Why can't we win away?

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sun Mar 05, 2017 12:06 am

We have the most defensive based midfield in the league but still concede the most shots and crosses.

Maybe time to go more attacking with footballers who like the ball rather than players who run around but do nothing constructive. We can't concede anymore chances against us than today.

claretdj · Post by **claretdj** » Sun Mar 05, 2017 12:20 am

Papabendi wrote:We can spin it any way we like. It's a terrible record and if it continues it will end our time at this level whether it is this season or next. So something will need to change... and my suggestion is Dyche's style of football at this level is the main issue.

how many balls did Boyd/Brady put into the box. Answer zero!

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sun Mar 05, 2017 1:49 am

If we had the same number of points but equally gained in home and away games would people be happier? Our away form is terrible and the performances in general haven't warranted many more points than we've gained. But by becoming almost impossible to beat at home we've given ourselves a great platform to build on next season. Hopefully we'll get the away win hoodoo off our backs before then.

agreenwood · Post by **agreenwood** » Sun Mar 05, 2017 7:50 am

It's a good thing that we have Champions League home form, because there's currently a real possibility that we'll not manage to better Derby's away points tally the year they accumulated the famous 11 points.

There are 6 away games left. We'll find it very difficult next week (no shame in that), which takes us to Sunderland. Lose that and you can't see us picking up anything in the last 4 away games.

Claretforever · Post by **Claretforever** » Sun Mar 05, 2017 8:20 am

Highest number of long balls - 2,222

Second lowest number of crosses - 451

Third lowest number of shots - 270

If you don't get balls into the box you don't score. The long balls often get us the ball higher up the pitch, but it takes a second to control a ball from height and the defence time to set, so it doesn't necessarily lead to a shot which is obvious from the stats.

Swansea have one of the highest cross stats with 596 (5th), with Southampton top having 686.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sun Mar 05, 2017 8:28 am

agreenwood wrote:It's a good thing that we have Champions League home form, because there's currently a real possibility that we'll not manage to better Derby's away points tally the year they accumulated the famous 11 points.

There are 6 away games left. We'll find it very difficult next week (no shame in that), which takes us to Sunderland. Lose that and you can't see us picking up anything in the last 4 away games.

Boro?

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Sun Mar 05, 2017 8:57 am

agreenwood wrote:It's a good thing that we have Champions League home form, because there's currently a real possibility that we'll not manage to better Derby's away points tally the year they accumulated the famous 11 points.

There are 6 away games left. We'll find it very difficult next week (no shame in that), which takes us to Sunderland. Lose that and you can't see us picking up anything in the last 4 away games.

So?

We're staying up, who cares if we win an away game?

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Sun Mar 05, 2017 9:46 am

I do think it is a bit suspect to say "thank god we're so good at home, we're relegation fodder away" because its no truer than "what a pity our away firm lets us down because we'd be competing for the Champions League". The reality is it balances out.

Is our style a problem? Debatable. It probably doesn't help. On the other hand its not so different to the system and set up Leicester used last season irw that Roy Hodgson has used elsewhere to great success on the road in the premier league. And given the charge is that the sydtrt stops us reaching our potential on the road, its only fair to say its the set up away we used successfully in the second half of last season.

As I posted above, i do think the very tough start to the season we had on the road knocked our confidence on the road and we have never quite recovered. I think its very easy for supporters on a messageboard to underestimate how important a factor it is.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Sun Mar 05, 2017 10:14 am

You could see after ten minutes that we were going to get overrun and we did nothing to address it. We constantly give the ball away and invite pressure onto the back 4. Still have no outlet in terms of pace out wide.

Think we will stay up but our mentality and tactics need to be seriously looked at over the summer.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Sun Mar 05, 2017 10:34 am

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:You could see after ten minutes that we were going to get overrun and we did nothing to address it. We constantly give the ball away and invite pressure onto the back 4. Still have no outlet in terms of pace out wide.

