Please sign the petition!

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Thu Mar 02, 2017 10:28 pm

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Spiral · Post by **Spiral** » Thu Mar 02, 2017 11:06 pm

Obligatory response to remind people of the foolishness of holding a private citizen to the same standard as a nation state for reasons that...forget it. Hopeless endeavour, trying to help you see the sense in things.

Flatline · Post by **Flatline** » Thu Mar 02, 2017 11:11 pm

She lives in a fantasy world,like all these charlatans in the media.

Enola Gay · Post by **Enola Gay** » Thu Mar 02, 2017 11:51 pm

RingoMcCartney, the poor man's Rowls...

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Thu Mar 02, 2017 11:55 pm

Put up or shut up,Woman.

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Fri Mar 03, 2017 12:02 am

A Murdoch publication not being too keen on JK Rowling, that is a surprise.

HatfieldClaret · Post by **HatfieldClaret** » Fri Mar 03, 2017 7:01 am

Still waiting for Sturgeon and Geldoff to puts some up in their homes. They promised on live TV...... must have been an election looming.

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Fri Mar 03, 2017 7:03 am

Signed it, same goes for Yvette Cooper who still hasn't taken a refugee in despite telling everyone else too.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Fri Mar 03, 2017 7:21 am

WTF? I stopped reading after the first paragraph.

That was too much, I SHOULD OF just stopped after the headline.
Scary though that there's at least 50,000 people with stupid ideas and thoughts running through their heads, which the want to try and make happen.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Fri Mar 03, 2017 7:54 am

Signed it ages ago, would love for these virtue signalling celebrities to practice what they preach. Won't ever happen in a million years mind, they much rather the state do it for them and house said people appropriately; which means as far away from then as possible.

Falcon · Post by **Falcon** » Fri Mar 03, 2017 8:23 am

There's some bloody idiots on here

Claretmatt4 · Post by **Claretmatt4** » Fri Mar 03, 2017 8:26 am

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Signed it ages ago, would love for these virtue signalling celebrities to practice what they preach. Won't ever happen in a million years mind, they much rather the state do it for them and house said people appropriately; which means as far away from then as possible.

How many refugees live in your house?

brexit · Post by **brexit** » Fri Mar 03, 2017 8:41 am

I have signed
I have three refugees in my house.

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Fri Mar 03, 2017 8:48 am

I could have sworn that Ringo doesn't want refugees allowed in the country.

But he wants is to sign this petition to live in the country.

It's too early for me. Back to bed.

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Fri Mar 03, 2017 9:00 am

Certainly not. Almost as bad as the House of Lords wanting 3 million Europeans to stay post Brexit even if we have to take our own citizens back from Europe.Anyone thought where x-million Brits are going to stay.
We cannot even house, educate, care for the folk already here.
Before I get slated I would hate to think we would have to ask Europeans to leave because Germany refuses to agree to the present status quo re us there and them here

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Fri Mar 03, 2017 9:03 am

Fecking NIMBYs

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Mar 03, 2017 9:37 am

Enola Gay wrote:RingoMcCartney, the poor man's Rowls...

Can't really argue with that pal. I am a poor man.! Or as my misses would say, a poor excuse for one!

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Mar 03, 2017 9:46 am

Petitions are a waste of time, even the one that let everyone know that we think Trump is a dick got ignored by the govt.

I'd sign one that allowed to JK Rowling et al to keep annoying the people they really, really annoy though

Walton · Post by **Walton** » Fri Mar 03, 2017 9:52 am

Fitting that with a username made up of the two most embarrassing members of the Beatles, RingoMcCartney is the most embarrassing poster on UTC.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Fri Mar 03, 2017 9:56 am

mdd2 wrote: Before I get slated I would hate to think we would have to ask Europeans to leave because Germany refuses to agree to the present status quo re us there and them here

I can't imagine any circumstances under which Germany would refuse. In fact if they can attract / retain a lot of our young talent, scientists, engineers, etc. etc., whilst retaining their own, they'll be delighted.
They also know that we can't afford to send home our EU nationals, so whichever way you look at it, the government's "spat" with the Lords is just stupid.
Firstly it's morally outrageous to use humans as a bargaining tool in a negotiation, but secondly there is no desire on either side for this to happen. (Even government ministers have said that it will be agreed early in negotiations, so their current stance is illogical).

Chobulous · Post by **Chobulous** » Fri Mar 03, 2017 9:57 am

I'll go along with the McCartney bit, but Ringo seems a sound bloke.

LeadBelly · Post by **LeadBelly** » Fri Mar 03, 2017 10:03 am

Ringo's fine & surely J Lennon was the most embarrassing member of The Beatles (albeit a great songwriter and vocalist).

Sausage · Post by **Sausage** » Fri Mar 03, 2017 10:06 am

Can't help wondering how many refugees RingoMcCartney has taken in.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Mar 03, 2017 10:08 am

Firstly it's morally outrageous to use humans as a bargaining tool in a negotiation, but secondly there is no desire on either side for this to happen. (Even government ministers have said that it will be agreed early in negotiations, so their current stance is illogical).

