Speeding Fine

[PaintYorkClaretnBlue]

erm PYCB: Since when can a shoplifter kill someone? Driving a 1-ton piece of metal around needs to be governed, even at 30mph,
it tends to kill people.

I don't disagree with what you are saying and wouldn't have a problem if the cameras were located in built up areas, accident black spots etc i.e. Where they are supposed to be located. My problem is when they are located in relatively safe areas purely to get cash because they know that the reasonable driver won't speed in built up areas but may slightly speed in safer areas.

My comparison with shoplifters was to emphasis the attitudes of the courts in the leniency given to them compared with the sentences dished out to motorists.

In an ideal world nobody would speed at all, and I certainly don't condone speeding at all. My views don't come from being one of those caught for speeding, I've never had any points on my licence, more from the lack of perceived justice for other crimes compared to motoring offences.

My daughter drives now and I've told her, the easiest way for a decent, upstanding member of the public to go to prison is via killing someone whilst speeding, texting etc. Those sentences are totally justified.

[Lancasterclaret]

As someone who cycles with his kids to school every day, anyone speeding in a built up area can't really complain if they get caught. The speed limits are there for a reason, and I reckon I get passed by a car driver smashing the speed limit near us every day.

This morning, a women coming the other way in a twenty zone must have doing over forty, and she had a car full of kids.

[aggi]

My daughter drives now and I've told her, the easiest way for a decent, upstanding member of the public to go to prison is via killing someone whilst speeding, texting etc. Those sentences are totally justified.

Killing someone whilst speeding, texting etc doesn't sound very decent or upstanding. Basically the person is taking the attitude that being a few minutes late or not being able to read a text is more important than risking someone else's life.

The attitude of that could be me for the grace of god is why drivers get off so lightly compared to other offences with excuses like, they just appeared out of nowhere or the sun was in my eyes.

[Joe14]

Shoplifters?? Seriously??

Speeding motorists can and do kill/ cause serious injury

Shoplifters generally don't kill/cause injury



Attitudes quickly change when a driver doing 50 in 30 zone kills one of your family members.

In the meantime drivers will still choose to speed. Don't speed and trust me cameras are NOTan issue. If you don't speed to don't even have to look out for the sneakily parked speed van. It's of no concern.

Then there's the driver who thinks it's ok to take that call, send that text and kill that passing pedestrian.

Fines/ points need to continue to rise!!!

Anyway the above will get slagged off and the speeding will continue. That is for 100% certain!!

[PaintYorkClaretnBlue]

Killing someone whilst speeding, texting etc doesn't sound very decent or upstanding. Basically the person is taking the attitude that being a few minutes late or not being able to read a text is more important than risking someone else's life.

The attitude of that could be me for the grace of god is why drivers get off so lightly compared to other offences with excuses like, they just appeared out of nowhere or the sun was in my eyes.

What I'm trying to get at (maybe wording it badly) is that an honest person who would usually never see the inside of a courtroom could end up, quite rightly, serving a long sentence for one momentary mistake, such as reading a text. Everyone knows what kids (and others) are like these days with their phones, I was just trying to get across to her the possible consequences of doing no, not only for the person who loses their life, but also the driver of the offending vehicle.

I hope that clarifies what I mean.

[COBBLE]

Was 'caught' (doing 35 mph). Went on the course a few years ago (at Leyland) and overall learned something. What I did notice was the average age of the other participants was like me over 50. Looks like the younger folks when they go over the limit they go for it by many mph. So don't get the chance of the course. Us older folks just sort of drift over a bit! Its a pain, there is a cynical element of fund raising involved, there are some unfair situations but there has to be some sanction somewhere.

[PaintYorkClaretnBlue]

Shoplifters?? Seriously??

Speeding motorists can and do kill/ cause serious injury

Shoplifters generally don't kill/cause injury



Attitudes quickly change when a driver doing 50 in 30 zone kills one of your family members.

In the meantime drivers will still choose to speed. Don't speed and trust cameras are not an issue.

Then there's the driver who thinks it's ok to take that call, send that text and kill that passing pedestrian.

Fines/ points need to continue to rise!!!

Anyway the above will get slagged off and the speeding will continue. That is for 100% certain!!

I think that if you look back you will see that I don't condone speeding at all, I'm merely pointing out the sentences given for other crimes are ridiculously lenient and I wish the courts would recognise the harm that they actually do. Shoplifting is one of the less serious crimes but when you get a conditional discharge for your 20th offence, it's taking the p1ss.

I have no issues with fines/points continuing to rise, it won't affect me anyway.

In relation to your point about doing 50 in a 30 zone, that driver deserves everything that they get. I was talking about the driver doing 35 on a road with no houses, pavements etc.

[StuffyClaret]

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[JarrowClaret]

Aggi although I understand your point about the excuses and some would make an excuse out of it but please be aware that they are also genuine reasons why someone unfortunately could kill someone on the road. Don't forget the driver would have to go through a full police investigation and to justify his actions not only to them but the Coroner as well. Anyway not really the point of this thread and wouldn't want it to be dragged down that route.