Think we will stay up but our mentality and tactics need to be seriously looked at over the summer.

I'd be interested to know if our possession stats are materially different home and away. My guess is not. Which leads me to conclude we arent much worse at retaining the ball away than at home. Similarly, we have the same amount of pace out wide home and away.

It is then, essentially a matter of mentality. Tactically, we'll continue to refine our approach and our system home and away. But overall, this season is going absolutely fine. Even away from home, we've not lost by more than one goal in the last 3 months, so it is a question of fine margins.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Sun Mar 05, 2017 10:43 am

It is not as though we have been very unlucky away. We've got what we've deserved and have been rank bad poor in the most part. We have to set the team up properly according to who we are playing,take a risk and change tactics if it's not working. I cannot understand why we set up as a 442 yesterday from the outset.

ashtonlongsider · Post by **ashtonlongsider** » Sun Mar 05, 2017 11:17 am

I think there was a period this season when we were getting less predictable. However SD keeps returning to the 4-4-2 formation which to me is a nonsense at places like Swansea. As soon as I saw the formation I knew we would be up against it.In SD's defence, he is short of midfield options at present but if fit would Defour have started, I'm not too sure. Think away we need to be playing a 4-5-1 system.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Sun Mar 05, 2017 11:24 am

ashtonlongsider wrote:I think there was a period this season when we were getting less predictable. However SD keeps returning to the 4-4-2 formation which to me is a nonsense at places like Swansea. As soon as I saw the formation I knew we would be up against it.In SD's defence, he is short of midfield options at present but if fit would Defour have started, I'm not too sure. Think away we need to be playing a 4-5-1 system.

Weve been a hell of a lot more competitive away from home playing 442 than we were playing 451 (away results include 3-0 at Leicester, 3-1 at Southampton and 4-0 at WBA). Our second yesterday was all about the fact we had 2 strikers on the pitch, and indeed my impression from the radio was that we became far more under the cosh when we went 4-5-1 for the last 10 minutes.

442 is not the problem. The problem is the execution at times.

ashtonlongsider · Post by **ashtonlongsider** » Sun Mar 05, 2017 11:28 am

claretspice wrote:Weve been a hell of a lot more competitive away from home playing 442 than we were playing 451 (away results include 3-0 at Leicester, 3-1 at Southampton and 4-0 at WBA). Our second yesterday was all about the fact we had 2 strikers on the pitch, and indeed my impression from the radio was that we became far more under the cosh when we went 4-5-1 for the last 10 minutes.

442 is not the problem. The problem is the execution at times.

Spice, that's your opinion but we'll beg to differ.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Sun Mar 05, 2017 12:04 pm

ashtonlongsider wrote:Spice, that's your opinion but we'll beg to differ.

Yep, fair play. Although the fact our results have been better on the road playing 442 is a matter of fact rather than opinion.

ashtonlongsider · Post by **ashtonlongsider** » Sun Mar 05, 2017 12:16 pm

claretspice wrote:Yep, fair play. Although the fact our results have been better on the road playing 442 is a matter of fact rather than opinion.

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Spice, on the road we have picked up 2 points from 13 games, thats the only fact I'm looking at. Something needs to change.

agreenwood · Post by **agreenwood** » Sun Mar 05, 2017 12:16 pm

I think the issue with our away form being so bad is that it puts a lot of pressure on the home form. We've handled that pressure very well so far this season and every team generally is more reliant on home matches for points, but it's not ideal to be SO reliant on home matches.

Enola Gay · Post by **Enola Gay** » Sun Mar 05, 2017 12:18 pm

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:You could see after ten minutes that we were going to get overrun and we did nothing to address it. We constantly give the ball away and invite pressure onto the back 4. Still have no outlet in terms of pace out wide.

Think we will stay up but our mentality and tactics need to be seriously looked at over the summer.