This

The desire to be so Brexitty so that no one could possibly claim they are not being Brexitty enough is turning perfectly sensible politicians into sounding like they are on their way to the Nuremburg rally.

Does anyone really think (apart from those who follow UKIP, le Pen etc) that this won't be sorted in five minutes when we get around to it?

ClaretEngineer · Post by **ClaretEngineer** » Fri Mar 03, 2017 10:09 am

Walton wrote:Fitting that with a username made up of the two most embarrassing members of the Beatles, RingoMcCartney is the most embarrassing poster on UTC.

Take that back.

Ringo was the voice of Thomas.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Mar 03, 2017 10:12 am

That other scouser who did it was better though to be fair

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Fri Mar 03, 2017 10:19 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:This

The desire to be so Brexitty so that no one could possibly claim they are not being Brexitty enough is turning perfectly sensible politicians into sounding like they are on their way to the Nuremburg rally.

Does anyone really think (apart from those who follow UKIP, le Pen etc) that this won't be sorted in five minutes when we get around to it?

What I find most interesting (and worrying) about this, is that it could indeed be agreed in 5 minutes, but there will then be a further 2 years of negotiating.
Mrs May has come out with the totally bizarre statement that No deal is better than a bad deal. But what would this mean for EU workers here, Brits in Europe, and our borders; and where would NO deal leave everybody?? People generally seem to have allowed her to get away with this NO deal stance up to now, but it needs scrutinizing.

Guich · Post by **Guich** » Fri Mar 03, 2017 10:22 am

I think Ringo's point is that there are certain high profile people in the arts who feel the need to tell the nation what it should do. And there are plenty. Michael Sheen's a good actor but I'd rather he carry on acting than try to represent the downtrodden Welsh working class from whence he came, and so would they.I partly blame Bob Geldof (a reasonable singer) and Emma Thompson (a great actor/comedian) for pushing the Brexit vote over the line.

People hate being told what to do and think by others who are unqualified to do so and who have disappeared up their own backsides. We live near a (well to do) family who constantly shout about inequality in sport, the environment, stupid voters, meat-eaters, etc etc etc. But it's the normal family down the road; footy fans, one Tory, one Labour, one Remain, one Brexit (I bet some of you wrongly assume which is which) that has taken in two homeless people.

I think that's the point.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Mar 03, 2017 10:23 am

I think its just political grandstanding.

Only the terminally thick, the ones who still think its 1942 and those who think we can just patrol the channel with the navy to stop anything nasty getting in think "No deal" is worth even considering.

Even an "abysmal deal" will be better than "no deal".

Walton · Post by **Walton** » Fri Mar 03, 2017 10:24 am

ClaretEngineer wrote:Take that back.

Ringo was the voice of Thomas.

Ok, ok, Ringo's work on Thomas the Tank Engine was good, but it was short lived. At around the same period McCartney was releasing shite like We All Stand Together, so Ringo's the better of the 2.

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Fri Mar 03, 2017 10:27 am

nil_desperandum wrote:I can't imagine any circumstances under which Germany would refuse. In fact if they can attract / retain a lot of our young talent, scientists, engineers, etc. etc., whilst retaining their own, they'll be delighted.
They also know that we can't afford to send home our EU nationals, so whichever way you look at it, the government's "spat" with the Lords is just stupid.
Firstly it's morally outrageous to use humans as a bargaining tool in a negotiation, but secondly there is no desire on either side for this to happen. (Even government ministers have said that it will be agreed early in negotiations, so their current stance is illogical).

When May put this to Merkel she refused to do anything until Brexit was triggered.
Never assume anything in politics.
And if Ministers think what they think why are the Lords being so stupid

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Mar 03, 2017 10:27 am

Its what celebrities do, its certainly not worth worrying about it, especially most (if not all) of them do a lot of good work for the causes they feel passionately about.

For example, Gary Lineker pays all his taxes in this country, while the Daily Mail does not.

ClaretEngineer · Post by **ClaretEngineer** » Fri Mar 03, 2017 10:28 am

Walton wrote:Ok, ok, Ringo's work on Thomas the Tank Engine was good, but it was short lived. At around the same period McCartney was releasing shite like We All Stand Together, so Ringo's the better of the 2.

I agree with the rest of your sentiment.

I have never cared much for the Beetles.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Mar 03, 2017 10:29 am

When May put this to Merkel she refused to do anything until Brexit was triggered.
Never assume anything in politics.

Do you genuinely think that if we did guarantee the rights of EU citizens right now, then the EU wouldn't do the same back?

I'll stick you in the "its still 1942" column from now on I think.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Fri Mar 03, 2017 10:30 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:I think its just political grandstanding.

Only the terminally thick, the ones who still think its 1942 and those who think we can just patrol the channel with the navy to stop anything nasty getting in think "No deal" is worth even considering.

