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Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 4:24 pm

we become an established Premier League club over say maybe the next five seasons,would any of our fans see us moving away from Turf Moor....or will we just keep improving what we all ready have,I love it in the CFS but it's getting old and tired,if they replace it I hope it's a one tier stand like it is now...and filled with Clarets..no away fans.

PaintYorkClaretnBlue · Post by **PaintYorkClaretnBlue** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 4:27 pm

Have to stay at the turf, we won't have the demand for a much bigger capacity so I'd improve turf moor rather than move away.

SammyBoy · Post by **SammyBoy** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 4:29 pm

100% remain at the Turf, I'd hate to be in one of those lifeless out of town stadiums next door to a Nandos and a Sports Direct.

BleedingClaret · Post by **BleedingClaret** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 4:29 pm

It's sacred ground ...... end of

jlup1980 · Post by **jlup1980** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 4:30 pm

If we could somehow fill in the corner between the JMc and Longside it would be beneficial for the atmosphere I think. The CFS is a great stand and generates great noise. If it were replaced I'd like it to remain a single tier "kop". Either that or a bread bin.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 4:31 pm

Unless there is a big commercial benefit to moving, I can't see it happening (and wouldn't want to).

There is plenty room at Turf Moor for development and we don't need a significant capacity increase. Perhaps more corporate could be an option.

Whatever we do with the ground, I hope we have can have something modern but with a very traditional style. I hate all these identikit bowls with no soul or atmosphere.

Goobs · Post by **Goobs** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 4:37 pm

Do an upgrade of the bob lord and give it to the away fans, then build a newer "Kop" style cricket field stand, finally fill in the corners between the new CFS and longside (with a gap for the tunnel still) and also the longside and the Beehole.

bartons baggage · Post by **bartons baggage** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 4:40 pm

Steve1956 wrote:we become an established Premier League club over say maybe the next five seasons,would any of our fans see us moving away from Turf Moor....or will we just keep improving what we all ready have,I love it in the CFS but it's getting old and tired,if they replace it I hope it's a one tier stand like it is now...and filled with Clarets..no away fans.

Let's have a referendum on it.

Claret&Green · Post by **Claret&Green** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 4:43 pm

As long as when the bubble bursts we're not left with a nearly empty big stadium like Bolton, Coventry and Deadwood

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 4:51 pm

Goobs wrote:Do an upgrade of the bob lord and give it to the away fans, then build a newer "Kop" style cricket field stand, finally fill in the corners between the new CFS and longside (with a gap for the tunnel still) and also the longside and the Beehole.

Why would you upgrade a premium view (side of the pitch) stand to then give to the away fans? Any long term upgrade of the Bob lord should see it as the main / premium home stand, the front of which should be developed to really show the ground off. After all it's the main view of the ground that is seen from the road and on TV.

If anything I'd give the away fans the Jimmy Mac with a redeveloped cricket field stand being a home end.

yorkyclaret · Post by **yorkyclaret** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 4:53 pm

Get shot of those cheapo, uncomfortable plasticky looking stands and replace with stands with spacious, comfortable solid wooden seats and a roof design that keeps the weather out so the occupants are dry and warm.

Croydon Claret · Post by **Croydon Claret** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 4:54 pm

Stay where we are. Hate those soulless bowl stadiums where all the stands merge into one

I'm sure there's scope to extend the Bob Lord if we had to

Goobs · Post by **Goobs** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 5:00 pm

DCWat wrote:Why would you upgrade a premium view (side of the pitch) stand to then give to the away fans? Any long term upgrade of the Bob lord should see it as the main / premium home stand, the front of which should be developed to really show the ground off. After all it's the main view of the ground that is seen from the road and on TV.

If anything I'd give the away fans the Jimmy Mac with a redeveloped cricket field stand being a home end.

I only advocated doing it up as if we are increasing the whole capacity of the ground then there wouldn't be enough seats to fulfill our commitment to away fans in there as it stands. Also if we filled in the ends of the longside thus connecting it to the new CFS and the beehole then it would only make sense to have away fans in the new BL stand as it would be a standalone area whereas the rest of the ground would be linked.

Doubt we will do anything for a very long time if at all anyway without a long haul stay in the top flight with the odd top 7 finish / cup final appearances or serious foreign investment, so it is probably a moot point.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 5:03 pm

DCWat wrote:Why would you upgrade a premium view (side of the pitch) stand to then give to the away fans? Any long term upgrade of the Bob lord should see it as the main / premium home stand, the front of which should be developed to really show the ground off. After all it's the main view of the ground that is seen from the road and on TV.

If anything I'd give the away fans the Jimmy Mac with a redeveloped cricket field stand being a home end.

Agree with away fans in the Jimmy Mac.DC I'm a season ticket holder in the CFS but as my son was down from Edinburgh over Xmas I went in the Jimmy Mac lower with him on Boxing Day the atmosphere was nil and as we were on the second row back just to the right of the goal the view wasn't great either,I certainly wouldn't want to move from the Turf but while we are awash with cash improvements are inevitable, being in the Premier league probably is the best time to do it as we would lose ground space while they rebuild the CFS

NottsClaret · Post by **NottsClaret** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 5:09 pm

Attendances tend to dwindle a bit once you've become 'established'. If we're not selling out every week the first season up, it's a fair indication the ground's big enough as it is.