Stopping endless crosses from flying into the box might be a good start, especially when the opposition have players like Llorente on the end of them.

KefkaClaret · Post by **KefkaClaret** » Sun Mar 05, 2017 12:20 pm

We can't play 4-5-1 with Gray being the lone striker, those last ten minutes is all the evidence you need.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Sun Mar 05, 2017 12:23 pm

I did not have a clue what Lowton was doing yesterday. He's had a very good recent spell but he was back to his early season away form yesterday (Chelsea, Leicester, Southampton etc away).

What was he trying to do backing off like that I do not know - you would only do that if they had Arnold from different strokes up front !

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Sun Mar 05, 2017 12:55 pm

KefkaClaret wrote:We can't play 4-5-1 with Gray being the lone striker, those last ten minutes is all the evidence you need.

It's not just that. We don't have the other players for it at the moment either.

It could be an option when Guddy and Defour get back fit.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sun Mar 05, 2017 1:56 pm

other than Gray we have no pace in our team whatsoever - until that is addressed we will struggle away from home at this level

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sun Mar 05, 2017 1:58 pm

and if you think that Narsingh (who destroyed us) cost Swansea 4 million and Brady cost us 13 million you can see how diabolical our scouting/player recruitment is

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Sun Mar 05, 2017 2:58 pm

agreenwood wrote:I think the issue with our away form being so bad is that it puts a lot of pressure on the home form. We've handled that pressure very well so far this season and every team generally is more reliant on home matches for points, but it's not ideal to be SO reliant on home matches.

I get this concern, but to some extent our comfortable position now offsets that extra pressure. Arguably, it was a cause for concern 12 weeks ago but we've dealt with it. You can create an argument that we thrived on the intensity that pressure brought. It isnt ideal, but this unbalanced record has thus far delivered us a far more comfortable season than any of us dared imagine in August.

As for our record, i think we were averaging a 3 goal defeat through the period we played 451 away from home and managed one goal, from a ludicrously soft penalty at 3-0 down. Since we returned to 442, weve picked up 2 draws but also competed far better - the only game lost by more than one goal was at Stoke, and we've twice been denied draws by last minute winners that probably shouldnt have stood.

It isnt just this season, we also competed much better 2 years ago playing this same system too, and one of the anomolies this season has been that we havent picked up the points away that we did 2 years ago, despite being a better team. Perhaps one subtle difference 2 years ago is that Ings was better at dropping into midfield, both defensively and in terms of starting counter attacks, than any of our current team, so our set up was a tad more flexible. The best of the 3 is Barnes, and perhaps the fact our worst away performance in a while came in his absence supports this theory.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Sun Mar 05, 2017 3:01 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:and if you think that Narsingh (who destroyed us) cost Swansea 4 million and Brady cost us 13 million you can see how diabolical our scouting/player recruitment is

Debatable. We knew about Narsingh and apparently had an interest. He does look a talent, and i can imagine he might have improved us (see Grosicki last week) but there may well be other reasons, like wages, why Narsingh didnt want to come to burnley, and there might be other reasons why we might have dropped our interest. Its too simplistic to say "he looked good yesterday, i knew we should have signed him".

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Sun Mar 05, 2017 3:03 pm

Because we dont attack in numbers and our midfield don't get the ball out wide get crosses in and score

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Sun Mar 05, 2017 3:38 pm

27 games, 31 points. Even if we don't get anything from the remaining 6 away games, we will still do enough in the 5 home games to be playing Premier League again next season. (I'd love us to finish with at least 40 points: 3 wins or 2 wins and 3 draws it's not against the odds).

We had two big things against us yesterday, a number of injuries and a suspension weakened midfield and Tom Heaton was unavailable.

We will win a few away next season - and still be strong at home.

UTC

3putt · Post by **3putt** » Sun Mar 05, 2017 3:41 pm

Has to be psychological to a degree. We are definitely punching above our weight at home, but probably should have done a little better away.