[IAmAClaret]

When I was offered the 'speed-awareness course', at the age of 25, I was surprised to see I was by far the youngest person on the day. At a guess, the average age must of been around 45. I did 36mph in a 30mph.

Either the 'typical speeding young driver" has decided to accept the points and pay the fine (unlikely), or the stigma attached to them is completely false (likely).

[Newty]

When I was offered the 'speed-awareness course', at the age of 25, I was surprised to see I was by far the youngest person on the day. At a guess, the average age must of been around 45. I did 36mph in a 30mph.

Either the 'typical speeding young driver" has decided to accept the points and pay the fine (unlikely), or the stigma attached to them is completely false (likely).

I was 22 when I was offered mine, there was only 1 person younger than me in a group of about 30, the third youngest was in their 40's!
Gender wise it was much more even.

[dsr]

Possibly younger drivers ar emore likely to have the gizmos that warn them of speed cameras so they can slow down? Or they're more likely to watch out for the cameras? Speed cameras are designed to catch people who are accidentally speeding (either careless with their speed, or didn't see a sign), and there I dare say older people may be more likely to get caught. Deliberate speeding is a lot easier to get away with nowadays, if you know where the cameras are.

[BennyD]

If you do 50mph past a school you won't be on a speed awareness course!

And if you only do 5mph, you'll be on a register!

[Mattster]

Expecting my first in 13 years of driving for speeding on the Padiham bypass.

Was stuck behind someone doing 35mph all the way from Fence to Higham, when I saw the chance to overtake at the bottom of the hill by Higham (where the markings change to show it's legal and safe to overtake) I went to only for the driver to then speed up to 50mph, the gap I'd left in the long procession behind this tool had closed and traffic was now approaching on the other side so I had to speed up to avoid a collision staight through the speed camera zone.

I was somewhere between 50-57mph I think, wasn't safe to be checking at that point. This was just over a week ago, how long does it take for the letter to arrive? When will I know if I've gotten away with it?

[PaintYorkClaretnBlue]

A notice of intended prosecution has to be sent to the registered keeper within 14 days. That's sent though, not received.

[Mattster]

A notice of intended prosecution has to be sent to the registered keeper within 14 days. That's sent though, not received.

Thanks. 14 days to sweat then, I reckon!

[PaintYorkClaretnBlue]

I think that if you get to 16 or 17 days without one you can start to relax.

[Claretforshaw]

Just to give you a bit more hope Mattster,I received mine on the 7th having committed the "offence" on the 5th (11.33 am) which was a Sunday so within two working days. They are an enthusiastic lot in South Yorkshire, they don't mess about !!

[PaintYorkClaretnBlue]

My wife got one on the Tuesday when she got caught on the Saturday so I agree, you're more than likely safe!! Fingers crossed!

[ClaretEngineer]

Thanks. 14 days to sweat then, I reckon!

Check the franking on the envelope, it has been known that prosecution letters to have been ''backdated''

[Walton]

I got one on the A590 last year and was really annoyed with it, as it seemed to be completely set as a trap. I wasn't offered the speed awareness course either, which was even more annoying.

There's a camera set up just at the end of a NSL dual carriageway, very shortly after the road narrows to one lane. No signs reminding that it's NSL, and that the limit automatically then drops to 60, so I cruised through at the same 67 I'd been doing on the dual carriageway. Wasn't familiar with the road, it was sunset, I basically wasn't expecting it at all. I wasn't rushing in the slightest, and it certainly didn't feel dangerous.

Caught bang to rights, doing 67 in a 60. Just feels like it was on a technicality.

I didn't receive anything through the post for 3 months, and even then it arrived very, very close to the end of the period you have to respond. I questioned them why I hadn't had anything before then, when they have a short period in which to send them. All they did was say that they'd definitely sent one and I should pay up if I didn't want to go to court. Given the really short time before the deadline ended, I coughed up and took the 3 points on the chin.

Bastards.

[Murger]

Got caught doing 37 on Princess Way. Could have sworn you could do 40 on there.
Having to go to Leyland on the speed awareness course is a pisstake.

[Tall Paul]

Got caught doing 37 on Princess Way. Could have sworn you could do 40 on there.
Having to go to Leyland on the speed awareness course is a pisstake.

Sounds like it could be useful since you don't seem to be aware of the correct speed limits.

[JarrowClaret]

You only get offered speed awareness courses if you are within a certain amount of MPH of the speed limit not sure what that is but would assume you are above that or maybe you only get offered for 30 MPH zones. Something you learn on the course if listening when you are travelling on a road that has road lights spaced out at even distances along it assume it is 30 MPH unless you see a sign suggesting otherwise.

[JohnMac]

Attended one in Ossy recently having been pinged for 36mph. My fault, no excuses.
I have never done the highway code having learnt to drive in Germany so did learn a lot and as said elsewhere, they didn't preach.

[JohnMac]

By the way in Germany in the 90's I have seen mobile speed cameras deployed in woods near a bend and covered in camouflage netting. They didn't care about your sensitivity and expectation of warning signs!