Commons backs brexit.

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Wed Feb 01, 2017 8:39 pm

Thoughts? *cough* turtle *cough*

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Wed Feb 01, 2017 9:19 pm

Kris Commons? Not really news, that.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Wed Feb 01, 2017 9:23 pm

We all knew it would happen anyway, barely even deserves a thread to be honest.

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Wed Feb 01, 2017 9:25 pm

I thought they were going to veto it..

Caernarfon_Claret · Post by **Caernarfon_Claret** » Wed Feb 01, 2017 9:27 pm

It's been done properly for the sake of a few extra days - Parliamentary Democracy

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Wed Feb 01, 2017 10:40 pm

Dick.

Falcon · Post by **Falcon** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 8:38 am

Was always a formality, but had to be done by the law.

Now to the serious business of actually coming up with a strategy that everyone is content with. Easier said than done.

mybloodisclaret · Post by **mybloodisclaret** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 8:42 am

I'm sure there was an enormous threat on Brexit already? Perhaps this could have been added to that?

bf2k · Post by **bf2k** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 9:27 am

The only threat really was from the SNP because they refuse to accept democracy and to recognise that they are part of the UK and the UK as a whole voted to leave the EU.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 9:30 am

I wasn't going to comment but someone said "respect democracy" and then criticised people for not respecting it.

That not democracy either, and the sooner those who want to leave realise that and stop going on about people "frustrating the will of the people", the sooner the wounds caused by this can be healed.

Compromise is what is needed now, not f**king Daily Mail soundbites.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 9:33 am

It's amazing how many threads the Daily Mail can be brought up in and by so few posters.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 9:34 am

I'm using it as an example of extreme Brexitness, that is all.

I'm well aware (thank god!) that fortunately not too many people read it

NottsClaret · Post by **NottsClaret** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 9:43 am

Over 48% of MPs should have voted against, if they were that keen on respecting democracy.

It'd still have passed, we'd still have had Brexit. But a little reminder that the country isn't the extreme black and white world that some people like to imagine.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 9:50 am

bf2k wrote:The only threat really was from the SNP because they refuse to accept democracy and to recognise that they are part of the UK and the UK as a whole voted to leave the EU.

The SNP and referendums. They don't have a good track record do they!

Unlike our away form, at least we've got a point..

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 9:53 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:I wasn't going to comment

Give over

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 9:57 am

Well, I wasn't. But if people keep forgetting that democracy is actually slightly more than just voting, then I'll keep reminding them gently!

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 9:57 am

I hope everyone calms down now and we can all get on with it

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:02 am

Jeez, Damo I never thought that I'd agree with you on this one, but you are right.

Time to wait and see what we get out of it.

And then kick off again!

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:06 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:Well, I wasn't. But if people keep forgetting that democracy is actually slightly more than just voting, then I'll keep reminding them gently!

It wasn't meant as a negative slant, it's just that you're one (a more reasoned one at least) of about eight posters that I'd expect to see on a thread titled 'Commons backs Brexit'.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:08 am

Good point!

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:58 am

It seems Diane Abbott abstained due to being taken ill shortly before the vote ...

PaintYorkClaretnBlue · Post by **PaintYorkClaretnBlue** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 11:03 am

aggi wrote:It seems Diane Abbott abstained due to being taken ill shortly before the vote ...

Did her constituents vote remain? If so then she selfishly went sick to protect her job rather than doing the principled thing and defying the whip.

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 11:05 am

PaintYorkClaretnBlue wrote:Did her constituents vote remain? If so then she selfishly went sick to protect her job rather than doing the principled thing and defying the whip.

It was about 75-80% remain.

Hapag Lloyd · Post by **Hapag Lloyd** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 12:58 pm

aggi wrote:It seems Diane Abbott abstained due to being taken ill shortly before the vote ...

Hope it's nothing trivial.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 1:07 pm

Even more good news about the post brexit vote boom, the country is experiencing.

And coming from one of the Remoaner experts that predicted armageddon too

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theg ... omy-brexit" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 1:08 pm

The white paper is out https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... EU_Web.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 1:13 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:Even more good news about the post brexit vote boom, the country is experiencing.

