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[Right_winger]

Jones wasn't appreciated by plenty of people during or after his time here if that helps for comparisons sake?
Did you rate Jones?

I haven't seen enough of Westwood to know if what we've paid is good or bad yet, neither have you in that respect, or aren't I allowed to point that out?

You want to write him off now though for some bizarre reason.

You are absolutely correct regarding Jones, again there is a reason for that. I was one of them of the opinion Jones is garbage.

I haven't seen enough of him in a Burnley shirt correct, however I have seen him plenty of times over the years to have formed an opinion. Also when we were interested i done a little research on him.

Fans views as a general indication are usually not too far away, especially after 4 years.

Would you for example be pleased if we had signed Niall McGinn for £5m?

[HiroshimaClaret]

He didn't play well last week either. People are trying to make an excuse for him because Dyche paid top whack for a **** water carrier. Can you imagine if Laws signed this player!

I agree completely with your opinion of him last week. I MUST have been watching a different game to those who thought he played well. Like yesterday, thought he was anonymous. Of course, it is all part of settling into our midfield (perhaps quite a unique midfield!) and hope he will be an excellent acquisition.

[KRBFC]

Maybe want to ask Lincoln fan fans what hey thought about him, since he obviously bossed a non league team...

Oh hang on

2 games into his Burnley career and you're judging him, really?
If that's how long you give players then I bet you thought Nathan Dyer was world class after he came off the bench for his debut and you probably thought Akinbiyi was terrible business. Lets at least give the lad a chance eh? I don't give a toss what your Villa buddies said either.... like Westwood said himself, it's a fresh start for him and he wants to learn and improve. He's only been here 2 weeks ffs

[Sidney1st]

You are absolutely correct regarding Jones, again there is a reason for that. I was one of them of the opinion Jones is garbage.

I haven't seen enough of him in a Burnley shirt correct, however I have seen him plenty of times over the years to have formed an opinion. Also when we were interested i done a little research on him.

Fans views as a general indication are usually not too far away, especially after 4 years.

Would you for example be pleased if we had signed Niall McGinn for £5m?

So because in your opinion Jones was crap, Westwood must be too?
You must've thought the same about all water carriers then, including Dunga?

You're also basing your opinion on those of fans from his previous club, a club who's fans are well known for being fickle beyond belief sometimes.

IF Westwood ends up being here 4 years and a regular starter will you always think he's crap, like you clearly did with Jones?

You do understand the purpose of a player who's primary role is that of water carrier don't you?
If you don't then it explains alot about the direction of this conversation so far.

I don't know enough about McGinn to know if he's worth £5million, same applies to you and Westwood.
Did you feel the same about Hendrick when he signed?

[Right_winger]

So because in your opinion Jones was crap, Westwood must be too?
You must've thought the same about all water carriers then, including Dunga?

You're also basing your opinion on those of fans from his previous club, a club who's fans are well known for being fickle beyond belief sometimes.

IF Westwood ends up being here 4 years and a regular starter will you always think he's crap, like you clearly did with Jones?

You do understand the purpose of a player who's primary role is that of water carrier don't you?
If you don't then it explains alot about the direction of this conversation so far.

I don't know enough about McGinn to know if he's worth £5million, same applies to you and Westwood.
Did you feel the same about Hendrick when he signed?

No from what I've seen Westwood is a similar type of player to Jones,albeit slightly better. I'm disappointed with us signing Westwood because from what Iv seen he is
not going to improve us, and playing with such a player slows us right down.

Dunga was a completely different player. A defensive midfielder as opposed to a water carrier. A true defensive midfielder who is physical and takes no prisoners with the tackling and last ditch blocks. Barton is a defensive midfielder. Westwood/Jones cannot do what Barton does. The water carrier ( a cantona reference ) type player just looks to sit in and when they receive it look to move it on to someone else. I could understand the benefit if they are a defensive midfielder and are putting in big challenges, going in for 50/50s, dominating in the air, outmuscling the opposition forcing them to take another route.

I just used the McGinn reference as I'd have thought you'd know about him considering we've come up against him on several occasions and would have an idea what he is like.

re Hendrick. yes I thought we had overpaid for him, but from what I'd seen of him against us could see there was a player in there. He also played well internationally.

