Jeremy Corbyn is a Fascist

Caernarfon_Claret · Post by **Caernarfon_Claret** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 2:13 pm

FCBurnley wrote:It was nice and peaceful on here from 15-23th (except for Saxo who took your place). Maybe you two are one ?

From 15th-23rd.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 2:14 pm

Jeremy Corbyn is a communist. A political ideology that, according to wikipedia, has been responsible for the deaths of upto 100 million people.

The holodomor was an example of such .

http://www.holodomorct.org/history.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The Left prefer not to talk about it.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 4:34 pm

Rowls wrote:I fear this may actually be prophetic. There's a lot of guff on twitter about "white men", "white women" etc. etc. Nobody polite would consider it anywhere near acceptable to post about other races in this manner but it is widespread.

Oh I know, its already in it's early phase, it just needs to go mainstream among it's target audience now. These phrases tend to start out life with political public figures with big social media followings, then get abused by the press, then picked up by politicians and lastly go mainstream with a specific audience. The white supremacist/nationalist slur is currently still in between the public figure/media phase. Give it 6 months or so.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 5:08 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Potential book titles

Sorry Rowls, I agree that you should treat different races the same, but the general trend of white people who moan (based on my feed on twitter) is that they are not too fond of black, yellow and brown people not knowing their place.

To be honest I think they are just sick of the identity politics driven society we now live in; which demonizes them and paints them as the sole cause of all these other social groups problems. I know that is the case with me...

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 5:21 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Oh I know, its already in it's early phase, it just needs to go mainstream among it's target audience now. These phrases tend to start out life with political public figures with big social media followings, then get abused by the press, then picked up by politicians and lastly go mainstream with a specific audience. The white supremacist/nationalist slur is currently still in between the public figure/media phase. Give it 6 months or so.

Are you suggesting there's no such thing as a white supremacist / nationalist, or that we shouldn't point them out when we notice them?

That seems to be the theory behind the "amusing" OP, too - "if you call anyone a fascist, I'll (ironically?) call everyone a fascist". I asked Rowls to define what he thinks makes a fascist on another thread, but got no answer - perhaps you could have a go. I'd take your definition (with examples) of a white supremacist, if you'd rather.

What's wrong with calling out fascism / white supremacy / racism when we see it? Surely that's one way for the likes of you and me to combat it.

I do realise that it's not really a binary issue and one man's fascist is another's "strong leader" (or something), but the likes of you and the OP seem to have an unthinking "gut" reaction to deny any accusation of fascism / racism / white supremacy etc whenever you see it. Hence my request for one of you to provide your definition of these terms so we know the circumstances under which this reaction would not apply.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 5:28 pm

Greenmile wrote:Are you suggesting there's no such thing as a white supremacist / nationalist, or that we shouldn't point them out when we notice them?

No, yeah absolutely. That's quite obviously what I am saying.

Wexford_Claret · Post by **Wexford_Claret** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 5:46 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:Jeremy Corbyn is a communist. A political ideology that, according to wikipedia, has been responsible for the deaths of upto 100 million people.

The holodomor was an example of such .

http://www.holodomorct.org/history.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The Left prefer not to talk about it.

But I'm sure all those lovely conservative folk will happily smile and giggle about that lovely friend of theirs Mr Hitler. Oh, and that nice chap Mussolini. And that wee bundle of joy Franco. Or maybe 'the Right' could refer to all sorts of people and ideologies, which hugely differ, such as right-leaning liberalism, and conservativism, as well as- unfortunately- fascism.

Which suggests there's maybe more to 'the Left' than tyrannical communist dictators. Just saying.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 5:48 pm

Rowls wrote:Yes, well when Trump has conquered the UK and he's marching us off to the gas chambers I will apologize and be soooo sorry. Until that day....

Hitler didn't gas anyone on day one. If you were capable of a bit of thinking you'd realise that it is only people like you who are comparing Trump to Hitler in the 40s. The people whose opinions you summarily dismiss aren't doing that.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 5:49 pm

Rowls wrote:"LOLZ".

Particularly as it was me who taught you about the Dunning-Kruger effect.