Repaint the seats every few years, maybe put the big screen where we can see it and job's a good 'un.

conyoviejo · Post by **conyoviejo** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 5:19 pm

Aren't we getting a bit ahead of ourselves..

Definitely stop at the Turf..

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 5:28 pm

Knock down the CFS and rebuild with a new one filling in the corner joining it to the James Hargreaves with same two tiers to
Add a few thousand seats and preferably with a purpose built safe standing area.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 5:31 pm

Id go as far as saying of we moved from the turf id stop going on.

bob-the-scutter · Post by **bob-the-scutter** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 5:38 pm

Your all so wrong. With all the talk about safe standing coming back into the game this is the best time to demolish and rebuild
THE CRICKET FIELD END TERRACE!!
Lets face it, 99% of everyone stands up anyway so lets be trail-blazers and get that fantastic terraced kop from the 60s back where it belongs.

Claretforever · Post by **Claretforever** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 5:41 pm

I'd perhaps add a few thousand on the overall capacity, and do it by the following.

Bob Lord and Cricket Field Stand to be rebuilt as one stand wrap around. Both areas looking quite unique with seating in the Bob Lord(4,000 seats with corporate at the back), and seating around the corner of the wrap (there would be 1,000 away seats in that corner). The Cricket Field would be a safe standing area for 5,000 fans, split 2,000 away and 3,000 home. I'd also have it fairly steep so it's like a wall of fans and so those two stands wouldn't be too much smaller in height than the current two newer ones.

Overall capacity would be just under 25,000

Oh, I'd actually fill in between the CFS (the 'Cricket Kop') to enclose the atmosphere but not for fans, but a changing room block, so that the concourse underneath was more open.

Still look unique. Still have character. Still be our Turf!

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 5:53 pm

I think its the next stage for you, redevelop that hideous stadium, yes. Moving shouldn't be ruled out either as traffic must be awful on Saturdays around there on match days. Look at Wigan's stadium for example, access and parking is excellent.

bfcwest · Post by **bfcwest** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 5:57 pm

Stay at Turf Moor, but capacity needs increasing as we should be looking to attract more and more regular fans as we become more established in the Prem. Make the Bob Lord bigger and get rid of the pillars!! This would balance the ground out and help it look more imposing on TV.

Those of you who say we don't need to increase capacity because we only sell out a few times are missing the point. How many extra tickets could we sell for the games like Chelsea? Could we have reached 28000 for example, that is the question? The extra fans who WOULD have been able to turn up for the big games might eventually start coming more regularly once they get the bug. But at the moment we are turning fans away several times a season. You can't grow the fanbase as quickly with a smaller ground.

Plus, another reason we often only get to about 20k attendance is because the only seats that are left are singles and 'get wet with a poor view' seats. When these are all that is left I think many late decision walk-ons decide to just not bother. We need more 'better' seats, and that is why extending the Bob Lord backwards would make a big improvement.

Let's aim high rather than think 'little old Burnley....'
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Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 5:59 pm

they should reintroduce the old beehole end bogs, nowt like them in a modern ground .

TsarBomba · Post by **TsarBomba** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 6:01 pm

I think there has to be some serious thought into at least modernising the ground, now that we look to have secured a second season in the PL.

I love the tradition, the location, and the feel of the Turf. It's a proper ground with proper fans, but make no mistake, it's looking tired and shabby in a lot of places.

As already mentioned, new frontage to the Bob Lord wouldn't go amiss, and a more long term solution to the CF is required.

bob-the-scutter · Post by **bob-the-scutter** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 6:03 pm

Saxoman wrote:I think its the next stage for you, redevelop that hideous stadium, yes. Moving shouldn't be ruled out either as traffic must be awful on Saturdays around there on match days. Look at Wigan's stadium for example, access and parking is excellent.

For the shoppers!

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 6:05 pm

bfcwest wrote:Stay at Turf Moor, but capacity needs increasing as we should be looking to attract more and more regular fans as we become more established in the Prem. Make the Bob Lord bigger and get rid of the pillars!! This would balance the ground out and help it look more imposing on TV.

Those of you who say we don't need to increase capacity because we only sell out a few times are missing the point. How many extra tickets could we sell for the games like Chelsea? Could we have reached 28000 for example, that is the question? The extra fans who WOULD have been able to turn up for the big games might eventually start coming more regularly once they get the bug. But at the moment we are turning fans away several times a season. You can't grow the fanbase as quickly with a smaller ground.

Plus, another reason we often only get to about 20k attendance is because the only seats that are left are singles and 'get wet with a poor view' seats. When these are all that is left I think many late decision walk-ons decide to just not bother. We need more 'better' seats, and that is why extending the Bob Lord backwards would make a big improvement.

