Crowd v Lincoln

Garnerssoap · Post by **Garnerssoap** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 9:34 am

Is it just me who'd be mortified if people got chucked out or tickets cancelled just for being a Lincoln fan in the home end
It's a free country(just) and we're not in the eighties

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 9:38 am

Can we just get this game out of the way. Us burnley fans shouldn't have to converse with the likes of Lincoln

fatboy47 · Post by **fatboy47** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 9:39 am

They'll be reyt if they don't do owt daft..

Corky · Post by **Corky** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 9:43 am

There was a small group of Wimbledon fans on the Longside for THAT game and no-one bothered them. Mind you at the end of the game they were just stood there in amazement that they had won. We just filed past in shock. I can still remember it as clear as today.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 9:50 am

Garnerssoap wrote:Is it just me who'd be mortified if people got chucked out or tickets cancelled just for being a Lincoln fan in the home end
It's a free country(just) and we're not in the eighties

Does that go for fans of other clubs or just Lincoln?

Garnerssoap · Post by **Garnerssoap** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 9:53 am

Personally, it wouldn't bother me whoever it was

2 Bee Holed · Post by **2 Bee Holed** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 9:55 am

Hill Imp.
Ok I accept you are just a fan, but it was you who defined arrogance for us.
To repeat, my two questions were;

1/. Why did you ask for 35% of our ground?
2/. How many of your fans have paid over £10 for their tickets?
Have you a bucket in your ticket office where they put their voluntary donation to your club?
How much have you raised so far?

I'll attempt to answer it for you;

1/. It was an arrogant request from your club, it took no account of crowd segregation and safety.
2/. Some of your fans were complaining that we were charging only £10 and £5, and that this would affect your income from the tie. I understand you will be getting about £1/4 million in TV revenue alone. The complaints about ticket prices shows some arrogance on behalf of some of your fans.
Burnley charged these prices against Sunderland and Bristol City in previous rounds. So why do some of your fans think Lincoln are a much bigger attraction and we should pay more to watch you? Please remember Burnley fans are regularly asked to pay at least £30 to see their team in the league, the club are trying to help us out financially. So we suggested you collect voluntary donations at your ground when purchasing a ticket, say put an extra £10 in a bucket. Is that going on? Did you put extra money in? How much did you pay for your ticket? How much extra has been raised?

So when defining arrogance, we seem to have two examples here of arrogance, one on behalf of your club and the other on behalf of some of your supporters. It would seem the arrogance is not only coming from the Burnley side of the tie.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 9:58 am

I had a City fan next to me in the CF.

We chatted football like we would of done in the pub or at work.

He got a shock at the celebration when Dean Marney hit that screamer mind.

Claretforever · Post by **Claretforever** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 9:59 am

I'd also suggest it barely took any account of what Burnley might sell, our fans who would have to move and inconvenience, and what our club might think of giving a club a noise advantage.

Claretforever · Post by **Claretforever** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 10:00 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:I had a City fan next to me in the CF.

We chatted football like we would of done in the pub or at work.

He got a shock at the celebration when Dean Marney hit that screamer mind.

Were you kissing him?

2 Bee Holed · Post by **2 Bee Holed** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 10:03 am

Garnerssoap wrote:Personally, it wouldn't bother me whoever it was

Garnerssoap: It is private land and a privately owned club. Those are the terms under which the ticket is purchased and has been for years. The club can make up whatever rules they want. If you don't like the rules, then don't buy the ticket. The club have made it crystal clear that you could loose your ticket if you don't actually support Burnley, fair play to them for making it so clear.
Personally, I am becoming alarmed at posters encouraging opposition fans to buy our tickets, which stands are safest etc.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 10:03 am

Claretforever wrote:Were you kissing him?

I got to third base. Dean Marney can make you do things like that.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 10:13 am

2 Bee Holed wrote:Garnerssoap: It is private land and a privately owned club. Those are the terms under which the ticket is purchased and has been for years. The club can make up whatever rules they want. If you don't like the rules, then don't buy the ticket. The club have made it crystal clear that you could loose your ticket if you don't actually support Burnley, fair play to them for making it so clear.
Personally, I am becoming alarmed at posters encouraging opposition fans to buy our tickets, which stands are safest etc.

Or maybe we have grown up supporting Burnley at a lot of grounds that have accomadated beyond what they had to.