You did what?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 5:50 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:Jeremy Corbyn is a communist. A political ideology that, according to wikipedia, has been responsible for the deaths of upto 100 million people.

The holodomor was an example of such .

http://www.holodomorct.org/history.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The Left prefer not to talk about it.

He's not a communist, he's a socialist.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 5:56 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Hitler didn't gas anyone on day one. If you were capable of a bit of thinking you'd realise that it is only people like you who are comparing Trump to Hitler in the 40s. The people whose opinions you summarily dismiss aren't doing that.

Hmmmm, I have a cool idea for a B-Movie

It's called.....

*drum roll*

1930s Hitler Versus 1940s Hitler

Synopsis
1930s Hitler isn't yearning to do everything in one day. He's busy celebrating Anschluss and wearing lederhosen. But then suddenly 1940s Hitler falls through a crack in time and insists he gets a move on with his evil Fascist plans!
Dun dun durrrrrrrr!
Will Operation Barbarosa be successfully brought forward or will there be time for one last Oom-pah band and a slap of Eva Braun's bottom at the Berghof?
All will be revealed in .... 1930s Hitler Versus 1940s Hitler!

Coming to a cinema near you soon!

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 5:57 pm

You know just enough to be convince people you actually know what you are talking about.

On this, you don't.

bluelabrador16 · Post by **bluelabrador16** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 6:00 pm

Greenmile

"...What's wrong with calling out fascism / white supremacy / racism when we see it?..."

Thanks for reminding me of the following:

IsraeliApartheidWeek ........28 Feb – 6 Mar: UK

The 13th Annual Israeli Apartheid Week will take place all around the world between March – April 2017.

Israeli Apartheid Week (IAW) is an international series of events that seeks to raise awareness of Israel’s settler-colonial project and apartheid system over the Palestinian people and to build support for the growing Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) movement.

Inspired by the popular resistance across historic Palestine and struggles worldwide, IAW 2016 included a wide range of events, from lectures, film screenings, cultural performances, BDS actions, to postering in metro stations, setting up apartheid walls on campuses, and many more. These actions took place in more than 225 cities across the world.

The coming year (2017) will mark 100 years of Palestinian resistance against settler colonialism, since the inception of the Balfour Declaration. IAW will be an opportunity to reflect on this resistance and further advance BDS campaigns for the continued growth and impact of the movement. Despite all the legislative attacks on BDS internationally, IAW and the BDS movement continue to build linkages and solidarity with other struggles to achieve freedom, justice, and equality.

http://apartheidweek.org/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 6:03 pm

No.

No, no, no, no.

I'm being flippant and I really shouldn't.

You're doing a great job turtle, you really are.

I'd like to publicly thank you for keeping fascism at bay.

Whilst the rest of us are sleeping away at night, you're wide-eyed with constant vigilance and trawling the corridors of the internet to keep fascism from our doors.

When the rest of the world carelessly hops into bed as though it's the end of a regular, normal day you're checking under the bed and in the wardrobe for fascism.

When a fawning report on Donald Trump appears on the BBC, we lesser souls run and hide and can barely watch from behind the sofa. But you -YOU!- have the strength and courage to point your finger and call him a fascist and to post it on the internet too.

I'm sorry for mocking you.

You're brave beyond words and without your constant vigilance one knows where we'd be? Perhaps we'd have a functioning opposition leader?

Who knows?- Nobody really.

But what we do know is that it's thanks to you -yes YOU!- that we've managed to keep fascism from our shores all these years.

Keep up the good work, you are not at all under-appreciated.

Thank you

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 6:18 pm

Greenmile wrote:Are you suggesting there's no such thing as a white supremacist / nationalist, or that we shouldn't point them out when we notice them?

These people exist.
You should point them out when you see them.
Maybe don't accuse everyone you disagree with of being one though

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 6:34 pm

Damo wrote:These people exist.
You should point them out when you see them.
Maybe don't accuse everyone you disagree with of being one though

No one does that on here.

However there are a lot of people who are dismissing the idea that Trump's a fascist purely because other people elsewhere have in the past misused the term. These people who do this are the equal and opposite of those who misuse and misapply the term.