Even an "abysmal deal" will be better than "no deal".

But surely "no deal" -(by definition) -means we stay as we are and our relationship with the EU remains unchanged? (Mrs May is too thick to get this , and the opposition are incapable of / or unwilling to ask her for full clarification, and hold her to account.)

Guich · Post by **Guich** » Fri Mar 03, 2017 10:33 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:Its what celebrities do, its certainly not worth worrying about it, especially most (if not all) of them do a lot of good work for the causes they feel passionately about.

For example, Gary Lineker pays all his taxes in this country, while the Daily Mail does not.

I agree they shouldn't be worth worrying about. But celebrities rarely have breadth of view and always underestimate how they can negatively influence the campaign they support.

It all started with John Lennon writing 'Imagine no possessions' on his grand piano in his massive mansion in the Home Counties

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Mar 03, 2017 10:34 am

No, because we've left.

"No deal" would essentially be (this is my reading of it) WTO rules on all types of trade, and I haven't a clue about travel, immigration and everything else.

"No deal" would be a disaster, and the only other realistic option is that court case in Dublin in which people are arguing that you can decide to pull out of triggering Article 50 at anytime means we'd stay in the EU.

That wouldn't solve anything though, as we've voted to leave (unless massive change of opinion, particularly in England) so its back to whatever deal we get being better than "No deal".

Firthy · Post by **Firthy** » Fri Mar 03, 2017 10:35 am

If the 50,000 idiots who signed it agreed to do the same thing then it would have far more affect.

Really can't be doing with these do gooders who try and tell others how to run their lives.

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Fri Mar 03, 2017 10:35 am

All 27 countries have to agree and I'm afraid history tells you that you can never be certain.
I do agree with you Lancaster that the Union is likely to agree with the present status quo and I also agree that the present lack of clarity is a worry to those who are working here and even more worrying to those who are here and not working. I think it is disappointing that Merkel et al didn't sign up to this as soon as May suggested it.
You can stick me where you like although even 1942 is a tad early.
Try pre Maastricht and Lisbon which is where it all started to go wrong

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Mar 03, 2017 10:36 am

Kinda missing the point, the money and time given by say, JK Rowling to good causes is worth to immigrants more than her taking in an immigrant into her house to keep people like Ringo happy.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Mar 03, 2017 10:38 am

But hang on, this is the undemocratic EU we are talking about? All having to agree? Surely its just a tool of German expansion plans for Europe?

Being serious for a minute though, what do EU countries get out of not agreeing to it?

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Fri Mar 03, 2017 10:38 am

WTO aint that bad a deal. Given the devaluation in the £ most of our goods would be cheaper than pre Brexit £ value even taking into account the WTO tariffs.
A bad deal is where we would be worse off than no deal, by definition surely?

JohnMcGreal · Post by **JohnMcGreal** » Fri Mar 03, 2017 10:38 am

nil_desperandum wrote:But surely "no deal" -(by definition) -means we stay as we are and our relationship with the EU remains unchanged? (Mrs May is too thick to get this , and the opposition are incapable of / or unwilling to ask her for full clarification, and hold her to account.)

Once Article 50 is triggered, we will be out of the EU in 2 years time (unless the EU states agree to extend this). So if we have no deal at the end of those 2 years, we will be out, and in the absolute worst possible circumstances. It will be a disaster for this country.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Mar 03, 2017 10:39 am

Sausage wrote:Can't help wondering how many refugees RingoMcCartney has taken in.

None. But then again I'm not a ivory towered, lecturing millionairess am I!

Which is unfortunate cos I'd be happy to keep the millions but not the hypocrisy

Guich · Post by **Guich** » Fri Mar 03, 2017 10:39 am

Yes I see that Lancaster, and JK Rowling probably has more right to speak to/for the nation than most given her background. It's the likes of Lilly Allen that annoy people more.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Mar 03, 2017 10:40 am

It isn't that good at all Mdd.

Thats why people want trade deals

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Mar 03, 2017 10:42 am

Again, Lilly Allen (though I don't like her as a singer) is the same. The benefit of what they do for the causes they are passionate about is worth far more than a symbolic gesture.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Mar 03, 2017 10:43 am

Walton wrote:Fitting that with a username made up of the two most embarrassing members of the Beatles, RingoMcCartney is the most embarrassing poster on UTC.

Playing the man. Not the ball. Good effort mate.

You're not Kevin Ball are you!?

Guich · Post by **Guich** » Fri Mar 03, 2017 10:45 am

Fair enough Lancaster. But I just wish they could do the good and keep quiet.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Mar 03, 2017 10:52 am

Again, load do, but its just the ones who comment about stuff that needs commenting about that get it in the neck from people who would prefer to keep that sort of thing quiet.

Not aimed at you btw, or anyone on this thread, but I suppose its like Comic Relief, its very, very, very hard to sit through the serious bits and not feel the need to do something. If you are a celebrity, then you can do something more to help.