I'm glad the Accy fans didn't cry about Burnley fans being in the home ends this year, or United.
It was good of Bradford City to keep moving their fans up out of their seats to allow more Burnley fans in for the Ian Moore game.
Generous of Mansfield to sneak 200 ticketless Burnley fans in the home end so they didn't miss the top of the table clash.
How good were Carlisle and York for giving us 3 of the stands?
Sheff United for the extra 1k tickets in their end on top of the usual 7k allocation.

vinrogue · Post by **vinrogue** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 10:27 am

Lincoln fans attempting to get into our areas face being "spotted" by the boys in blue from Lincolnshire who will be at the game to ensure this doesn't happen. More over any known "Lincoln idiots" will of course be recognised by the "spotters", it is these types of fans that should not be in amongst Burnley Supporters imo.

TomImp · Post by **TomImp** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 10:27 am

2 Bee Holed wrote:Hill Imp.
Ok I accept you are just a fan, but it was you who defined arrogance for us.
To repeat, my two questions were;

1/. Why did you ask for 35% of our ground?
2/. How many of your fans have paid over £10 for their tickets?
Have you a bucket in your ticket office where they put their voluntary donation to your club?
How much have you raised so far?

I'll attempt to answer it for you;

1/. It was an arrogant request from your club, it took no account of crowd segregation and safety.
2/. Some of your fans were complaining that we were charging only £10 and £5, and that this would affect your income from the tie. I understand you will be getting about £1/4 million in TV revenue alone. The complaints about ticket prices shows some arrogance on behalf of some of your fans.
Burnley charged these prices against Sunderland and Bristol City in previous rounds. So why do some of your fans think Lincoln are a much bigger attraction and we should pay more to watch you? Please remember Burnley fans are regularly asked to pay at least £30 to see their team in the league, the club are trying to help us out financially. So we suggested you collect voluntary donations at your ground when purchasing a ticket, say put an extra £10 in a bucket. Is that going on? Did you put extra money in? How much did you pay for your ticket? How much extra has been raised?

So when defining arrogance, we seem to have two examples here of arrogance, one on behalf of your club and the other on behalf of some of your supporters. It would seem the arrogance is not only coming from the Burnley side of the tie.

As I'm not Hillimp I can't answer the second question, although personally I'm happy with the pricing structure. We have done it in previous rounds to smaller clubs who "cup final" it was so to moan about now seems a bit hypocritical to me.

However on why we asked for 35%. I think the simple answer is why not. If we'd been given them, say with one of the stands along the side of the pitch it would of given us a huge advantage that we may( we'll still be loud) no longer have. It's like the adage don't ask, don't get. One other this is they may have looked a your Fa Cup attendences and see some room for more tickets

2 Bee Holed · Post by **2 Bee Holed** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 10:39 am

Tom Imp:

I don't care who answers it. How much did you pay for your ticket? and did you put some extra money in a box as a donation to your club?

So it was arrogance to ask for 35%. No thought for our season ticket holders, I've already lost my seat and am having to sit elsewhere!
No thought for crowd segregation inside/outside the ground, no thought about safety. Arrogance.

Claretforever · Post by **Claretforever** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 10:39 am

TomImp wrote:As I'm not Hillimp I can't answer the second question, although personally I'm happy with the pricing structure. We have done it in previous rounds to smaller clubs who "cup final" it was so to moan about now seems a bit hypocritical to me.

However on why we asked for 35%. I think the simple answer is why not. If we'd been given them, say with one of the stands along the side of the pitch it would of given us a huge advantage that we may( we'll still be loud) no longer have. It's like the adage don't ask, don't get. One other this is they may have looked a your Fa Cup attendences and see some room for more tickets

You're right that if you don't ask you don't get, but I think it's the astonishment when you didn't get them that has us talking about it.

Regarding previous Cup crowds, that doesn't factor in that we're now in the 5th round, which is serious stages, and we haven't played Lincoln for a long time so will spike a bit of interest.

2 Bee Holed · Post by **2 Bee Holed** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 10:51 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:Or maybe we have grown up supporting Burnley at a lot of grounds that have accomadated beyond what they had to.

I'm glad the Accy fans didn't cry about Burnley fans being in the home ends this year, or United.
It was good of Bradford City to keep moving their fans up out of their seats to allow more Burnley fans in for the Ian Moore game.
Generous of Mansfield to sneak 200 ticketless Burnley fans in the home end so they didn't miss the top of the table clash.
How good were Carlisle and York for giving us 3 of the stands?
Sheff United for the extra 1k tickets in their end on top of the usual 7k allocation.