Let's aim high rather than think 'little old Burnley....'
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BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 6:15 pm

We are, apparently, one of only 3 clubs still on the site of their original grounds so, for me, we have to stay. It is, as BleedingClaret says (#4), (a) sacred ground. Now the question has been asked, it need never be asked again.

TsarBomba · Post by **TsarBomba** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 6:17 pm

Just to add, we have absolutely done things the right way by investing in the squad as a priority, followed recently with improvements at Gawthorpe.

I wonder if PNE or Bolton would do things differently again if they could, and I'm pretty sure Gartside hinted at that in an interview after the Reebok was built.

No Ney Never · Post by **No Ney Never** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 6:25 pm

Saxoman wrote:I think its the next stage for you, redevelop that hideous stadium, yes. Moving shouldn't be ruled out either as traffic must be awful on Saturdays around there on match days. Look at Wigan's stadium for example, access and parking is excellent.

The Turf is not hideous. What is hideous is a 33,000 seater that's at best only 1/3 occupied where one whole side looks like an extended bike shed, not to mention a pitch where **** can be seen on a regular basis.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 6:28 pm

1 vote here for the Bread Bin idea

wilks_bfc · Post by **wilks_bfc** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 6:34 pm

Me and another Claret had this convo the other week with a Mackem on the drive up to Sunderland.

If we were to move, where would we move to?
If we were to redevelop, then that would reduce capacity for a significant period.
If we were to rebuild on current site, we would have to ground share, but who with?

Claretmatt4 · Post by **Claretmatt4** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 6:41 pm

I'd love to have both stands behind the goals home only and shove away fans in some corner. We'd need a stand with corners first.

AndrewJB · Post by **AndrewJB** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 6:44 pm

Turf Moor is the second oldest continuously played on pitch in English professional football (after Deepdale). That is surely by itself enough to not move.

There is also something else about match day. The columns of claret-clad humanity all descending on the same place from different directions. For me as a child - during the mid-seventies, when we were good - that was magical (though back then they weren't all claret clad).

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 7:08 pm

Fortunately we are blessed with a board that understand the situation. There is no way, nor any need, to relocate.
Replace the CFS when the FA remove their heads from their arses and allow safe standing. Altering it before then would be a massive missed opportunity, so if we have to bear with it for several more years so be it.

SGr · Post by **SGr** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 7:09 pm

Absolutely must stay at the Turf

Clarinetclaret · Post by **Clarinetclaret** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 7:15 pm

I would love to see the Bob Lord and Cricketfield replaced with decent, modern new stands.

Paranoid · Post by **Paranoid** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 7:32 pm

Cannot see the bob lord being replaced any time soon, there has been investment in this recently including the new club shop and offices The cricket field stand is a different matter, had my first season ticket in there in 1973 with my dad, returned this season and think the atmosphere is great, however the stand hasn't changed much in 44 years!

RalphCoatesComb · Post by **RalphCoatesComb** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 7:34 pm

Steve1956 wrote:would any of our fans see us moving away from Turf Moor

No, Nay, Never !

summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 7:44 pm

The most important thing is to stay on the current site, for the history and equally the good of the town. What good , for example, is Horwich to Bolton or indeed Horwich.

I just love the crowds in the town centre. The income to the Council (i.e us) in business rates, car parking etc is crucial to Burnley.

Ric_C · Post by **Ric_C** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 7:53 pm

Maximise the intimidation factor. Worth millions compared to the x amounts on extra fans etc.

We are actually in a unique position. We have seen time and time again that relocation doesn't really work (barring the odd discrepancy)

Stay up and we have the potential to mould our stadium into a real intimidating arena. Add to the fact safe standing may become an option, and we have the possibility of improving our Turf to be a unique place where no away team/fan wants to come

Billy_Bumface · Post by **Billy_Bumface** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 8:04 pm

Turf Moor 'til I die.

50 shades of Grey · Post by **50 shades of Grey** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 9:15 pm

We must NEVER leave the Turf, or alter it to much either. It is what it is, a proper football ground, in the middle of a proper football town. I love the fact the CFS is a bit 'dated', and away fans whinge about it, who cares what they think.

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dougcollins · Post by **dougcollins** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 10:37 pm

'I think its the next stage for you, redevelop that hideous stadium, yes. Moving shouldn't be ruled out either as traffic must be awful on Saturdays around there on match days. Look at Wigan's stadium for example, access and parking is excellent.'

You seriously haven't got a clue, have you?

Six fingers · Post by **Six fingers** » Sat Feb 04, 2017 8:14 am

We have to be very careful what we do.
At the moment the balance is just right
Boxs at back of bob Lord stand could be the
Next step.The roof of the stand would have to
Be the same disign not to loose any atmos in there (what atmos there is ) would hate it if they build another Jimmy Mac stand

arise_sir_charge · Post by **arise_sir_charge** » Sat Feb 04, 2017 8:31 am

I know there have been a lot of changes with the club shop etc but surely those changes have been designed to ensure they remain even if we bulldozed the rest of the stand?

Holmeclaret · Post by **Holmeclaret** » Sat Feb 04, 2017 8:51 am

The Turf is the Turf.
"We are the longside, Burnley"
It's in our blood.
End of.