The fact is we probably have one of the weakest squads in the division and what we have achieved is remarkable so far, but I can't see it being repeated next year without strengthening the team. We have a 2 or 3 regular starters who probably would not get near the first 11 in any other team in the Prem.

I also think we are tactically too negative away from home, apart from Gray we don't give the opposition much to worry about. Surely Brady should be deployed as an out and out attacking player, he looked lost yesterday in his role and offered nothing to the team.

Royboyclaret · Post by **Royboyclaret** » Sun Mar 05, 2017 3:48 pm

Four or five draws may well prove to be enough but settling into that mindset is a dangerous tactic to employ.

May be worth a timely reminder from Mike Garlick to the manager that each league place is worth £2million to the club.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun Mar 05, 2017 3:56 pm

It's like I said earlier in the thread - it's psychology/mentality.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Mar 06, 2017 10:42 am

The answer is simple, we don't try to win a game away from home. We lack real intent, the defensive line never moves from our own box so the gap between the defence and attack is massive giving the midfield far too much work to do to provide quality in the final third. Ultimately when you ''park the bus'' you give up the territory and possession, the more men you have behind the ball the less likely you will score and the more likely you will concede. The subs against Swansea were disgraceful and negative, I'm all for parking the bus to hang onto a win in the final 5 minutes, but subbing on a defender, changing shape to timewaste and not try and score with 20 minutes left is pathetic. Swansea had 72% of the ball, Yes Swansea not Barca. The gameplan is just garbage from the start, when you are playing against a striker like Llorente, you know he isn't going to cause any problems in behind but is a monster in the air, why on earth would you not push the defensive line up the pitch, press the midfield and compact the game. Instead we parked the bus in our own half meaning Llorente spent most of the game stood in our penalty box waiting for cross after cross it's almost inevitable we'll concede. Make Llorente useless, make him have to win headers higher up the pitch and work for goals, all he had to do all afternoon is stand in the penalty box and do what he does best, attack crosses. Just mind baffling. Ok, we maybe haven't got the quality players of Swansea to retain the ball like they do but 28% possession is an absolute farce and shows us up as negative. Zero pressure on the ball, the wide players are like fullbacks and have to run the length of the pitch to provide a cross. It's about time we stopped playing panic football and started actually providing service to the front men, b*llocks to this defending lark, we shipped 3 goals anyway.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Mar 06, 2017 10:44 am

it's all system and tactics, 28% of the ball is not down to simply psycology.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Mar 06, 2017 10:49 am

claretspice wrote:Debatable. We knew about Narsingh and apparently had an interest. He does look a talent, and i can imagine he might have improved us (see Grosicki last week) but there may well be other reasons, like wages, why Narsingh didnt want to come to burnley, and there might be other reasons why we might have dropped our interest. Its too simplistic to say "he looked good yesterday, i knew we should have signed him".

I'm not sure if you watched the game but no wide player would have improved us. You really think Narsingh would have made a good 2nd fullback? His team had 72% of the ball, he never moved out of our half. He won't have an easier game all season, he stood on the byline waiting for pass after pass from their midfield to whip cross after cross in. How many times did we work the ball wide in their half?

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Mon Mar 06, 2017 10:55 am

Don't disagree with any of that KRBFC. We are on the back foot all the time because the defensive line is far too deep. Keane and Mee are relatively quick for centre halves too so should be capable of playing higher up and sweeping behind (particularly against Llorente). I also reckon Barnes was a big miss as spice commented on. He provides better link play behind Gray and far more movement than Vokes. The gap between midfield and strikers was just too big.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Mon Mar 06, 2017 10:58 am

I agree KR. But also we don't seem to have any pace to either break away or even beat a man.

The amount if times it looks a race between our player and theirs down the line, we check back to pass infield.