Quicken.
I sat with the Utd. fans for our recent match at OT. I didn't go on their board asking how to go about it, or brag about it, I just quietly did it.
I did mention it on this board after the event. BFC could have given them the JM stand, perhaps their arrogance put BFC off thinking about how they could accommodate that number. Perhaps they thought, why give up home advantage. If they do end up in our stands, I hope they keep quiet, like I did at OT. Did Carlisle and York give us 3 stands? or was it the police saying we have to get them in somehow and off the streets. I recall some trouble at Carlisle as we spilled out onto the third side.
Why are you bringing all this up? What are you suggesting we do?

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 10:55 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:Or maybe we have grown up supporting Burnley at a lot of grounds that have accomadated beyond what they had to.

I'm glad the Accy fans didn't cry about Burnley fans being in the home ends this year, or United.
It was good of Bradford City to keep moving their fans up out of their seats to allow more Burnley fans in for the Ian Moore game.
Generous of Mansfield to sneak 200 ticketless Burnley fans in the home end so they didn't miss the top of the table clash.
How good were Carlisle and York for giving us 3 of the stands?
Sheff United for the extra 1k tickets in their end on top of the usual 7k allocation.

I think technology and cash turnstiles play a part there Quickthetempo, I went to all the games mentioned above and you didn't need a ticket apart from Bramhall Lane. We surprised them with our numbers rather than them accommodating us.

I would have no problem sitting next to any supporter of any visiting club as long as the visitor and other Burnley fans around me conducted themselves as fellow human beings. Unfortunately and sadly even in 2017 you cannot guarantee that.

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 11:00 am

Also although I am suspecting some sort of troll with princessimp 99, if for instance she isn't she as clearly come on this forum to antagonise and wind up. If visitors take that attitude into the ground I am afraid the dickheads will react

Stockbrokerbelt · Post by **Stockbrokerbelt** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 11:05 am

Lincoln fans in the Burnley areas will be fun, no doubt there will be the same outcome as to the Leeds fans who got into our seats a couple of years ago, a good slapping & ejection from the ground.

TonbridgeClaret · Post by **TonbridgeClaret** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 11:07 am

Had another quick count up of available seats for Saturday - BL 223, JML 1,222, JMU 1,356, JHL 843, JHU 491. Total of 4,135 available with 4 days still to go, so over 18,400 sold (assuming both teams sell their allocation in the CFS).

DAVETHEVICAR · Post by **DAVETHEVICAR** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 11:18 am

I am a Burnley season ticket holder going to the game and sitting in my seat inThe Jimmy MaC upper.
I have lived in Lincoln for four years and can not get to Burnley away games now as I would have to drive to away games on my own so have been to Sincil Bank probably 5 or 6 times a season as well as Lincoln United.
What amazes me about Lincoln's request for 7,000 tickets is that there were only 5500 at the Woking League game last Saturday.
This game was surely more important than this weeks cup game as promotion is absolutely a must
Therefore the Lincoln club must be in agreement that it is casual Lincoln glory hunters who are wanting tickets at Turf Moor and not regular supporters

On a different note Lincoln is a beautiful City and have no regrets in my move from Edenfield

2 Bee Holed · Post by **2 Bee Holed** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 11:24 am

Dave the Vicar,

Absolutely agree with you, and how many of the "Lincoln glory hunters who are wanting tickets at Turf Moor and not regular supporters"
will be knuckle draggers looking for trouble?
I do worry that they will end up in our stands and find it. There are people on this forum encouraging them too, Princess my ar*e.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 11:27 am

Being screened on TV with an early kick off, will put loads off, and IMO Lincoln would have struggled to shift 7k anyway.

If anything we have saved them the embarrassment.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 11:39 am

2 Bee Holed wrote:Quicken.
I sat with the Utd. fans for our recent match at OT. I didn't go on their board asking how to go about it, or brag about it, I just quietly did it.
I did mention it on this board after the event. BFC could have given them the JM stand, perhaps their arrogance put BFC off thinking about how they could accommodate that number. Perhaps they thought, why give up home advantage. If they do end up in our stands, I hope they keep quiet, like I did at OT. Did Carlisle and York give us 3 stands? or was it the police saying we have to get them in somehow and off the streets. I recall some trouble at Carlisle as we spilled out onto the third side.
Why are you bringing all this up? What are you suggesting we do?

I have brought it up to show you other clubs and fans that have been more accommodating than ours.

Our fans are not being shown in the best light in this fixture.