[Sidney1st]

Several occasions?
Hes had a loan period at Brentford hasn't he?

Does he have 120 PL appearances for other clubs under his belt?
Just for comparisons sake you understand.

So a player who receives the ball and passes it on to someone else isn't what we need?
Jones was actually quite good at that tbh and sometimes slowing down the play isn't a bad thing.
You've already made your mind up though, you did that before we'd signed him as you've made clear.

Dunga was generally called a water carrier, hence my reference to him, same with Makelele being called one.
Gets the ball, gives it to someone else who can do something with it.

I'm happy enough to give Westwood time to settle in though, I suppose that's the difference between us.

[Right_winger]

That's correct Brentford.

Also been capped over 50 times aswell.

The receiving it and passing it on to someone else if that's all they can do is not good enough. Jones had a habit of passing it to someone who had no options or the frustrating give it back to where it's come from straight away.

The difference with Dunga and Makelele is the huge defensive acumen of both players, not withstanding there game generalship was second to none. Calling them water carriers is lazy. Jones and Westwood are nothing like these players and have a fraction of their attributes.

If Westwood surprises everyone and plays well i'll call it. If he plays bad i'll call it. As for giving him 7s and 8s out of 10 because he team played well against Chelsea is just nonsense for an anonymous performance.

[THEWELLERNUT70]

That's the problem with being a successful team - it brings out part time belm tards

I wouldn't even grace them with that phrase. I think c*#ts is more apt

[Right_winger]

I wouldn't even grace them with that phrase. I think c*#ts is more apt

Shows the level your on then doesn't it.

[Top Claret]

Maybe want to ask Lincoln fan fans what hey thought about him, since he obviously bossed a non league team...

Oh hang on

PRICK

[Right_winger]

There all out today

[Sidney1st]

There all out today

Yes you are

[IWOODLOVETT]

Just for the record Jones has been an important part of four successful promotions to the Premier League and he could make that five if Wednesday pull it off.
That sort of player who is reliable and stays fit is vital to any successful side.

[Right_winger]

Just for the record Jones has been an important part of four successful promotions to the Premier League and he could make that five if Wednesday pull it off.
That sort of player who is reliable and stays fit is vital to any successful side.

He's utter dross. Ask sheff wed fans or them up the road or Derby...

[Spijed]

He's utter dross. Ask sheff wed fans or them up the road or Derby...

The same Derby fans who thought Jeff Hendrick only had about one good performance in six?

[Sidney1st]

He's utter dross. Ask sheff wed fans or them up the road or Derby...

If you have a look carefully you'll see several Sheff Wed fans will admit Jones was good before Xmas when he played, but he isn't playing enough and he's being let down by his team mates.
A couple even suggested that maybe the other players aren't at his level.

You can carry on picking out the ones to suit your argument, but their forum is just like ours with a mixture of opinions.

[Sidney1st]

The same Derby fans who thought Jeff Hendrick only had about one good performance in six?

Derby fans think Will Hughes is some sort of footballing genius, so their opinions are a little iffy to begin with.

[Right_winger]

I'd have Will Hughes any day over Jones, or any type of player with his limitations ( Westwood )

[Rileybobs]

He's utter dross. Ask sheff wed fans or them up the road or Derby...

Why would a Burnley fan need to ask a Sheffield wednesday fan how good David Jones is?

[Right_winger]

Some seem to think think he was the lynchpin in our team. Then there are those who could see right through him and that he was conning a wage as a footballer.

The general consensus from other fans at other clubs is that he wasn't up to much.

[taio]

Some seem to think think he was the lynchpin in our team. Then there are those who could see right through him and that he was conning a wage as a footballer.

The general consensus from other fans at other clubs is that he wasn't up to much.

I couldn't give a toss what supporters of other clubs think of Jones. Im only bothered that he did well enough in his time here. Saying he conned a wage from us is just downright disrespectful.

[Right_winger]

I couldn't give a toss what supporters of other clubs think of Jones. Im only bothered that he did well enough in his time here. Saying he conned a wage from us is just downright disrespectful.

Yeah yeah. He's done it everywhere he's been and gets found out. Took Dyche a lot longer than usual but that might be down to stubbornness.

[Sidney1st]

Conned a wage??