And coming from one of the Remoaner experts that predicted armageddon too

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theg ... omy-brexit" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Positive but not sure if it fully proves the point I assume you're making:

The UK economy is now expected to grow 2% in 2017, compared with a November forecast of 1.4%. In its final forecasts before the referendum, in May last year, the Bank had forecast 2.3% for 2017.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 1:23 pm

That GDP growth forecast was well above the 1.4% figure policymakers had forecast in November and is in stark contrast to the slowdown predicted by the Bank and others in the wake of last summer’s vote to leave the EU.

But if you want to wallow in misery and negativity , crack on .

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 2:34 pm

Irrelevant as well to be honest.

Unlikely leave or remain voters are unlikely to care about anything else if they get a chance.

See that daft tool in Richmond handing his seat to the Lib Dems on a plate, and that the inhabitants of Stoke Central about to vote in someone who wants to sell off the NHS to the highest bidder, just because they want Brexit.

Common sense went out of the window when they announced the referendum. Its at the stage now where I never thought it would get to, in which this one thing is going to dominate till at least the next election, if not before.

dpinsussex · Post by **dpinsussex** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 3:09 pm

I voted remain. But for goodness sake lets just get on with leaving for the sake of this country

Tribesmen · Post by **Tribesmen** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 3:35 pm

I see the pound has taken a bit of a hit today .

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 5:51 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:That GDP growth forecast was well above the 1.4% figure policymakers had forecast in November and is in stark contrast to the slowdown predicted by the Bank and others in the wake of last summer’s vote to leave the EU.

But if you want to wallow in misery and negativity , crack on .

Well, the first word of my post was positive; given I do 60% of my billing in dollars it's worked out OK for me at the moment (although if 50% of my friends and colleagues end up being sacked as they are from the EU that would be less positive). I was just pointing our that the forecast was still lower than the pre-brexit forecast. You seem to have ignored that though.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 5:59 pm

I think the vast majority just want to get on with this now, only the true morons still want an outright block.

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Mon Feb 06, 2017 5:14 pm

Interesting that the BBC have analysed the results and identified that areas of poor education were likely to vote leave and better educated areas voted remain. Also highlighted in the study was that older people tended to vote leave too, and the younger generations voted remain.

So, if you're less educated and old you most likely voted to leave whereas highly educated and young you more than likely voted to remain.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38762034" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Mon Feb 06, 2017 5:22 pm

Rick_Muller wrote:Interesting that the BBC have analysed the results and identified that areas of poor education were likely to vote leave and better educated areas voted remain. Also highlighted in the study was that older people tended to vote leave too, and the younger generations voted remain.

So, if you're less educated and old you most likely voted to leave whereas highly educated and young you more than likely voted to remain.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38762034" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Bloodly stupid, uneducated pensioner morons stole my future!!

My liberal arts degree means I am smarter than them.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Mon Feb 06, 2017 5:31 pm

I think that there can be no doubt that older people were more likely to vote leave than the younger generation, but actually quantifying "poor education" is a dubious statistic, since there has been a massive increase in those going on to higher education in the past 2 decades. It does not necessarily follow therefore that a 70 year old is less educated just because they haven''t got a degree.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon Feb 06, 2017 6:40 pm

A lad on my fb stated that his parents and their generation were stupid for voting out etc.
He even blamed his parents!

My mum spotted that I'd commented on it and gave him both the proverbial barrels

I don't think he was expecting someone to come along and wipe the floor with him.

HatfieldClaret · Post by **HatfieldClaret** » Mon Feb 06, 2017 7:50 pm

The Commons supported triggering Article 50, couldn't not do it really...

Wait a wee while and see all the blocking tactics to ensure that it doesn't happen. A fair few will vote against the no deal option, after the EU fail to offer a fair deal, so they hope we stay in.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Mon Feb 06, 2017 9:55 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:I think that there can be no doubt that older people were more likely to vote leave than the younger generation, but actually quantifying "poor education" is a dubious statistic, since there has been a massive increase in those going on to higher education in the past 2 decades. It does not necessarily follow therefore that a 70 year old is less educated just because they haven''t got a degree.

Education and intelligence are two different things.

George Osborne was highly educated........

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Feb 06, 2017 9:59 pm

**** me, a Ringo post that I agree with.

Next he'll be calling Trump a liar.