Clarets4me · Post by **Clarets4me** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 6:58 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:H Schumacher
Pinochet
Blair
Mussollini
Amin
Bush
Hitler
Trialist
Corbyn
Pot
Antonescu

The trialist is thought to be a traffic warden in Nelson.

Alternatively....

Amin ( Gk...big lad, will take & give some beatings )

Corbyn ( Left back.... in 1975 ! )
Franco ( Long serving Spanish hardman )
Galtieri ( Argentine, can prove vulnerable to British tactics! )
Salazar ( Overlooked Portugese stopper, " I stoppa this election then I stoppa the next ...)

Stalin ( Tricky left winger, leaves opponents for dead.. )
Lenin ( Veteran left sided controller, of the media, justice system, firing squads )
Pot ( Finds space, easy done when you kill 2m of your own people in 4 years ! )
Hitler ( Hogs the far right wing.. )

Mussolini ( Typical Italian target man, last seen hanging around in a petrol station )
Devalier ( Central American, pioneer in use of post match baths...sulphuric acid for his opponents )

Subs : Mao ( China ), Ceausescu ( Romania ), Honecker ( Germany ), Devalier Jnr ( Haiti ), Castro ( Cuba )

Shirts are Black and Red Halves.... favorite fans chant " No one likes us, we really, really don't care "

JohnMcGreal · Post by **JohnMcGreal** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 7:04 pm

Rowls wrote:No.

No, no, no, no.

I'm being flippant and I really shouldn't.

You're doing a great job turtle, you really are.

I'd like to publicly thank you for keeping fascism at bay.

Whilst the rest of us are sleeping away at night, you're wide-eyed with constant vigilance and trawling the corridors of the internet to keep fascism from our doors.

When the rest of the world carelessly hops into bed as though it's the end of a regular, normal day you're checking under the bed and in the wardrobe for fascism.

When a fawning report on Donald Trump appears on the BBC, we lesser souls run and hide and can barely watch from behind the sofa. But you -YOU!- have the strength and courage to point your finger and call him a fascist and to post it on the internet too.

I'm sorry for mocking you.

You're brave beyond words and without your constant vigilance one knows where we'd be? Perhaps we'd have a functioning opposition leader?

Who knows?- Nobody really.

But what we do know is that it's thanks to you -yes YOU!- that we've managed to keep fascism from our shores all these years.

Keep up the good work, you are not at all under-appreciated.

Thank you

You can always tell when Rowls is circling the plug hole in a debate. He tends to make a complete tit of himself, like this.

JohnMcGreal · Post by **JohnMcGreal** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 7:06 pm

Rowls wrote:Hmmmm, I have a cool idea for a B-Movie

It's called.....

*drum roll*

1930s Hitler Versus 1940s Hitler

Synopsis
1930s Hitler isn't yearning to do everything in one day. He's busy celebrating Anschluss and wearing lederhosen. But then suddenly 1940s Hitler falls through a crack in time and insists he gets a move on with his evil Fascist plans!
Dun dun durrrrrrrr!
Will Operation Barbarosa be successfully brought forward or will there be time for one last Oom-pah band and a slap of Eva Braun's bottom at the Berghof?
All will be revealed in .... 1930s Hitler Versus 1940s Hitler!

Coming to a cinema near you soon!

And this.

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 7:08 pm

Caernarfon_Claret wrote:From 15th-23rd.

From 15th -23rd of February 2017.

Vino blanco · Post by **Vino blanco** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 7:16 pm

I like him. Is he still fiddling about with the delectable Diane Abbott these days? Anyway what's wrong with a bit of racism every now and then?

Vino blanco · Post by **Vino blanco** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 7:17 pm

Sorry don't shoot me, I meant fascism not racism!!

dermotdermot · Post by **dermotdermot** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 7:52 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:He's not a communist, he's a socialist.

He's not a socialist, he's a fascist.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 7:57 pm

He hates Jews. Which is a bit fascist

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 8:20 pm

Damo wrote:He hates Jews.

