every single one of them is heading in the same direction. Your clearly not reading what people are asking. Good day

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 12:17 pm

RocketLawnChair wrote:Yes but every single one of them is heading in the same direction. Your clearly not reading what people are asking. Good day

The relevance of that point being?

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 12:19 pm

RocketLawnChair wrote:Your only thinking about once inside martin. Segregation involves entrances exits outside the ground where segregation may become unsafe. But CT says the police and safety people have said it's safe so it clearly must be.

What is it about Lincoln fans that makes them so dangerous? Are they still bitter over 1987?

vinrogue · Post by **vinrogue** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 12:21 pm

ClaretTony wrote:It's up to the police and licensing authorities to determine whether that is the only safe segregation not Burnley Football Club. The simple fact is they are fully entitled to around 3,250 tickets and we can't do anything about that if they request it.

As for their 7,000 request - tell them where to go with that one.

And no romance for me, they have always been a horrible little club and I remember the way they treated our fans last time we went there, charging us more to stand than their fans paid to sit.

My memory isn't always that bright, but I do remember going to a game at Lincoln, we were all squashed in a corner, being vertically challenged I couldn't even see the pitch. I remember that there were loads of spaces in the ground, but no we were caged worse than battery hens. Tony is this the game you refer to? Early 1990's maybe?

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 12:23 pm

martin_p wrote:The relevance of that point being?

That 2400 of them will be entering the stand to the opposite side of the ground to the other 1500. Anyway enough is enough now CT said it's been deemed safe. That'll will have to do no matter what I or anybody else thinks.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 12:28 pm

My understanding of what CT is saying is that they are entitled up to 15%....i.e. if they request 15% (or more) then we have to give them 15% as a minimum or more if we choose to. We cannot at that point give them less than 15%.

The issue of safety needs to be taken into account - as it does for every game but I am guessing that is not really an issue since the whole of the CFS was previously used for away fans so we just go back to whatever we did previously - other than there is a partition wall between some of their fans (no different to being on an upper and lower tier I guess).

Unfortunately it sounds like because of this they will get more than the 3,250 / 15% minimum - but that is more to do with the way our ground is configured rather than the club being generous....does not sound like we have any option. I suppose we could still give them the 3,250 and leave some of the seats in the CFS unsold (personally I would be happy with that but I doubt very much we would do this)

What will p-iss me off immensely is that if we give them more than the CFS stand - as that would be ridiculous and unnecessary.