2 Bee Holed · Post by **2 Bee Holed** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 11:44 am

Quicken:

In a way I agree with you, we maybe should have thought how to accommodate them.
I suspect the arrogance of it got our backs up.
However, as someone has mentioned, you are harking back to the days of cash turnstiles.
The authorities could not have guessed how many would arrive at the ground.
I wonder what we/the Police would do if 4,000 ticketless Lincoln fans arrive at t'Turf on Saturday?

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 11:48 am

Hopefully if their is room let them in.

How many Burnley fans will of looked at the empty seats at Charlton last year and Blackpool the promotion before and been gutted they couldn't be there?

vinrogue · Post by **vinrogue** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 12:06 pm

DAVETHEVICAR wrote:I am a Burnley season ticket holder going to the game and sitting in my seat inThe Jimmy MaC upper.
I have lived in Lincoln for four years and can not get to Burnley away games now as I would have to drive to away games on my own so have been to Sincil Bank probably 5 or 6 times a season as well as Lincoln United.
What amazes me about Lincoln's request for 7,000 tickets is that there were only 5500 at the Woking League game last Saturday.
This game was surely more important than this weeks cup game as promotion is absolutely a must
Therefore the Lincoln club must be in agreement that it is casual Lincoln glory hunters who are wanting tickets at Turf Moor and not regular supporters

On a different note Lincoln is a beautiful City and have no regrets in my move from Edenfield

I am not going to many away games this season, but if there are any you fancy let me know and if we are going, I could pick you up and drop you off after. I am in North Hykeham. Vin

arise_sir_charge · Post by **arise_sir_charge** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 12:08 pm

2 Bee Holed wrote:I wonder what we/the Police would do if 4,000 ticketless Lincoln fans arrive at t'Turf on Saturday?

I'll plait **** if that happens.

2 Bee Holed · Post by **2 Bee Holed** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 12:09 pm

Quicken:
If the figures above are correct it looks like we have about 4,000 empty seats with 4 days of sales left.
So lets assume on Saturday at 2.30pm there are 2,000 seats vacant, all dotted around the ground, probably
mainly by each corner flag.
What do you want the club, stewards and Police to do? I am intrigued, where do you sit? Are you moving?
I've already had to move once.
Do we let a 300/400 hundred in by each corner flag?
It's not like terracing where you can push people along and put a line of stewards in,
unlike the matches you are describing above.

2 Bee Holed · Post by **2 Bee Holed** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 12:13 pm

Thinking about it......we don't even have cash turnstiles.
They'd have to get tickets to have a bar code to get through the turnstile.
Thank goodness it's on TV and they won't be coming anyhow.
Perhaps they could erect a big screen at their ground, to please their massive support.
After all, we've done that a few times.

Hillimp · Post by **Hillimp** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 12:36 pm

2 Bee Holed wrote:Tom Imp:

I don't care who answers it. How much did you pay for your ticket? and did you put some extra money in a box as a donation to your club?

So it was arrogance to ask for 35%. No thought for our season ticket holders, I've already lost my seat and am having to sit elsewhere!
No thought for crowd segregation inside/outside the ground, no thought about safety. Arrogance.

Arrogance: offensive display of superiority or self-importance; overbearing pride
Cheeky: showing a lack of respect or politeness in a way that is amusing or appealing.

I would say asking for 35% was more cheeky than arrogant but I can understand your displeasure at being denied your season ticket. I would also agree that there is a degree of arrogance on our Forum but unless you include PrincessImp99 who again I would suggest is being cheeky rather than arrogant , we have not gone wholesale on your forum uninvited to wind up the locals. The top three Clarets on Lincoln Vitals have over 100 posts between them.

Hillimp · Post by **Hillimp** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 12:44 pm

Lincoln have said that general sale of tickets will commence at 1PM tomorrow (Wednesday). There are about 500 left for sale.
They are for sale at 1PM to prevent overnight queueing.

http://www.redimps.co.uk/news/article/2 ... 74253.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

TomImp · Post by **TomImp** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 12:57 pm

2 Bee Holed wrote:Tom Imp:

I don't care who answers it. How much did you pay for your ticket? and did you put some extra money in a box as a donation to your club?

So it was arrogance to ask for 35%. No thought for our season ticket holders, I've already lost my seat and am having to sit elsewhere!
No thought for crowd segregation inside/outside the ground, no thought about safety. Arrogance.

I paid £10 like everyone else, plus I have already stated I was happy with the pricing structure so I don't really know what problem there is there.

I agree with HillImp that it was cheeky rather than arrogance as I honestly don't think we felt we were entitled to them we just tried to see what we could get. And be honest would you be bothered about moving Lincoln season ticket holders if it meant you or your friends and family could get tickets if it was the other way round.

