JBG, Defour.... Hendrick?

Claretmatt4 · Post by **Claretmatt4** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 8:06 am

Anyone know how likely JBG is to play v Hull? Same for Defour, i believe Hull was the target game although he has been in Belgium to see a specialist?

Hendrick might be a stupid question, I guess a 3 match ban applies for just the league (if so seems odd to not play him against Lincoln to keep him sharp).

Any updates on these three?

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 8:08 am

domestic ban for hendrick so he couldn't play on saturday.

Claretmatt4 · Post by **Claretmatt4** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 8:12 am

quoonbeatz wrote:domestic ban for hendrick so he couldn't play on saturday.

Makes sense, does that mean he can play v Hull since he's missed:

Leicester
Chelsea
Lincoln

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 8:15 am

yep, i couldn't remember which other game he'd missed apart from lincoln and chelsea but yes, he's available next week.

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 8:16 am

Watford was after Leicester

paulatky · Post by **paulatky** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 8:17 am

And Barton could well be missing,suspended,against Hull

taio · Post by **taio** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 8:18 am

He misses Hull surely coz he was sent off at Watford which was after Leicester when he played

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 8:19 am

claretdom wrote:Watford was after Leicester

so it was, probably why i couldn't remember him missing leicester...

Claretmatt4 · Post by **Claretmatt4** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 8:20 am

Whoops!

Any news on the other two?

paulatky · Post by **paulatky** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 8:21 am

Hendrick's 3rd game of the ban is against Hull,so he is out of the Hull game.
Makes Barton's antics on Saturday doubly stupid.

taio · Post by **taio** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 8:24 am

Presume it will be Barton and Westwood again with Defour possibly on the bench.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 8:26 am

The desire from one or two fans to see Barton banned is more than a bit weird.

paulatky · Post by **paulatky** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 8:49 am

Not a desire,just a reality,
Oh I forgot,reality is something alien to a lot on here

KefkaClaret · Post by **KefkaClaret** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 8:53 am

Hope JBG isn't out too long, anyone know what he did? I just saw the tackle but not really sure what he injured.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 8:53 am

Eh?

Why is Barton going to miss the Hull game?
Or have I missed something that someone is making up?

Lord Beamish · Post by **Lord Beamish** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 8:58 am

Sidney1st wrote:Eh?

Why is Barton going to miss the Hull game?
Or have I missed something that someone is making up?

PailAtky seems to be. It's certainly in his version of reality.

claret wizard · Post by **claret wizard** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 9:03 am

There's not even been a hit of anything retrospective apart from our own fans wanting him to get a ban.

smudge · Post by **smudge** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 9:06 am

Barton suspended?
Has he played in another game since Saturday that I've missed.

Firthy · Post by **Firthy** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 9:18 am

looked like JBG's knee so could be anything from a week to a month. The lack of news on Defour is a bit worrying, not convinced he'll be available for Hull.

Looks like Boyd, Barton, Westwood and Brady will start at Hull.

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 9:39 am

Didn't realise he was about to bring ward on but what the hell was the point, unless he wanted to risk yet another injury, and while on that note, looked another cruciate with gudmundson to me, that's what the physio was testing for and apparently he left the turf on crutches.

If this is true from Alwaysclaret on another thread and I know he JBG left on crutches with his knee strapped up then we are suddenly in deep do do.
It would mean of our squad of 23 we are missing Marney, Defour (for another game or so) Hendick and JBG for Saturday and JBG for poss rest of season.
Throw in the loss of Barton for who knows how long and suddenly the we will be OK brigade may be as predictive as most of us were for Saturday's result. Also Lowton is on 8 yellows. Anyone know if we can recall Kights, O'Neill or Ulvestad?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 9:50 am

Think whatever your reality is, I'll stay well clear thanks!

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 9:59 am

Edit - Sorry wrong thread.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 10:04 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:The desire from one or two fans to see Barton banned is more than a bit weird.

It's beyond weird Lancaster

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 10:34 am

Post weird

ShabbaRanks · Post by **ShabbaRanks** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 12:16 pm

ClaretTony wrote:It's beyond weird Lancaster

I have no strong feelings either way but I can absolutely see where people are coming from and it is in no way "weird" or "beyond weird".

We have managed to create an impression of ourselves in the media, fuelled in no small part by Dyche, that we are a club with a strong culture and a working moral compass.

We have been in the papers as recent as last week, proudly proclaiming that our players have to undergo dares for even the most minor of transgressions. Dyche has been in the press on a few occasions lamenting diving and "the dark arts". This is the characterization we have fashioned for ourselves.