Mr Boyd on Saturday messed up a 20 yard sideways pass to Brady ( went out of play )
Then a 10 yard pass back to Lowton ( I think ) it resulted in them breaking.

If we can't make simple passes to feet, we won't be swinging in pinpoint crosses to the penalty spot on the run under pressure.

Don't get beat is the order of the day when away. I can't think of a single away game where I have thought we deserved anything but defeat other than arguably Hull.

We try and "hang on in" away and that's a recepie for, conceeding late goals, bad decisions costing you and being "unlucky"

We were a post/crossbar on Saturday off conceeding 4/5 IMO an Swansea would have been rampant at 2-0.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Mar 06, 2017 11:21 am

MACCA wrote:I agree KR. But also we don't seem to have any pace to either break away or even beat a man.

The amount if times it looks a race between our player and theirs down the line, we check back to pass infield.

Mr Boyd on Saturday messed up a 20 yard sideways pass to Brady ( went out of play )
Then a 10 yard pass back to Lowton ( I think ) it resulted in them breaking.

If we can't make simple passes to feet, we won't be swinging in pinpoint crosses to the penalty spot on the run under pressure.

Don't get beat is the order of the day when away. I can't think of a single away game where I have thought we deserved anything but defeat other than arguably Hull.

We try and "hang on in" away and that's a recepie for, conceeding late goals, bad decisions costing you and being "unlucky"

We were a post/crossbar on Saturday off conceeding 4/5 IMO an Swansea would have been rampant at 2-0.

We shouldn't be going into the games with this ''hang on in'' mentality, we are better than alot of sides in this league. We are capable of giving teams a game, we have players to pass the ball. Our defence away from home isn't good enough to ''hang on in'' for 90 minutes, we have all seen this many times over the season. By hanging on in, we're starving the strikers of service and practically asking to be beat. Why are we giving the home side momentum, the crowd get into it and pressure builds resulting in us going 1 behind then we have to react.... Why not react from kick off and get at teams, we're not a non league side away at Man City, it's Burnley v Swansea, a team we're still ahead of in the league. We have never won a PL game from a losing position under Dyche yet we set up away from home to wait to concede. It's just bizarre. I don't want to come across as negative and anti Burnley I'm just frustrated watching the same negative cr*p every away game and the same pattern of play. I raised a point the other week about the astonishing number of late goals we concede and we concede another because we're trying to timewaste and scrap out a draw with 3 centre halves on the pitch. I don't see a real gameplan that's going to win us games regardless of players at our disposal and that's the most worrying thing heading into next season. The 4 in midfield have far to much work to do, they're having to constantly defend on the edge of our own box and then expected to provide service to the front. If they weren't so deep in the first place they'd have more time on the ball to really pick out quality in the final third, non of this hurried panic long ball clearances because when Barton/Hendrick pick up the ball they're on the edge of our box surrounded by opposition players.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Mar 06, 2017 11:32 am

MACCA wrote:I agree KR. But also we don't seem to have any pace to either break away or even beat a man.

The amount if times it looks a race between our player and theirs down the line, we check back to pass infield.

Mr Boyd on Saturday messed up a 20 yard sideways pass to Brady ( went out of play )
Then a 10 yard pass back to Lowton ( I think ) it resulted in them breaking.

If we can't make simple passes to feet, we won't be swinging in pinpoint crosses to the penalty spot on the run under pressure.

Don't get beat is the order of the day when away. I can't think of a single away game where I have thought we deserved anything but defeat other than arguably Hull.

We try and "hang on in" away and that's a recepie for, conceeding late goals, bad decisions costing you and being "unlucky"

We were a post/crossbar on Saturday off conceeding 4/5 IMO an Swansea would have been rampant at 2-0.

I agree we don't have the pace to play on the break, so why are we sat so deep with no pace to counter? I feel sorry for Gray tbh, he's hung out to dry constantly and is constantly criticised on here because of it. Multiple times he brought the ball down well in their half but what next? he was surrounded by 5 Swansea men with no team mate within 60 yards.