Source?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 8:23 pm

FCBurnley wrote:From 15th -23rd of February 2017.

Not the 23th?

dermotdermot · Post by **dermotdermot** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 8:55 pm

Corbyn does not embrace democracy. He is a prime example of a man so entrenched in his extreme left wing views that he thinks everyone in his party should tow the line and think the same as him. Given the power to lead his party, who were, in turn, trying to act in a democratic fashion when they foolishly nominated him to run for leader, he has now turned into a fascist, a person who will go to any length to impose his will on others. Possibly the worst example of inverted socialism.

Eighty per cent of his parliamentary colleagues want him gone but that doesn't matter to him. He does what he wants and pays no heed to others in his party, clinging to the belief that he was democratically elected by the paid up 'members' of his party. A complete and utter stitch-up job.

He didn't follow the party line over the referendum, possibly creating an adverse effect on the outcome. He then pretended to embrace democracy by whipping his MP's into voting along with the government to implement a 'hard brexit' as this is what, he said, 'the people' had voted for. For me this just doesn't tally. He has spent his entire elected life voting against not just the opposition but just about everything that his own party put forward and stood for when in government. He probably even voted against the Good Friday agreement which successfully halted the war in Northern Ireland. It probably went against his support for the IRA and a united Ireland.

All this, incidentally, while drawing a hefty wage as a 'Labour' MP, even heftier now that he's the leader. He is, as well as being a fascist, a complete and utter phony, unprincipled and just plain horrible.He has caused irreparable damage to the Labour Party and I, for one, will be so glad when he falls with one almighty bang.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 9:02 pm

dermotdermot wrote:Corbyn does not embrace democracy. He is a prime example of a man so entrenched in his extreme left wing views that he thinks everyone in his party should tow the line and think the same as him. Given the power to lead his party, who were, in turn, trying to act in a democratic fashion when they foolishly nominated him to run for leader, he has now turned into a fascist, a person who will go to any length to impose his will on others. Possibly the worst example of inverted socialism.

Eighty per cent of his parliamentary colleagues want him gone but that doesn't matter to him. He does what he wants and pays no heed to others in his party, clinging to the belief that he was democratically elected by the paid up 'members' of his party. A complete and utter stitch-up job.

He didn't follow the party line over the referendum, possibly creating an adverse effect on the outcome. He then pretended to embrace democracy by whipping his MP's into voting along with the government to implement a 'hard brexit' as this is what, he said, 'the people' had voted for. For me this just doesn't tally. He has spent his entire elected life voting against not just the opposition but just about everything that his own party put forward and stood for when in government. He probably even voted against the Good Friday agreement which successfully halted the war in Northern Ireland. It probably went against his support for the IRA and a united Ireland.

All this, incidentally, while drawing a hefty wage as a 'Labour' MP, even heftier now that he's the leader. He is, as well as being a fascist, a complete and utter phony, unprincipled and just plain horrible.He has caused irreparable damage to the Labour Party and I, for one, will be so glad when he falls with one almighty bang.

I'm pretty sure you've made this post before and I showed it up as almost entirely bullshit.

Lets see if it still fits your new version of that post:

Imploding Turtle wrote:I've read just read that post and i've come to two conclusions. 1) you don't know what fascism is, and 2) your thinking - if we can call it that - is all over the place.

You criticising him for not embracing democracy while also criticising him for not siding with the majority of his MPs by quitting, over the majority of Labour members who have twice elected him leader.
When he does demonstrate that he obeys democratic decisions in a manner you like you criticise him for it by saying he's only "pretending".

You criticised him for ruling with an iron fist and demanding absolute loyalty to his views while also criticising him for not towing the party line over Brexit.

You've criticised him for a three-line whip to get his MPs to vote for Brexit to proceed (wait, i thought he was "pretending"?) as if that makes him a fascist yet conveniently forget, or perhaps you're just ignorant to, the fact that Cameron used a three-line whip to vote down an EU referendum in 2011, and that whipped votes are hardly a new thing.

You've even criticised him for "probably" voting against the Good Friday Agreement with absolutely no evidence to support it.