So then, when one of our players acts like a toe-rag - and he has by the way - anyone trying to say that he's not is "beyond weird", because of this image we've created for ourselves, these people want us to be seen to act strongly on this, lest we reveal ourselves to be hypocrites just after a quick soundbite.

Sometimes, doing the right thing transcends football and the results we want. What he did is worthy of some sort of internal action - whether that's a reminder of our values, an explanation of his actions and an assurance it won't happen again or something firmer. That's more important to some people, and it's the mark of what sort of man you are. By any measure it is most certainly not "beyond weird".

I name anyone who has proudly boasted about our well publicized internal culture and structure, and think Joey's actions are not worthy of any sort of internal repurcussions a hypocrite.

paulatky · Post by **paulatky** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 12:24 pm

Thanks for your support,Shabbaranks I agree entirely with what you said.
The "brand " of BFC was badly tarnished on Saturday. IMVHO

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 12:28 pm

Have we said that Joey won't face action from the club?

He won't miss the next game though.

I'd also suggest you take the time to read his book and maybe you'll understand it a bit better when he 'loses his head'.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 12:32 pm

No, it wasn't

We did everything right for Lincoln, treated them with respect, where incredibly respectful before and after the match, did everything right. I don't think I was the only Burnley fan congratulating the Lincoln fans after what they managed, and SD yet again came across brilliantly in the post match analysis.

All the Lincoln players and managers have come out and praised us, even JB.

Its not being talked about by anybody today, or tomorrow, or next week. They are rightly concentrating on Lincolns success.

And I hate to put a spanner in the argument that people have been defending him for the incident, because the vast majority haven't. He deserved to be sent off, but wasn't, and again, the vast majority agree with that.

Its still very wierd btw, and the reason it is very weird is that we all know that if our team had shown the desire to win that JB showed on Sat, we'd be in the quarter finals.

paulatky · Post by **paulatky** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 12:48 pm

The sneaky standing on Rhead's foot and then the blatant feigning he had been hit in the face by Barton is what I take issue with.
Guess its maybe a generation thing,I am 60 in July and its a completely different game to the one I played.
If I wanted to watch acting I would go to the theatre or watch wrestling.
It appears our total game plan was based on how to counter the threat of Rhead,a 32 year old CF who has played all his career in non league.

ShabbaRanks · Post by **ShabbaRanks** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 12:49 pm

I don't know which bubble you are living in, but to say that it is not being talked about by anyone is reaching Donald Trump levels of lunacy.

I am literally looking at my phone as I write this, at a tweet with a gif of the incident and labeling him as "pathetic" with 7500 retweets and more "likes". The comments underneath just this one tweet, and some of Joey's in the aftermath of the game as you would expect are poison. I have seen many and more similar tweets over the weekend. A similar video on facebook has tens of thousands of views and likes.

Carl Frampton labeled Joey "a joke". Might have been Rio Ferdinand or Gary Lineker who called the incident embarrassing. Again these comments have attracted further comment from the public.

People are talking about this incident, a lot. Whether you care, or whatever your feelings are toward social media are another topic. But some people do care, and just because you haven't sought this information out for yourself doesn't mean it isn't happening.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 12:53 pm

I thought JBG was holding his ankle when he went down, perhaps the knee jolted ? Might be one for Tarks in the middle depending on how SD wants to approach the game.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 12:56 pm

Sorry, but I don't include twitter as a source of news that will affect the standard of how Burnley fc is viewed in the wider footballing world.

The gifs are funny, funnier when linked with his quotes on the subject, but hey, that happens on twitter EVERY DAY.

Todays main target on twitter appears to be a combination of Paul Nuttall and that Milo bloke (judging by my feed)

On saturday, it was all barton and lincoln, but that dropped by sunday pm. Thats how twitter works.

Are you new to it or something?

SammyBoy · Post by **SammyBoy** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 12:56 pm

ShabbaRanks wrote:I don't know which bubble you are living in, but to say that it is not being talked about by anyone is reaching Donald Trump levels of lunacy.

I am literally looking at my phone as I write this, at a tweet with a gif of the incident and labeling him as "pathetic" with 7500 retweets and more "likes". The comments underneath just this one tweet, and some of Joey's in the aftermath of the game as you would expect are poison. I have seen many and more similar tweets over the weekend. A similar video on facebook has tens of thousands of views and likes.

Carl Frampton labeled Joey "a joke". Might have been Rio Ferdinand or Gary Lineker who called the incident embarrassing. Again these comments have attracted further comment from the public.