Have you just said he conned a wage from the club???

Well there you go, literally the stupidest thing I've read on here this week.
Possibly the year, but there are some real challengers for that title.

[Sidney1st]

Out of interest I've noticed you haven't mentioned Wolves fans, or didn't they agree with you?
They didn't mind having Jones.
Nor did Wigan from memory.
Rovers were happy enough before he signed for us.

[Right_winger]

I haven't bothered looking at wolves fans opinions of him. He was a bit part player for Wigan.

Yep conned a wage. Much like Juke did. But then there are those who think he wasn't crap either.

[Sidney1st]

Juke wasn't good enough goal scoring wise.

Wolves fans appreciated Jones, but that's probably why you didn't bother checking in with them, I wouldn't suit your agenda really.
He may have been a bit part player at Wigan, but they haven't bad mouthed him like you're doing.
He's not been a regular starter at Sheff Wed either last time I looked, but that's enough for you.

[Sidney1st]

Please tell me you're not sat in JML next season?
I don't think I could be doing with sitting near you.

[Rileybobs]

Maybe he has been crap at Wednesday, maybe he's a bit past it or he isn't suited to their style of play. Who cares? All that should matter to Burnley fans is the job he did for us, which was anything other than the simply pig-ignorant suggestion that he conned a wage.

[Right_winger]

Maybe he has been crap at Wednesday, maybe he's a bit past it or he isn't suited to their style of play. Who cares? All that should matter to Burnley fans is the job he did for us, which was anything other than the simply pig-ignorant suggestion that he conned a wage.

That's your opinion.

I thought he was **** poor. Hated his name appearing on the teamsheet and glad he's gone.

[Sidney1st]

Out of interest who would you have signed instead of Jones at the time, considering we didn't have much money?

Do you think we would've been promoted twice with someone different, bearing in mind at one point Jones was also our only fit recognized CM during part of one season.

[Rileybobs]

That's your opinion.

I thought he was **** poor. Hated his name appearing on the teamsheet and glad he's gone.

I know it's my opinion, but in this instance my opinion is right and yours is wrong. There's evidence to back my opinion up in the shape of 2 automatic promotions with Burnley, whereas you've used unintelligent phrases like 'conned a wage' which do little to give your opinion credibility.

[Sidney1st]

Hasn't he got 3 or 4 promotions under his belt?

Wolves and Derby??

[Right_winger]

As Iv previously mentioned he never contributed positively to our promotions and that argument is lazy at best.

There were other factors at play which got us promoted.

We only signed him because he was free.

He's one of them players who apply themselves in training and cause he manager no issues, a model pro if you like.
But when it comes to actual game time they disappear or offer very little to effect be outcome of any game. Statistically they may look good with a high pass completion % but it's no use it they are sideways or backwards and not backed up with other things such as tackles made, runs, through balls. Headers won etc. Jones was very reluctant to go in for challenges. Possibly because he got a bad injury early in his career.
Because of this he played ultra cautious and one of the reasons he never got injured or suspended.

Give me a maverick any day of the week Barton for example is twice the player Jones was/is.

[Rileybobs]

As Iv previously mentioned he never contributed positively to our promotions and that argument is lazy at best.

There were other factors at play which got us promoted.

We only signed him because he was free.

He's one of them players who apply themselves in training and cause he manager no issues, a model pro if you like.
But when it comes to actual game time they disappear or offer very little to effect be outcome of any game. Statistically they may look good with a high pass completion % but it's no use it they are sideways or backwards and not backed up with other things such as tackles made, runs, through balls. Headers won etc. Jones was very reluctant to go in for challenges. Possibly because he got a bad injury early in his career.
Because of this he played ultra cautious and one of the reasons he never got injured or suspended.

Give me a maverick any day of the week Barton for example is twice the player Jones was/is.

You've convinced me - shame Dyche didn't see Jones for what he was a couple of years earlier. You should have emailed him.

[Sidney1st]

Ah I forgot people decided he shirked the challenge due to past injuries, cheers for reminded me of that gem.

So who would you have signed instead at the time?
You haven't answered this one and do you think we would've got promoted twice without him?
I don't recall you being very vocal about him before he left and I didn't see any celebrating on here when he left from you.