If you think that post 62 of that thread will make people "see the light" you're utterly, and desperately, delusional.
There are actually good arguments to be made against Corbyn's leadership, but your diarrhoea of a forum post doesn't get close to any of them.

dermotdermot · Post by **dermotdermot** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 9:24 pm

I don't know where you dug that up from. I didn't see that response at all. Most probably removed by the moderators on account of being totally incoherent. I should just fix yourself a mug of Horlicks and get an early night.

Definito a fascist.

morpheus2 · Post by **morpheus2** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 10:01 pm

Damo wrote:
He hates Jews.

Imploding Turtle wrote:Source?

Good enough?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 10:06 pm

Not really, no

It looks like one of BlueLab bullshit memes to be honest

bluelabrador16 · Post by **bluelabrador16** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 10:08 pm

morpheus2

Good enough?

Could you provide a source/link for your post.

Lancasterclaret.....Go F uck Yourself.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 10:08 pm

Christ, if BlueLab hasn't done it, then who has?

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 10:21 pm

It probably all goes back to when he said that Jews were no more responsible for the actions of Israel than Muslims were for the actions of "various self styled Islamic states". He was correct of course.

I don't think he likes Israel as a state and how they have operated, and I'm on the same page as him.

To condemn Israel, isn't to condemn every Jew on the planet.

morpheus2 · Post by **morpheus2** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 10:43 pm

bluelabrador16 wrote:Could you provide a source/link for your post.

What you on about? My post is the source! How could anyone not be happy with a facebook meme as a good reliable genuine source? And look, the guy even learnt a little 'peace convoy Arabic' for his audience - proof that it is definitely of Sahih origin. Shukran.

dermotdermot · Post by **dermotdermot** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 10:46 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:It probably all goes back to when he said that Jews were no more responsible for the actions of Israel than Muslims were for the actions of "various self styled Islamic states". He was correct of course.

I don't think he likes Israel as a state and how they have operated, and I'm on the same page as him.

To condemn Israel, isn't to condemn every Jew on the planet.

That was a disgusting comparison. One which even prompted the loyal Emily Thornberry to publicly apologise to the Israeli embassy.

Flatline · Post by **Flatline** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 10:52 pm

Israel,is a disgrace to the human race and I think Corbyn's a nob as well, just to be clear.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 11:34 pm

dermotdermot wrote:That was a disgusting comparison. One which even prompted the loyal Emily Thornberry to publicly apologise to the Israeli embassy.

Not really disgusting.

One lot terrorises, kills and forcibly moves people from their homeland and the other does exactly the same.

Emily Thornberry said this just two months ago, regarding a different matter...........

The exposure of the Israeli embassy official, Shai Masot, discussing how to bring down or discredit a government minister and other MPs because of their views on the Middle East is extremely disturbing.

Improper interference in our democratic politics by other states is unacceptable whichever country is involved.

This is a national security issue and the Foreign and Commonwealth Office should immediately launch an inquiry into the extent of improper influence, and I shall be writing to Boris Johnson to that effect.

The irony in this context of her finding it extremely disturbing that an Israeli official can't handle views on the Middle East, is pants wetting.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Wed Mar 01, 2017 4:33 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:Source?

Derrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

It's the OP

This is an EVIDENCE-BASED thread

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Wed Mar 01, 2017 6:00 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:Source?

Well, seems as though you ask...

Proof is quickly found with a Google search.
This search

: IMG_20170301_055247.jpg (144.19 KiB) Viewed 2782 times

Is accompanied with the following foot note

: IMG_20170301_055023.jpg (73.6 KiB) Viewed 2782 times

There you go. Corbyn has already started to censor the media.
He's a modern day Franco

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Mar 01, 2017 6:11 am

Damo wrote:Well, seems as though you ask...

Proof is quickly found with a Google search.
This search
IMG_20170301_055247.jpg
Is accompanied with the following foot note

IMG_20170301_055023.jpg
There you go. Corbyn has already started to censor the media.
He's a modern day Franco

Surely you can't be that stupid so i'll assume this is a funny joke. Go get yourself a coffee and think about what you've done.