People are talking about this incident, a lot. Whether you care, or whatever your feelings are toward social media are another topic. But some people do care, and just because you haven't sought this information out for yourself doesn't mean it isn't happening.

Barton probably should have been sent off, he wasn't and there doesn't seem to have been any mention of retrospective action being taken by the FA. I'm sure Dyche will have a word about it and that should be the end of the matter. What exactly do you want Barton or Burnley to do, voluntarily drop him for 3 games to uphold this supposed moral fibre of the club you keep mentioning? We can't turn back time and what's done is done, he'll be getting my full support at Hull on Saturday.

Also, got to agree with Lancaster that we'd be in the quarter finals now if the rest of the team had put in as much effort as Joey.

paulatky · Post by **paulatky** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 12:58 pm

Barton made it worse by trying to defend his actions on his twitter account.
Good job Sky have copyright issues with the FA Cup footage so their weekly Ref watch slot on a Monday morning was not aired today.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 1:04 pm

Barton has what, 3.25 million twitter followers?

About 3 million of them following him so they can post abuse about him.

He divides opinion, and is really good on twitter because of it (like Stan Collymore) but the abuse he got (rightly for he should have been sent off) is to Barton, not to Burnley fc, who again, were perfect on Saturday.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 1:10 pm

Back to the topic, I assume it will again be Barton and Westwood in the middle at Hull.

Which is fine, provided that we're intending to sit fairly deep and hit Hull on the counter-attack, as we did against Chelsea but weren't able to do against Lincoln. We saw on Saturday the similarities of Westwood and Barton as a pairing - both relatively diminutive, neither given to making particularly advanced runs, neither especially quick, and both more tidy than incisive in their passing. Clearly, either of them alongside Defour (who might be available) or Hendrick (who won't be) or even Arfield would give a far more dynamic and assertive look to our midfield.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 1:11 pm

Not sure Arfield will be anywhere but the bench on Sat Spice.

Only just behind Flanagan in the "WTF? is he playing at" stakes

claretgimmer · Post by **claretgimmer** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 1:13 pm

Talk about drama queens, standing on opposition players toes and the like at corners etc has always gone on even in amatuer football, and as for feigning the bang on the head is that any different to pretending you have been tripped in the area to win a penalty which goes on by many players on a weekly basis, some people need to get a life.

EarbyClaret · Post by **EarbyClaret** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 1:16 pm

Some people seem to think that hoping JB doesn't get a ban is effectively condoning what he did - which based on the more sensible posts on this thread is not the case at all.

He probably should have got a red. He didn't. Retrospective action? Unlikely I'd have thought, not been mentioned anywhere on any official source as far as I'm aware - so why should JB be treated differently to anyone else in a similar situation?

I'm sure the matter will be dealt with internally, not SD's style to hang anyone out to dry.

JB was targeted by Lincoln. It's disappointing he reacted - Rhead incidentally seems to be getting something of a free pass on the basis that he's an awkward looking big lad who plays for a non-league team - can you imagine the reaction if Barnes was guilty of a challenge only half as bad as the one Rhead landed on Barton which went unseen/unpunished.

JB could see the game slipping away from us - or certainly heading towards a replay. He took matters into his own hands to try and change things, a poor decision. What's probably more remarkable is it hasn't happened sooner bearing in mind some of the treatment he's received playing for us, especially last season.

Hoping he's one of our starting CMs for as long as he's available, hopefully the rest of the season.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 1:19 pm

paulatky wrote:Thanks for your support,Shabbaranks I agree entirely with what you said.
The "brand " of BFC was badly tarnished on Saturday. IMVHO

Tarnished? Why not get a bit over dramatic?

Delighted to see that Sean Dyche has come out strongly in support of Joey Barton

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 1:26 pm

mdd2 wrote:while on that note, looked another cruciate with gudmundson to me, that's what the physio was testing for and apparently he left the turf on crutches.

Isn't it an ankle injury?

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 1:27 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Not sure Arfield will be anywhere but the bench on Sat Spice.

Only just behind Flanagan in the "WTF? is he playing at" stakes

The only Burnley player brave enough to try and make things happen on Saturday, Lancaster. He wasn't great - no-one was - but he got into more positions to make things happen than any other Burnley player (loads of intelligent runs in behind, or into the pockets between the lines, didn't always get the ball and when he did he often lost it) and as is always the case with Arfield, he covered the ground, kept trying and never hid.

As I say, if we are going to go to Hull and play something akin to the game plan we deployed against Chelsea, Westwood and Barton is fine. But if we want to go and engage Hull and play on the front foot, then Arfield presses up the pitch better than either of them.