NRC · Post by **NRC** » Mon Mar 06, 2017 11:52 am

ablueclaret wrote:SD isn't a tactician he's a strategist.

This!

The rest of you are talking tactics, whereas the question needs answering in terms of strategy. We made Swansea look like Barcelona because we wouldn't alter our strategy.

And while many talk about possession stats, I think this is a bit of a red herring as its not that different away or at home. More telling for me is pass quantity and accuracy. Haven't seen it for this game but we typically languish in the low-mid 60 percents for accuracy. I suspect it was in the 50s or 40s. The result of that is you're giving the ball away, and Swansea distribute it wide, which stretched our midfield, and Boyd/Brady didn't deal with it in the roles they're specifically given

So to answer the question for Saturday specifically
- wrong strategy
- player failure within the system
- tactical ineptness within the game

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon Mar 06, 2017 11:56 am

KRBFC wrote:The answer is simple, we don't try to win a game away from home. We lack real intent, the defensive line never moves from our own box so the gap between the defence and attack is massive giving the midfield far too much work to do to provide quality in the final third. Ultimately when you ''park the bus'' you give up the territory and possession, the more men you have behind the ball the less likely you will score and the more likely you will concede. The subs against Swansea were disgraceful and negative, I'm all for parking the bus to hang onto a win in the final 5 minutes, but subbing on a defender, changing shape to timewaste and not try and score with 20 minutes left is pathetic. Swansea had 72% of the ball, Yes Swansea not Barca. The gameplan is just garbage from the start, when you are playing against a striker like Llorente, you know he isn't going to cause any problems in behind but is a monster in the air, why on earth would you not push the defensive line up the pitch, press the midfield and compact the game. Instead we parked the bus in our own half meaning Llorente spent most of the game stood in our penalty box waiting for cross after cross it's almost inevitable we'll concede. Make Llorente useless, make him have to win headers higher up the pitch and work for goals, all he had to do all afternoon is stand in the penalty box and do what he does best, attack crosses. Just mind baffling. Ok, we maybe haven't got the quality players of Swansea to retain the ball like they do but 28% possession is an absolute farce and shows us up as negative. Zero pressure on the ball, the wide players are like fullbacks and have to run the length of the pitch to provide a cross. It's about time we stopped playing panic football and started actually providing service to the front men, b*llocks to this defending lark, we shipped 3 goals anyway.

We've employed those tactics at home with great success though. Liverpool being a prime example.

Walton · Post by **Walton** » Mon Mar 06, 2017 12:11 pm

Spijed wrote:We've employed those tactics at home with great success though. Liverpool being a prime example.

Not true, certainly in relation to what KRBFC actually wrote.

Liverpool didn't really play with a central striker, and definitely not one with any real aerial prowess.
That meant their crosses were useless.

Swansea had legitimately one of the best target men in the world over the last 10 years to aim for. He absolutely owned us.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon Mar 06, 2017 12:17 pm

Walton wrote:Not true, certainly in relation to what KRBFC actually wrote.

Liverpool didn't really play with a central striker, and definitely not one with any real aerial prowess.
That meant their crosses were useless.

Swansea had legitimately one of the best target men in the world over the last 10 years to aim for. He absolutely owned us.

We kept Costa very quiet and defended very well against Chelsea also.

In addition Lukaku, Benteke etc. have also had poor games against us.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Mar 06, 2017 12:18 pm

Spijed wrote:We've employed those tactics at home with great success though. Liverpool being a prime example.

Walton has already answered it but I'd like to add, we were also in a winning position pretty early and at home. I've no bother in parking the bus when in a 2-0 lead against a side like Liverpool. We were playing Swansea and the game was level. This thread is about away form, not home form. The results at home have been unreal, away from home they have been terrible. You may think we win games at home playing like that but I don't think we do, the one thing that remains is we still can't win away from home and we don't look capable of doing anytime soon. Surely that indicates a change needs to happen somewhere, can we not adapt away from home? do we have to play the same system home/away?