And A

PrincessImp99 · Post by **PrincessImp99** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 12:58 pm

RocketLawnChair wrote:Also although I am suspecting some sort of troll with princessimp 99, if for instance she isn't she as clearly come on this forum to antagonise and wind up. If visitors take that attitude into the ground I am afraid the dickheads will react

If you look at my early posts I asked for some info and had some nice chat with some of your fans. We all threw in a few cheeky fun comments but then some of your more sensitive fans who cannot accept a bit of banter from a fan of another team started getting more serious so I started taking the p*ss back a bit and having some fun

As for that 2 Bee Holed fella he really needs to calm himself down before he has a heart attack getting himself so worked up about little old Lincoln and their sheer arrogance in asking for a few extra tickets.

God help him when you lose but i suggest he calls the Samaritans on free phone 116 123 before he does something silly

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:09 pm

PrincessImp99 wrote:If you look at my early posts I asked for some info and had some nice chat with some of your fans. We all threw in a few cheeky fun comments but then some of your more sensitive fans who cannot accept a bit of banter from a fan of another team started getting more serious so I started taking the p*ss back a bit and having some fun

As for that 2 Bee Holed fella he really needs to calm himself down before he has a heart attack getting himself so worked up about little old Lincoln and their sheer arrogance in asking for a few extra tickets.

God help him when you lose but i suggest he calls the Samaritans on free phone 116 123 before he does something silly

Yes and I noticed you ignored that info and bought tickets in one of the worst areas a visiting supporter possibly could. It's a shame we cannot all be trusted to sit together, but I have certainly read enough from both sides to know that BFC are right to be concerned about visiting supporters being in the home ends.

Barry_Chuckle · Post by **Barry_Chuckle** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:17 pm

Hillimp wrote:Lincoln have said that general sale of tickets will commence at 1PM tomorrow (Wednesday). There are about 500 left for sale.
They are for sale at 1PM to prevent overnight queueing.

http://www.redimps.co.uk/news/article/2 ... 74253.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Why have you posted that on a Burnley site?

It doesn't affect us, we can buy tickets in our own end and we won't have to queue overnight either

PrincessImp99 · Post by **PrincessImp99** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:20 pm

That was my mistake and i havent minded a few of you laughing at me for it

I may be ditzy but im not stupid and if the area i have tickets in really isnt good then sure i can find a few seats in a safer area and Im sure they'll be a few gentlemen to watch our backs

If youd just given us the right amount of tickets this wouldnt even be a problem

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:22 pm

If you had a season ticket rather than being an fa cup bandwagon jumper you would have been able to buy a ticket for you own section. I am sure there is a really good reason why you didn't buy a season ticket for the club you are desperate to see back before the season started though.

PrincessImp99 · Post by **PrincessImp99** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:40 pm

^^^^^^^^^^Superfan Alert^^^^^^^^^^

Goody1975 · Post by **Goody1975** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:42 pm

PrincessImp99 wrote:If youd just given us the right amount of tickets this wouldnt even be a problem

We've given you too many tickets already.

PrincessImp99 · Post by **PrincessImp99** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:46 pm

Can you please provide me some facts to back up your claim

Goody1975 · Post by **Goody1975** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:50 pm

PrincessImp99 wrote:Can you please provide me some facts to back up your claim

Yes certainly.

Up to the past few months the majority of Lincoln City fans would have closed the curtains if the team was playing in their back garden, now they are all avid fans who are willing to walk over hot coals to see their team, amazing what glory hunting can do to a person.

PrincessImp99 · Post by **PrincessImp99** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:53 pm

That sounds more like opinion than fact to me but dont worry dear i'll let it slide

Goody1975 · Post by **Goody1975** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:55 pm

Average crowd in the past few seasons vs Average crowd in the past few months suggests i'm right.

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:55 pm

http://www.redimps.co.uk/fixtures-resul ... ures-list/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Would this list count as fact ? You have even had smaller home crowds (including away fans) in total than you look set to bring at weekend.

As for your childish superfan comment I guess its better than admitting to being a shitfan

PrincessImp99 · Post by **PrincessImp99** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 2:04 pm

The pair of you must both be very little as its doesnt take much for things to go over your head

Goody1975 · Post by **Goody1975** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 2:16 pm

Nice sidestep that.

Stockbrokerbelt · Post by **Stockbrokerbelt** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 2:17 pm

Hi Princess, all your dribble has got me going, do you do house calls & yes you will need all those 12 digits.