As for Barton, there's no defending the fact that play-acting on Saturday, but that's a yellow card offence. I dislike players standing on opponents toes too, but that's one of those dark arts which has been taking place since god was a boy. He might have got sent off had it been seen, but if the FA were to take retrospective action on that one, there'd be an absolute avalanche of similar incidents being highlighted next weekend.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 1:30 pm

Just taken a look at it - more worrying than I thought. The impact is ankle but the injury is, as mdd2 posted, definitely his knee.

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 1:33 pm

Hopefully I never find myself thinking about Burnley "that's the brand I support"

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 1:35 pm

Fair points Spice, but he's not in form at the moment based on what we saw on Sat in his more familiar role.

Maybe in a three in the middle in a 4-5-1, but if we do that I'd expect Barton, Westwood and Tarkowski

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 1:35 pm

As taio said, I'd expect Barton and Westwood in the centre with Barnes and Gray upfront.

Which player was it that grabbed one of the Lincoln players by the neck/throat? When I saw it I thought red card. Not sure if it was Barton or maybe Flanagan?

ShabbaRanks · Post by **ShabbaRanks** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 1:37 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Sorry, but I don't include twitter as a source of news that will affect the standard of how Burnley fc is viewed in the wider footballing world.

The gifs are funny, funnier when linked with his quotes on the subject, but hey, that happens on twitter EVERY DAY.

Todays main target on twitter appears to be a combination of Paul Nuttall and that Milo bloke (judging by my feed)

On saturday, it was all barton and lincoln, but that dropped by sunday pm. Thats how twitter works.

Are you new to it or something?

Right well a minute ago it's that no one was talking about it. Now that I've demonstrated to you that actually, people are, you're now attempting to make light of it.

People's views are shaped by the information they digest, whether or not that's a colleague, a friend, from social media, or the news. Your opinion on whether or not social media has a role to play in that is wrong, because it is quite simply an irrefutable fact that social media plays a role in the forming of opinions - see Trump V Hilary for a recent hot topic case study.

It doesn't matter if it's yesterdays news. People have talked about it. Are still talking about it. These interactions all build towards forming an ongoing and evolving perception of our club, of which on this occasion is negative.

All of that is irrefutable. It is not open for discussion, because your argument is based on personal preference and mine is based in fact.

What is open for discussion is how much people are bothered by it. You're not. Some are. I see both sides. You don't get to call people weird just because their opinion on an emotive subject is different to yours.

ShabbaRanks · Post by **ShabbaRanks** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 1:42 pm

SammyBoy wrote:Barton probably should have been sent off, he wasn't and there doesn't seem to have been any mention of retrospective action being taken by the FA. I'm sure Dyche will have a word about it and that should be the end of the matter. What exactly do you want Barton or Burnley to do, voluntarily drop him for 3 games to uphold this supposed moral fibre of the club you keep mentioning? We can't turn back time and what's done is done, he'll be getting my full support at Hull on Saturday.

Also, got to agree with Lancaster that we'd be in the quarter finals now if the rest of the team had put in as much effort as Joey.

As I've said, I don't care really. I feel that some people think Dyche could maybe nod his head to it by saying "Joey and I had a chat about it" or whatever, which isn't really hanging anyone out to dry.

I think some people feel it's important to do that as for us to big ourselves up as being this last moral bastion of values and good ethics, in public, and then be seen to not do anything at all is slightly hypocritical and undermines the message.

The axe I'm grinding is - for those that do feel that way - don't call them weird, it's a valid point and just makes you look like a kn0bhead incapable of playing the ball.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 1:44 pm

Twitter is not talking about joey Barton today (its certainly not trending).

Its a fast moving, evolving social media medium that replicates what people are worrying about. Today, and tomorrow, they are not worrying about JB and Burnley FC.

You are trying to claim that JBs actions damaged our brand or whatever. Based on what we are seeing, using the media that you yourself have quoted, that 48 hours later, that claim hasn't got a lot to back it up.

I get that some of you feel let down by him, but I think some of you are taking it a little bit too far.

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 1:47 pm

Rhead gave as good as he got on Saturday. And when he was being substituted Barton went out of his way to shake his hand which btw was reciprocated by the Rhead.

They we giving each other everything they had, at times trying to hurt each other, at other times trying to drop each other in the **** with the ref, but all in all it was two blokes having a go for their respective paymasters. Nothing really worth getting in a lava about that's for sure.

And didn't Dyche say Saturday was just too soon for Defour. So hopefully he will be involved in some way this Saturday.