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Mar 06, 2017 12:20 pm

Spijed wrote:We kept Costa very quiet and defended very well against Chelsea also.

In addition Lukaku, Benteke etc. have also had poor games against us.

We got beat 3-0 off Chelsea and it could have been 10.

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Mon Mar 06, 2017 12:34 pm

away results haven't been terrible. sure, we haven't won but we haven't been tubbed, when we lose its by the odd goal.

only poor finishing really cost us victory against hull last week, we created enough to win and were the better team on the day.

quite frankly, it doesn't matter whether we pick up points at home or away, as long as we pick them up, which we are doing. practically everyone at the bottom has a crap away record.

the thing i do have an issue with is dyche's tendency to bring defensive subs on when we're drawing games. there's not much difference between 1 point and 0 so i'd rather we kept going for the win. hull was a prime example, we invited them on in the last 10 mins and it could easily have cost us.

i don't think we're setting up to hang on though, certainly not from the outset.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Mar 06, 2017 12:43 pm

quoonbeatz wrote:away results haven't been terrible. sure, we haven't won but we haven't been tubbed, when we lose its by the odd goal.

only poor finishing really cost us victory against hull last week, we created enough to win and were the better team on the day.

quite frankly, it doesn't matter whether we pick up points at home or away, as long as we pick them up, which we are doing. practically everyone at the bottom has a crap away record.

the thing i do have an issue with is dyche's tendency to bring defensive subs on when we're drawing games. there's not much difference between 1 point and 0 so i'd rather we kept going for the win. hull was a prime example, we invited them on in the last 10 mins and it could easily have cost us.

i don't think we're setting up to hang on though, certainly not from the outset.

We got tubbed at Leicester 3-0, Chelsea 3-0, WBA 4-0, Southampton 3-0.
Saturdays game was a tubbing on the pattern of the game, we were never really in it. The scoreline flattered us remarkably. 28% possession and 6 shots compared to Swansea's 24 shots suggests otherwise. No team in world football who is pressing the game, trying to win ends up with 28% possession.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Mon Mar 06, 2017 12:51 pm

We scored at Southampton. The ref gave us a penalty that never was.
Tried to even up missing the one at 0-0.

But yes we were awful that day. It could have been 6.

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Mon Mar 06, 2017 12:51 pm

KRBFC wrote:We got tubbed at Leicester 3-0, Chelsea 3-0, WBA 4-0, Southampton 3-0.

the most recent of which was in november. performances on the road have improved from what i've seen, as have scorelines.

since WBA we've lost away 2-0, 1-0, 2-1, 2-1, 2-1, 2-1, 3-2 and that includes trips to spurs, city and arsenal.

i only saw MOTD highlights of saturday's game and although swansea were clearly well on top, they still only beat us in the last minute by a goal that should have been disallowed (yes i know we shouldn't have had a penalty).

point being, even though we were apparently awful, we weren't out of the game, indeed if we'd played well, we'd probably have won it.

i'm not claiming we've been on the road or anything but we're not far away from where we need to be.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Mon Mar 06, 2017 12:51 pm

quoonbeatz wrote:
i don't think we're setting up to hang on though, certainly not from the outset.

No and neither do we.......

don't try to win a game away from home

park the bus

panic football

KefkaClaret · Post by **KefkaClaret** » Mon Mar 06, 2017 12:53 pm

We were lucky it wasn't worse against Swansea, woodwork 4 times and 2 cleared off the line.

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Mon Mar 06, 2017 12:54 pm

KefkaClaret wrote:We were lucky it wasn't worse against Swansea, woodwork 4 times and 2 cleared off the line.

whats lucky about them not hitting the target/getting the ball past our players?

*wink smiley*